One of the neat things about running a blog is the fact that I can focus on something to the degree that I choose to focus on it.
Recently, much to my surprise, I found out that someone has apparently confronted a nephew of John K. Jenkins, the pastor of First Baptist Church of Glenarden on the Kettering. And the perpetrator said some pretty rough things. The bull necked security folks have apparently decided that I may have been the perp. Would you care to tell me why they thought I might be the perp? Or is this an attempt to besmirch me and the site?
And you people thought I was being self-centered when I reported that the security weenies at First Baptist Church of Glenarden on the Kettering had been watching me the last time I went there.
These people don’t care about you. They are interested only in keeping the museum, mausoleum, and memorial going. They care only about making sure that John K. Jenkins, the pastor of First Baptist Church of Glenarden on the Kettering stays in the limelight and in the big dog wannabe seat.
As I said in a response to a reader, to my knowledge I have never seen the nephew of John K. Jenkins, the pastor of First Baptist Church of Glenarden on the Kettering. I don’t know where the kid shops. I don’t know what his mom looks like. I don’t know anything about any of them. More than that, I am not interested in any of them.
John K. Jenkins, the pastor of First Baptist Church of Glenarden on the Kettering is a pulpit pimp. I know he’s a pimp. And the longer I get to post comments on him, the more people around me will know he is a pimp. I suspect HE knows he’s a pulpit pimp. And I even suspect that as more and more people figure this out, and as they begin to understand how much damage he has done to them and their families, someone may develop an “I Was Pimped by JKJ” recovery and support group. I’d be glad to design and sell the tee shirt.
I guarantee you, I have better things to do than threaten some sixteen year old. As I said in the previous comment, this site is more fun than a human being should be allowed to have. It’s also quite legal and quite safe. I wouldn’t dream of jeopardizing it, my honor, or my freedom on some half-pint pulpit pimp.
Let’s see what happens as people begin to see just how twisted the pastor of First Baptist Church of Glenarden on the Kettering is. Let’s see if he has the testicular mass to stand on what he has been saying and doing or if he will fold like a rickety lawn chair.
Hmmm. Having people upset with him might make it difficult to actually enjoy the money and comfort he has extorted from the members of his clu- er church.
Its no wonder these people have written you e-mails telling you that they hate you (eventhough theyre supposed to be Christians). Theyll believe any rumor or idea as truth without actually investigating it. Its just like Scripture. They believe what they hear from someones mouth and never investigate for themselves.
Did Jesus ever hate anyone? (just asking)
‘Let’s see if he has the testicular mass ….’ Hmm, is that a godly term? Just so you’ll know, i dont support him or his ‘ministry.’
(MN: Sure. It’s similar to girding your loins. Didn’t you ever see it in Hezekiah 4:17, Amoco 32:6, or Helicobacter 9:42? )
I was unaware that words such as “testicular”, which is a technical term describing a body part, was “unGodly”??
I wonder, is “glossolalia”, which contains the technical term for “tongue”, an unGodly term as well??
And don’t forget the “bosom of Abraham”. Now that one MUST rate as ungodly for sure!
Gary V
Straw man arguments arent necessary, the essence of my remark is clear. Mlvn, i get that it was used-sarcasm unec. I just made a comment, thats all.
A strawman argument is one in which an opponent’s argument is misrepresented in order to achieve a facile dismantling. I didn’t do that. I made a little joke.
OH! l the book of Hezekiah, that was always a good read. And, by the way, I am more than sure he will be able to still enjoy his ill-gotten gains as much as he has. After all, he could just turn this around and play a “Blessed are you when people speak ill of you, for so did they do the prophets before you.” (paraphrase of Christopher). Maybe he will convince people from such a thing that he is a prophet of GOD! On the other hand, maybe you should not allow this comment. It may give people an idea…
I pray that you didn’t threaten the nephew, for if you did, it would make others question your motivations for this site. Not only that, it would prove that you are totally losing it…
(MN: You just listed a couple of really good reasons why I wouldn’t. And we won’t even talk about all of the Bible commands to eschew violence, nastiness, and general carnality. Again, I’ve never seen the bozo’s nephew, sister, brother, uncle, or any other relationship. And I’m having way too much fun to
You don’t have to pray that I didn’t attack the young man. I definitely did not. But the more I think about the story, the more it really seems like an effort to call this site into doubt. Could it be that the site is having more of an impact than I might have thought likely? )
seekerman - Why do you have to “pray” that Melvin didn’t do something that he’s told you he didn’t do and nobody can honestly affirm he ever did?
I mean if you want to have any level of doubt about any of the statements that have been made, why are you not praying that nobody ever actually yelled at the kid?
You seem to totally believe someone yelled at the kid, but you are not fully certain whether it was Melvin, but you really hope he didn’t.
Why is the assertion of the kid being yelled at more believable to you than Melvin’s claim of innocence? Your choice of things to pray for shows you believe the kid was yelled at, but you’re not certain about Melvin’s claim of innocence.
Melvin, you know most folks are not willing to warn saints about a pimp. They claimed it must be you, because most people are still falling for the “touch not the anointed” scam and would never call Jenkins what he is, a pimp.
I don’t think they mentioned your name as a calculated attempt to go after you and this blog, they just don’t know many people who actually are willing to call Jenkins a pimp.
(MN: So is this my fifteen minutes of fame? Dang! I was hoping it would be a little more fun than being falsely accused of shouting at/punching the 16 year-old nephew of a local pulpit pimp. )
The person punched the kid too? Whoever did that is just sick!
(MN: Some say he punched the kid, some say he just railed at him. But remeber, if he disagrees with John K. Jenkins, the pastor of First Baptist Church of Glenarden on the Kettering, that person has to pure evil personified. Of course he’s going to be willing to punch a kid. He probably drowns puppies and throws cute and cuddly little kittens to hyped up pit bulls as well. )
Yeah, I said “pray,” and? I personally don’t know Melvin, so when all is said and done, I really don’t know what the man is capable of doing, or not doing. I’ve never met him, nor even spoken to him on the phone, so why should I just accept the fact that he didn’t do what others claim he did.
With that said, do I intuitively feel that Melvin did such a thing? NO I DO NOT BELIEVE MELVIN WOULD DO SUCH A THING, but I’m not sure that he didn’t either.
This isn’t put out there to disrespect, or besmirch Melvin, for again, I do believe the accusations to be false, HOWEVER, I can’t say that for sure.
This is why I can only say what I felt, which is that I pray that Melvin is telling the truth, and that those other folks were lying.
No disrespect intended.
Why accept what others said occurred as ever having occurred at all then? Have you spoken with any of them on the phone? Ever met any of them?
So why not pray that nobody ever yelled at anyone at all then? Why believe that anything occurred by anyone?
You may not have met Melvin, but you seem to be around his blog a lot. Perhaps you’ve read more of his material to get a much better idea of who he is than Jenkin’s nephew or members of Jenkin’s security team. Or have you read more from Jenkin’s nephew and security team?
Not only did you “pray” that Melvin didn’t do it, you admonished Melvin as to how terrible it would be IF he did. Why not admonish Jenkin’s nephew and security detail of the gravity of lying? If you’re going to dish admonishment, don’t show partiality.
IC said:
Why accept what others said occurred as ever having occurred at all then?
My response:
How have I accepted “what others said occurred as ever having occured”? What I said in essence, was that I hoped and prayed, that the accusations leveled at Melvin were false, for if they were not, then it will ruin his credibility, the integrity of this site’s message, and display the fact that he’s losing it-as in being, or becoming, mentally unstable.
What is it about my position, you seem to not be clear on?
IC said:
Have you spoken with any of them on the phone? Ever met any of them?
My response:
I don’t have to speak with any of Melvin’s accusers on the telephone, or in person, in order for me to pray that Melvin didn’t do such a thing that they’re accusing him of. I’ve never met Melvin in person, nor have I ever spoken with him on the telephone, so what’s your point?
IC said:
So why not pray that nobody ever yelled at anyone at all then? Why believe that anything occurred by anyone?
My response:
Because the topic here is dealing with the accusations of someone being verbally and possibly, physically assaulted, by the “benevolent dictator.” Praying that no one had been assaulted, if in fact it did happen, is tantamount to me praying for the dead-IT’S TOO LATE!
All I can do, is pray that Melvin is not the culprit of an action that has possibly taken place already, similar to how someone may pray that a friend or a relative, wasn’t the victim of an interstate collision, or car pile up.
So again, if this incident did occur, I pray that Melvin had no hand in the matter. What’s so unsettling about that?
IC said:
You may not have met Melvin, but you seem to be around his blog a lot.
My response:
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? I can hang around a lot of spots in cyberspace, but that doesn’t mean that I totally know the folks, or even webmasters I’m dealing with, despite their public personas.
This is why I said earlier, that I intuitively don’t believe Melvin would do such a thing. HOWEVER, I can’t fully guarantee that, seeing as how I don’t know Melvin well enough, and the fact that human beings are capable of doing great evil.
This isn’t to say that Melvin did this, for again, I intuitively believe that this is a smear campaign, and the fact that I pray that he wasn’t involved in the matter, shows my intentions of goodwill towards Melvin, but I’m not going to buckdance and go over the meadow and through the woods, and say that I know of a surety that Melvin is innocent, when in reality-I DO NOT, AND NEITHER DO YOU!
Now, this isn’t the same as me saying that Melvin is guilty of the crime, for I believe he is innocent, rather, I’m not putting Melvin on any type of pedestal, because despite the good work he’s doing on this site, I really don’t know what he’s capable of doing-AND AGAIN, NEITHER DO YOU!
IC said:
Perhaps you’ve read more of his material to get a much better idea of who he is than Jenkin’s nephew or members of Jenkin’s security team. Or have you read more from Jenkin’s nephew and security team?
My response:
Again, reading more material from either side, isn’t going to take away from the fact that I don’t know for sure whether or not Melvin is guilty of the accusations leveled against him, even though I feel he is innocent. Writing good treatises or pieces of wisdom isn’t a panacea, when it comes to determining the type of evil a person is capable of committing.
IC said:
Not only did you “pray” that Melvin didn’t do it, you admonished Melvin as to how terrible it would be IF he did.
My response:
Of course, and? You don’t think it would have been a terrible thing if he had performed the deeds he’s been accused of committing? Furthermore, highlighting how “terrible” a deed is, even if the person you’re talking to didn’t perform the evil deed, isn’t the same as admonishing that person, because they performed the evil deed.
IC said:
Why not admonish Jenkin’s nephew and security detail of the gravity of lying?
My response:
Because I don’t know for sure, if they lied, as far as someone approaching the nephew, and neither do you. Secondly, why should I approach the accusers, if they are indeed liars, when Melvin, a person, who because of his writings, and confessed beliefs, should be held at a higher standard, because of what he claims to represent.
Remember, this is his site, therefore I have more access to getting my message to Melvin: a man who not unlike ourselves, is not above admonishing, or critiquing.
Simply put, if these folks are lying, I’d rather it be proven first, that Melvin is innocent, for if he doesn’t have blood on his hands, then it will be a lot easier to deal with those bringing falsehoods against him.
IC said:
If you’re going to dish admonishment, don’t show partiality.
My response:
How am I showing partiality? You’re expressing a belief about me that Melvin doesn’t even believe.
seekerman,
Your own words gave you away. You accepted that someone yelled at the kid, but showed you were unsure if Melvin was the culprit.
You have not spoken with Melvin on the phone, but have conversed with him plenty here. Is somehow hearing his voice more credible than his written words?
You claim to pray nothing happened would be “too late”, but your obfuscating. You believe MELVIN who told you about this accusation, but you waffled on believing MELVIN who told you he didn’t do it.
The event is in the past, so who did it has already done it. What’s the point of praying regarding an event that already occurred? Either Melvin did it or he didn’t. Even David got up after the child died. I just don’t have Biblical reference for praying to impact PAST events. Whoever did it, did it.
It all has way more relevance than the price of tea in China. Either you really have brotherly love for a man or you don’t. Either Melvin is your brother in Christ or you are suspect regarding him. You’ve affirmed the latter. You’ve repeatedly stated how you don’t know him. You trust him to tell you about an accusation, but don’t fully trust his claim of innocence. If John Jenkins’ sued Melvin and Melvin requested help in paying the legal bills, would seekerman be there for Melvin? This is an issue of BROTHERLY LOVE. And what that term REALLY MEANS.
Even people you might claim you “know”, you know have at times done things you didn’t expect of them. So we can say only God knows anyone, no matter how much personal time we spend with them. Any of our good is only whatever God has graced us with. Of ourselves we are nothing.
I TRUST Melvin’s claim of innocence because he’s my brother in Christ AND no 2 or 3 witnesses have come against him AND no evidence has been displayed to show him as guilty. So I don’t have any reason to doubt Melvin’s word. Melvin has made his claim to follow Christ clear, so I have no reason to tell him the gravity of something he’s already clearly stated he didn’t do.
seekerman said: (and I’m adding a little emphasis to something he said)
I feel Melvin’s innocence is already proven, because I find the premise of a man being viewed as INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY to be fair. The burden of proof is on the accusers, no burden is on Melvin at all.
Deuteronomy 19:15 (English Standard Version)
That means Melvin is already innocent and no evidence or witnesses have said it was him. Jenkins’ security team is not a witness, they were not present when the event occurred and we agree they are saying whatever comes to their heads. The kid didn’t say it was Melvin.
Melvin is INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY. And unlike R. Kelly and Michael Jackson, there has not been video or/and multiple children claiming he did anything.
Actually IC, I did respond to this latest post of yours, however the benevolent dictator, being benevolent, decided not to post it up…
Oh well…
(MN: Yes, Seekerman did respond. However, the length and…specificity of the growing exchange indicated the need to cut the discussion short. My apologies for not announcing the decision. )
Well Melvin, I was a little surprised my comment got in
. But best this was ended. I fully support the move to end it and move on.
-Well Melvin, I was a little surprised my comment got in.
*Me too, seeing as how it was laced with petty and gratuitous statements…
I’m sorry, I just had to throw that in.
May the Lord who rose again and will one day raise the bodies of the elect from their graves as was His own bless you seekerman.
John Kerry, is this you?
Hey Mel, did JKJ take up a special “Love Offering” as a means of assuaging his wounded feelings??
Did he extend and expand his “Armor Bearer” protection services to his extended family??
Did he cite “Touch Not My A-Nephew, And Do The Pimpled No Harm”??
Inquiring minds want to know.
If Jenkins did away with his security detail, people upset with him might be more able to fulfill Matthew 18:15-17 and speak with him directly?
Melvin went to John when he was there and Melvin has been repeatedly rejected. To the point that Jenkin’s security is on “high alert” for Melvin and was even before this. It’s only godly that Melvin view Jenkins as a heathen.
Hello, Magnanimous Mel:
Anytime you need some “wet work” done, Mr. Jones:
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Have Machine Gun - Will Travel
email: dickkopf
Colorado Springs
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Peter
“wet work”? machine guns? heeey, just what kind of website IS this?
Not many wanted to touch that particular comment, but you’re right.
Melvin those are not the kinds of comments you want around here, not even in jest. And while I agree with your responses to Damagoh, they were correct to point out the comment about “wet work” as being very inappropriate too.
Honestly, the “Roosting Chickens” title when this is about Jenkins’ nephew being yelled at was not necessarily the most fitting title. I mean Jeremiah Wright’s bumbling with talk about roosting chickens is enough and he’s a pimp, so we sort of expect it from him. Yea it’s directly related to Jenkins’, but you don’t want to give these nuts any ammunition, no pun intended
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Hello, mrs. maverick:
At your service, as well as all those of the Pantheon of Pulpit Pimp Pundits. Of course, righter is included in this exclusive and erudite membership.
Luke 22:36
Love,
Peter
Peter, why are you out for an ear?
Romans 12:21, we don’t need any holy hit men and there is no such thing.
Ephesians 5:4, even if joking we are to maintain a level of righteousness.
Hello, IC:
As one whose heart has been touched by the gospel (Zephaniah 2:2-3), I agree with the verses you cited.
As a former Marine whose best friend was once his M-60 machine gun, I sometimes wrap my anger toward these wolves in a blanket of banality. Nevertheless, as you gently pointed out, IC, my behavior has been sinful, and I repent of it.
Anyway, “Have Gun - Will Travel,” is still my favorite TV series, and as a hired gun, Paladin truly avoided violence and only occasionally took an ear.
Thank you, brother, for obeying Galatians 6:1.
Love,
Peter
Thank the Lord we are not like the wolves. There is nothing good in me, I mean my flesh, Romans 7:18.
All good things are from the Lord.
Praise God through Jesus Christ, we know those who fleece sheep will be paid their due (2 Corinthians 11:15) if they don’t repent. And those who threaten children could also suffer a similar fate, because they LIKE THE PIMPS are acting of the flesh and God will not stand idle and allow any of His little ones to be harmed, Mark 9:42.
He is the Lord and He will repay, Romans 12:19!
Peter,
Your all right with me. Your posts about the machine gun are quite funny. I think what they were trying to say that in “this” case with all the false accusations the sheeple might take it the wrong way if you know what I mean. I could only see it now, “Melvin has people on his site claiming they are now going to track you down with a machine gun”.
Peter, apparently satire is no longer a viable form of communication with the sheeple. You know it does take a certain IQ level to understand it. Anything below that level and one might take it the wrong way. Hence the constant attacks on Melvin.
Yes that was an off handed insult to the dolts and a pat on the back to Mel.
Kyle
Yea Peter is cool. But these pimps are ruthless and as you explained Kyle, we don’t want to give the devil an opportunity to lob yet another accusation at the brethren.
I believe you Melvin. Remember when Benny Hinn wanted to use a “Holy Ghost machine gun on his foes?” Kenneth Copeland said that he knew of “several people that got cancer and are in an early grave because of it.” Because of what you may ask? Why because people questioned Kenny Copeland! They (the people in an early grave) also called “that bunch in Tulsa a cult.” (WOF) So you see Melvin when these pimps feel “threatened” they call down the curses of God or lie about things like this clowns nephew. Always remember when the power structure is questioned get ready for an onslaught! These folks get nasty!
Let’s face it. You’re public enemy #1 in their eyes. I’m sure if First Baptist Church of Glenarden had a leak in the roof, a power outage, or a crack in the pavement they would blame it on you. Evidently you are having an impact on them.
That 16 year old “kid” is not the one at fault he is just telling his story. Besides, how many other middle aged black guys with beards could there be- LOL! I’m being sarcastic of course. However, grown adults who “claim” to be Christians are accusing you without proof. That’s the issue. Why are they assuming you’re the one? Is it because Pastor Jenkins has already told his minions, er uh security guards, er uh I mean armor bearers to keep an eye out for you?
Kyle
Let me get this straight.
Your web-site reaches hundreds if not thousands of people (many possibly from JKJ’s church). It impacts people who are in and outside of JKJ’s Church.
(MN: Yeah. I discovered folks from First Baptist Church of Glenarden on the Kettering visit my site a long time ago. I’ve even seen evidence that some of the visitors are coming in FROM THE FBCG network. Go figure. )
And they think you bullied his the nephew to get the word out that his uncle is a pimp?
They’re either really paranoid or just plain stupid.
COP wrote……..
“They’re either really paranoid or just plain stupid.”
I’ll take “Just Plain Stupid” for $500 Alex.
Many come to this site accidently because you own the same name of the church’s website but have com at the end instead of org and you have people forwarded from that site to here even though they may have been trying to reach the church’s website.
(MN: Yeah. I thought it was a great idea when my Vastly Overpriced Webmaster first suggested it. And that name “FBCGlenarden.com” actually costs me quite a bit to keep active. Now that you’re here, take off your shoes and stay awile and look around. Do a search on John Jenkins [just type in “Jenkins” in the search box] and read at your liesure. You may be able to get a whole new perspective on John K. Jenkins, the Pastor of First Baptist Church of Glenarden on the Kettering. )
Melvin,
Dude you are really too much man. I read about the http://www.FBCGlenarden.com/www.pulpit-pimps.org thing and almost hurt myself laughing. Oh boy, I needed that one.
Sir, as you have said before, you are the proverbial pimple on the face of the priestly-pimps.
Well Melvin…The only reason people from the FBCG Network visit your site is because you have fbcglenarden.com routed to eventually get to this site. I have accidentally typed .com looking for the churches website and come across this crap of a website…have a nice day…and by the way Melvin…YOU ARE THE PIMP, YOU JUST AIN’T GOT NO PULPIT…
(MN: Well of course that’s the only reason people from FBCG(otK) come to the site. That’s why I made FBCGlenarden.com one of the routers. I’m fully aware that few of the people at FBCG(otK) think deeply enough to visit the site on purpose. For instance, your knee-jerk reaction in saying that I am simply a pimp without a pulpit is a perfect example of that. How, exactly, do I pimp the people who visit here? John K. Jenkins has gotten literally millions of hard earned dollars out of you people. Your hard work, like the prostitute’s hard work, has enabled John K. Jenkins to live a very wealthy lifestyle. Let’s see - getting rich at the hos’ expense - trying to warn the hos about their pimp. Let’s see, which is the the pimp? Which one more closely matches Matthew 10:24 - 28? )
they arent sure who it is and due to the fact that you have a whole website against my pastor why wouldnt they suspect you. and for the record, the nephew who got threatened name is Anatall and he is 16 or 17.
(MN: Lady, I don’t care what the child’s name is or how you spell it. The spelling you see on the site was from some people who apparently attend FBCG.
The whole website is not against your pastor. The website is against pimps in the pulbpit. One of the pimps is your pastor. If the whole site was against your pastor, it would have been called “John Jenkins is Pimping You.” I hope you can see the difference. )
So what if Melvin did make a whole site telling how Jenkins is a false teacher? He is!
The fact Melvin warns of a false teacher does not make him a suspect. In fact, it means he’s the least likely.
And Melvin has a better handle on grammar, so I think Anonymous is a more likely suspect!
Melvin, do you have any sympathy for that little boy? It seems to me that you loved what happened to him. This is somebody child, not a grown man. If you ever approach me, not saying you did this, you would not think it was funny to be going to the hospital! Have some compassion for this child!
(MN: Help me out here. What did I write that made it seem that I loved what happend to the kid? But beyond that, the issue wasn’t the kid. The issue is the accusation that I did something to the kid. Surely you can see that my first priority is making sure I provide clarity to the situation. As I said previously, to my knowledge I have never seen the kid before. And where does it say [in any of the communications I have] that he went to the hospital? )
Ann you’re full of it. the issue here is did Melvin do this and why in the world would you people assume he did? Just because he mentions your pastor in a forum, he’s responsible for all evil that befalls the guy and his family. I’m disgusted by you people. Melvin has said nothing untoward about this child’s situation and all you Glen Garden people have done is throw accusations. I hate that I’m lumped in with blind fools like you people.
Another thing, how tall are you. Better yet, I’ll just ask your wife! She still attends FBCG doesn’t she!
(MN: Oooh! I’m cut to the quick! Your clever little dig was so effective.
Ann, you must be new to the site. Otherwise you would realize that virtually everyone who reads the blog with any regularity knows full well that my wife still attends First Baptist Church of Glenarden on the Kettering.
But here’s the trouble, you don’t know what my wife looks like, or even what her name is. And that of course, is one of the problems I have with the people there at First Baptist Church of Glenarden on the Kettering. It’s a big club with no real interest in the well-being of the members. Even the deacons are a little bit less than worthless when it comes to caring for the sheep. Sure, they’ll go by and pick up the member’s tithes. They’ll even take the sick and shut in the wafer and juice if they can’t make communion. But how many of you honestly care for each other?
Your pastor, pimp that he is, actually tried to blackmail me with my wife by saying: “If you apologize for telling people why you left, then I will counsel her to leave.” Is this the approach of a man who cares for the sheep? Or is it the approach of a man who wants power over others?
I suggest you avoid trying to embarrass me in the future. People standing up to their chins in sewage (like you) shouldn’t try to make waves. )
Ann, are you upset that Melvin is a tall man who is with his wife instead of trying to impress YOU?
Melvin, I think Ann likes you. First she wants you in the hospital, then she’s talking about your wife. Classic signs of a school yard crush, when one female is jealous of another having the man!
oh, brother.
Ditto, sis….
First of all, I have seen Melvin before and he is not my type. I am very,very happily married to a wonderful man and have been married for 10 years now. Please stop making me laugh. At least I can get my man to worship with me!
(MN: I don’t try to “get” my wife to do anything. I explain to her where I stand and why I stand there. One of the mistakes I made for quite a while was to try to “get” her to do things. If your husband is like most of the men who attend First Baptist Church of Glenarden on the Kettering, you can likely “get” him to do anything, Ask your husband to tell you what he thinks about John preaching that Jesus suffered in hell for our sins. Ask him what he thinks of John saying that he is God’s mouthpiece. Ask him if he is okay with all of the Pimps and Pimpettes John brings in to preach to you. Oneness, female, of questionable character. Does any of this bother him? If not, it’s no wonder you can “get” him to worship with you.
If he doesn’t think that which John has said is true, and he stays anyway, then he’s not much of a man since he’s only staying to please you. Luke 14:25-27 says we are to put Christ above father, mother, husband, wive, and children. A man who stays in a lie because his wife won’t leave isn’t doing either one of them a favor.
Let’s see: When is the last time your husband led you in a study of the Word (Eph 5:25), not just a review of what the pastor said. When is the last time you two honestly disagreed on any significant doctrines and you listened to his understanding of the doctrine? When is the last time your husband (the one you can “get” to go to church with you) and you have memorized a portion of scripture together. My wife just beat me out by memorizing Romans 8:35 -39 word perfect before I did. I have been leading us in the memorization efforts. Does your husband do this? Or is his idea of discipleship limited to being in the Security ministry, or the Card ministry, or the Cooking ministry, or some other “ministry” that does nothing for the spiritual growth of either of you? Maybe he doesn’t know enough Bible to teach you. Does he at least use the Westminister Catechism to guide you and the family to Christ?
The bottom line is this: If your husband worships [and I use the term loosely] with you, then your husband is willing to stand by and watch you get pimped or is willing to submit to pimpery himself.
Again, stop trying to take the snide little girly swipes at me. They are so typical of the sheeple [male and female] who attend First Baptist Church of Glenarden on the Kettering. And they make you look so foolish to boot. )
I can not sit still and not comment to you Ann. I do not make many comments on the blog and when I do they ususally are not a response to a childish attack. BUT being a woman of God and a wife, I have to make a comment. I’m going to use Titus 2:2-5 for my reason to respond to you.
“Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. 4Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, 5to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.”
I’m speaking to you because you are a woman and God commands women in Titus 2 to teach other women. Also, your comments started the whole thing. It was very cruel.
I come to you in love as a woman to tell you that your comments do not edifiy marriage. I’m so glad you have a husband that you love. However, to use the circumstances of someone else’s marriage to make a nasty comment is out of line. You degraded the relationship of husband and wife. Therefore you have discounted the relationship between God “the bridegroom” and the church “the bride”.
My dear woman if you really cared about this wife (a member of your church) you would encourage her to be obedient to God’s Word and “subject herself to her husband”. You could even use Titus 2:3-5 as your reason. Then you would pray for her to have a clear understanding of God’s desire for marriage.
OR, you may want to study the Word for yourself on marriage. WE (women) are NOT the head of the home. Eph. 5:22-24 “Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.”
Please pray about this and let the Lord guide you through His Word.
(MN: Psst. Cheryl. The checks in the mail )
Cheryl put that one over the fence and it’s still flying!
Preach…Now that is what I’m talking bout. How many of us had to learn the hard way that WE can’t make our spouses DO anything. What we can do is offer to grow with them in Christ, by doing all of the things you just stated. One of my favorite things is discussing scripture with my wife first thing in the morning. We haven’t got to memorizing scripture together yet.
Raggedy Mouthed Ann said:
So in your book, 2 being happily pimped is better than one who listens to the pimp but gets good teaching at home from one who refuses to hear a pimp!
Because Melvin refuses to listen to Jenkins’ mess, does not mean Melvin and his wife don’t worship together. Or can they not worship God together the other 165 hours of a week Melvin’s wife is not at Jenkins’ spot? It seems to me she’s with Melvin way more than Jenkins, so you should be careful what you claim they are doing. Melvin and his wife may be together in worship more during a week than you and your husband the few hours a week you’re being pimped.
(MN: A couple of things: The wife attends Hillcrest Baptist Church on occasion. And she really enjoys it. If I stay patient, pray, and love her, I’m certainly I can lure her away from the relative traditional security and doctrinal familiarity of John K. Jenkins, the pastor of First Baptist Church of Glenarden on the Kettering. )
Westminster Catechism ? why would you use this thing, is their something in it that’s not in the bible?
(MN: Tell you what amdm, answer these questions in a few words each, and provide Scripture to back them up:
1. What is the chief end of man?
2. What is God?
3. What do the Scriptures principally teach?
4. How many persons are there in the Godhead?
5. What special act of providence did God exercise towards man in the estate wherein he was created?
6. What is sin?
7. Did all of mankind fall in Adam’s first transgression?
8. How did Christ, being the Son of God, become man?
And remember, I want you to provide Scripture for each of you responses.
amdm, a catechism [be it the shorter or full], provides us with a concise biblical response to common questions; the essential doctrines. It also pimp proofs us. How many ADULTS attending a pimp church [or just your average traditional church] can answer these question wether they ramble or try to use Scriptures?
A catechism is a way to define what you believe and why you believe it. It’s not just a Catholic thing.
Armed with a working knowledge of the contents of the catechism, the Christian can explain and provide more solid, biblical responses to the tough questions that the most experienced of the pimps. And it make the average believer pimp-proof.
Now, on the other side, if I have any problem with the Presbyterians, it’s the fact that they may rely a little too much on the catechism. )
1. What is the chief end of man?
To glorified God Rev 4:11
2. What is God?
God, “HE WHO IS “God is love”, as the apostle John teaches. 1 John 4:16
3. What do the Scriptures principally teach?
The inspired books teach the truth. ” Micah 6:8. He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
4. How many persons are there in the Godhead?
When we pray to the Father, we adore and glorify him together with the Son and the Holy Sp Matthew 28:19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: irit.
5. What special act of providence did God exercise towards man in the estate wherein he was created?
. For man is created in the image and likeness of God who is himself love. Since God created him man and woman, their mutual love becomes an image of the absolute and unfailing love with which God loves man’ Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it.’” Gen 2:16
6. What is sin?
Sin is an offense against God: ” 1John 3:4
7. Did all of mankind fall in Adam’s first transgression?
The whole human race is in Adam “as one body of one man”. By this “unity of the human race” all men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as all are implicated in Christ’s justice.
Rom 5:12-22
8. How did Christ, being the Son of God, becomes man?
But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.’ 2Cor 5:21
Not all believers are ignorant of scripture sir.
the Westminster Catechism is not inspired, please note the baptism of baby’s can you find a scripture verse to support it’s teaching.
Amdm, no one is claiming the Westminster is inspired. In fact,the only person who made that rather inane statement was you in response to nothing which suggested as much.
It is simply a guide through Scripture in a format which allows a structured method of imparting elementary Biblical truth. Is it perfect?? Nope……….because it’s not inspired. Is it useful?? Yup. So, what’s your problem??
amdm, a little advice. If you’re going to turn-up your nose at the Westminster Catechism because it’s “not in the Bible”, I wouldn’t be so quick to copy and paste from the Catechism of the Catholic Church (including scripture references) were I you. Something about pots and kettles comes to mind.
Andy B, I copied and pasted the Catholic Catechism to illustrate that even the Catholic Church can define basic biblical doctrine, but what does scripture say in 1Cor 2:14? Does the Catholic Church believe in the Christ Of the bible? the answer is no, but they have the essentials don’t they? It’s also interesting that your the only one that picked up on it, good for you. Question, does a Catechism really provide the believer with “concise biblical response to common questions; the essential doctrines” yes, and no; the bible says ” a little leaven corrupts the whole lump, along with it’s so-called essentials their’s the leaven (ie. baby baptism). How can the believer avoid traps that can entangle them? Since men have a propensity to be slothful (let someone else do the studying) arming oneself with none other then the whole word of God is not only wise but it’s safe. Non biblical aids are most helpful but if you want “essentials” don’t look for road of least resistance, exercise the God’s Holy Spirit in you and mine the Word of God putting your back into it, it’s treasures are well worth the effort.
(MN: AMDM, I’m really not understanding why you keep trying to make me say more about the catechism than I said. I fact, specifically, I said: “Now, on the other side, if I have any problem with the Presbyterians, it’s the fact that they may rely a little too much on the catechism.” Defining basic doctrine is the purpose of a catechism. Obviously you don’t want to use a catechism that differes drastically from your position. Scientology has a catechism. Catholocism has catechism. The Unity School of Christianit has a catechism. Surely you understand that I am not saying pick a catechism and work with it. Heck, push come to shove, you can create your OWN catechism. The bottom line is that it is far more effective to TEACH YOUR CHILDREN [which I believe was the initial reason this even showed up] using discrete doctrinal knowledge. But I can guarantee you someone is going to disagree with whatever you put in your catechism. )
Ann, I’m 17, My parents, who are avid Pentecostals, know they will never get me to worship with them on the Lord’s Day because the preacher there preaches a bunch of garbage, even if he is my own Father! “Look at me, I can get my man to worship with me”. Mel, edit this out, if it’s rude [and I apologise in advance] but if your man is made to worship by you, he’s a wimp with no backbone!
Okay, this is interesting because, there is an alledged death threat that has been made, and regardless of who the finger is being pointed at, I think that is safe to say that it is not something to make light of, especially, in a forum such as this. As one blogger noted, this site is read by a multitude of people, and believe it or not some of the readers/contributors are just as weak minded as some of those who attend FBCG. So with that in mind, I think that this is a volatile situation that could easily get out of hand if not handled responsibly.
(MN: Why do you think I haven’t been joking about the threat itself. I have been totally unambiguous about the event. )
There has been enough information given on this site for some idiot to locate, stalk, etc. JKJ or his family. Pimp or no pimp, no one deserves to have their life threaten by some nut. So, I’m simply saying that this is a serious matter and should not be made light of, because there are some out there that are ignorant enough to act on nonsense. What’s up with that comment by dickkopf? Don’t sleep, everyone on this site is not as intelligent as they try to percieve.
(MN: Actually, I have yet to give any personal information about JKJ. The fact that he is the pastor of First Baptist Church of Glenarden on the Kettering is public knowledge. So no foul there. )
I would suggest that this is a perfect opportunity to address the seriousness of the matter, emphasize that this incident could be a result of spiritual irresponsibilty, focus on the importance of integrity.
(MN: Can’t argue with that. But that was part of the thrust of the posting, the fact that irresponsibility on his part is perhpas creating an unpleasant anti-fan base for him. )
keep the focus on God and rightly dividing the word of God.
My comment was not pointed at you specifically, as much as I was trying to just put it out there. I know that you have managed to not make personal attacks on the people discussed in these blogs, but rather focused on there actions or the lack thereof, or their mishandling of God’s word or his people.
I’m certain that he has developed an anti-fan base, I just wanted to point out that the internet is a volatile place, full of deranged people, who are looking for the wrong kind of energy to fuel their crazyness.
However, I do find it interesting that of the thousands of people that attend or have attended that church or have come in contact with JKJ, the implication would be that you are the ONLY one dissatisfied with his behavior/teaching/etc.
Its kind of delusional for his security staff or members to conclude you are the only one with a beef.
Nice thoughts, Brah……thanks for sharing.
(Damagoh) “There has been enough information given on this site for some idiot to locate, stalk, etc. JKJ or his family.”
(GV) Frankly, this is an outrageous and completely untrue statement. Not one SCINTILLA of personal information about JKJ or his family has EVER been posted on PP.Org. The only information that has ever been posted here is the fact that JKJ “pastors” FBCG, and the dude himself saturates the local media and the internet with that information.
I agree that this should be handled responsibly, but that should begin by not posting precisely the same sort of irresponsible and unfounded accusations against Melvin as the FBCG members.
(MN: Calm down Riki Tiki. David’s okay. He’s just worried about me. He used to attend FBCG. And he figured it out BEFORE I did. )
Thanks for calling off the attack Melvin…:) That’s what I’m talking about GV, trust me, Melvin does not need you to defend him, He is very capable. My concern is with what you just did, acting like a self appointed attack dog, its unneccessary and could only exacerbate the issue. That is what I mean when I mention volatility. I know Melvin personally, I know what this website is all about, I get it. Melvin is right my concern was for both Him and JKJ. Although, I don’t agree with much (90%) of the JKJ/FBCG thing, I know both of these men personally and death threats, assualt, defamation, etc. is out of bounds. I was just trying to throw in the flag to discontinue play, if you will. ( a sports analogy from a non-sports person…I tried.)
What I just did David, was point out that your comment was inaccurate. Nothing more. Peace.
actually you gave people images of JKJ’s house, which is very dangerious.
(MN: And where is that house? It was a shot from space, top down. No address associated with it. Try again. )
secondly, his nephew who was threatened’s name is anatole, not anatall. (MN: I still don’t care what his name is. Anatole is how the two doofuses at FBCG spelled it. )and thirdly, you ppl are all sick. do you know how many death threats JKJ gets, and to have a threat out on ur whole family is quit serious. (MN: No I don’t. Do you? And if it’s so many, why is he so concerned about this particular one? ) im not sure about the family now but i use to be very close to them, i went to school with his daughter sarah. trust me, the entire family is loving and are all about the word of God. JKJ is a good man and i think its really sad that someone would attack anatole, im not sure about the specifics of what happened but regardless its sad. i just hope someday you will see what an evil thing you have done. and anatole is 17 i believe. he is the same age as JKJ’s son james.
(MN: Okay, you lost me. What is the “evil thing” I have done? )
Dear First Baptist Church of Glenarden,
As a person who has been contributing to this blog nearly since its inception, Melvin has never threatened nor will ever threaten anyone of any given denomination due to their beliefs. This website has from the beginning clearly pointed out the deception of the Prosperity/WoF Gospel which is present within the church today. Melvin has treated all proponents of this doctrine equally regardless of race or denomination. Melvin has pointed out both up and comers as well as well established Preachers within this movement. He continues to notify the people trapped in this deception of its destructive nature both spiritually and financially. Melvin has NEVER used language that was threatening nor actual physically threatening towards anyone including the Pastors Nephew. Melvin has used satire, humor, sarcasm, and facts to engage the minds of those both trapped in this deception and those who were previously bound by this movement. For anyone to make blanket accusations of physical assault without evidence has engaged in false accusation.
In closing, no child should be threatened due to their beliefs. No Pastor should be assaulted either. However, critical analysis of what one espouses can be criticized because in this country we have first amendment rights. However, first amendment rights do NOT allow for false accusations.
Kyle Andrews
Melvin you said:
“I suggest you avoid trying to embarrass me in the future. People standing up to their chins in sewage (like you) shouldn’t try to make waves”
Bro you are ridiculous! LOL!!! I have never heard of such a thing in my entire life and I think it is one of the funniest thigs on the post. I am thankful that I didn’t have my coffee in my hand! LOL!!! Man cut it out, you need to go to the next alter call and get delievered! Oh maybe ER doesn’t do that. Well put your hand on the screen so I can pray for you like Hinn and them! Stop it or I will refuse to visit your site ever again.
BTW, is this threat thing serious? I remember this obscure little section in Acts when Paul was stoned drug out of the city, left for dead and came back and went back into the city, or, or , or, oh, oh, how about this guy name Jesus who said “don’t fear men, who can only kill the body”. I think He was God in the flesh the second person in the trinity who not only died but embraced it in enternity past! The other 12 of the 13 also were martyred (history states anyway).
Mr. Jenkins should fear his life he should understand that “world would hate him” as His master so candidly conveys. Now all of this is in light of this information being true. No disrespect to any of his congregants or family but Christians are promised to suffer persecution I guess he is lucky that he can afford security unlike the rest of us.