(MN: And He will deal with you for sitting around and saying nothing while the wolves devour the sheep and the unsaved. You, ELDER, should be ashamed to take on the title of elder. You should be out there doing what elders are supposed to be doing - defending the body. Instead, you are stepping aside and giving free access to the wolves. )

(Melvin, SaiKo asked me to send this for him because he wasn’t at a computer.

AngelaS - shepher5@msu.edu)

(MN: And then he nattered on a whole lot more making his big finish with: )

HE THAT IS NOT OF GOD (that’s you Melvin; HEARS NOT US [Gal. Heb. Rom., 1&2 Thes., 1&2 Cor., Titus, James, 1&2 Tim., etc.] (that’s you Melvin). HEREBY KNOW WE THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH (me), and the spirit of error (you Melvin).

The point is, as long as we are all living, breathing beings with varying degrees of will (be they strong or weak), there will ALWAYS be instances where power will be misused and abused and thrusted on those of weaker constitutions, regardless of whether the dynamic is in the home, church or job. It stands to say that those on the receiving end of the abuse may have likely been stripped of their dignity in other areas prior to getting involved in a cultic church setting–i.e. abusive childhood home, for instance.

Sorry, but just like taxes, this stands to be a problem until the end of time.

I have never been one to put much stock into statements such as this. Kinda sounds like the statement that suuporters of those discussed on this site say: “How many people did he/she bring to Christ.”

By making the statement you did and the one I mentioned that is heard often, I think people are giving man WAY too much power and credit. :-/

Oh and by the way, as of 3 years ago, a woman, whose father was a COGIC pastor, told me straight up that Jesus wasn’t God, just the “son of God,” only, which according to her interpretation, meant-that Jesus wasn’t God, and that he was, again, less, and not equal to, God the Father.

Too many trinitarians, hailing from these congregations, believe that the only true God is the Father, whereas the Son is not God at all, just “divine.”

Come on, I’m sure folks on here know exactly what I’m talking about.

All I am saying is this…….As “christians” you say you believe in the Words of the bible and you say they are true. But if you TRUELY believed that; then you too would believe as I do…..ONLY THE WORD OF GOD!!!! Anything else is deception………that is why in 1 John 4:4-6 it says: You are of God, little children, and have overcome them (false preachers/teachers): because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
They are of the world (false preachers / teachers): therefore speak they of the world, and THE WORLD HEARS THEM.
WE ARE OF GOD: HE THAT KNOWS GOD HEARS US (who is us???…..2 Peter 3:2 That you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:) HE THAT IS NOT OF GOD HEARS NOT US. HEREBY KNOW WE THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, and the spirit of error.

And now that you know that ALL these churches and their religions are of the world he also says: James 4:4 YOU ADULTERERS AND ADULTERESSES, KNOW YOU NOT THAT THE FRIENDSHIP OF THE WORLD IS ENMITY WITH GOD??????? WHOSOEVER THEREFORE WILL BE A FRIEND OF THE WORLD IS THE ENEMY OF GOD.

1John2:15-17 says: Love not THE WORLD, neither the things that are in the world. IF ANY MAN LOVE THE WORLD, THE LOVE OF THE FATHER IS NOT IN HIM. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeS away, and the lust thereof: but he that does the will of God abides forever.

Col.2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through PHILOSOPHY AND VAIN DECEIT, AFTER THE TRADITION OF MEN, AFTER THE RUDIMENTS OF THE WORLD, and not after Christ.

Sola Scriptura,

DOC

Welcome aboard the Rollercoaster of Righteousness. Keep your hands and arms inside the car at all times, and hold on tight.

Many times these victims have poured out their hearts to the pastors expecting spiritual guidance. These pastors know they are mentally weak and/or unstable. I’m quite sure the pastors lure them into the trap little by little, and once they see the foolish, unsuspecting person has TOTAL FAITH in the garbage they are feeding them, they take advantage of them.

Know for sure, they will answer to God! The solution is for church members to be as noble as the Bereans (Acts 17:11) and receive the message with great eagerness (and probably should add a little bit of skepticism in today’s churches) and examine the Scriptures to see if what the preacher preaches lines up with the word of God. If not, call them to accountablity and request/demand that they explain just what they are talking about. Remember, there are demonic, evil spirits that we wrestle with. Evil men (and women) often present themselves as being sent from God when if fact they have a $elfi$h agenda for $$$$, or they are down right evil, as Rev. Spanky appears to be.

BereanJim

We MUST continue to pray that sound preaching and teaching goes forth from the pulpits with the power of the Holy Ghost to draw sinners and convict saints to live holy lives. Much more of it is needed than what’s currently coming across television. I agree with you and others in prayer that we must contend for the faith. We have to be like Paul when he confronted Peter about playing the hypocrite between the Jews and the Gentiles. These preachers can’t sell out Jesus when in a “secular” setting on the airwaves, then preach holiness when in the “church” setting. It’s the secular truly needs to hear about Jesus. It’s only when we lift Him up that He can draw men.

If you are in the Dallas area, maybe we can meet or fellowship or you can recommend a sound church.
Stay blessed and again, thanks for your prayers.

I have been visiting and reading for at least a few months. I have wanted to join in for quite some time. I could not resist responding to OTWOG. Because I am one of those called to teach the Word of God, I just had to respond.

Like many of those who post here, I too am concerned about what is happening in the body of Christ and desire that we would come into the knowledge (read truth) of God.

I like DOC as a moniker for this forum because it speaks to what I would like to contribute. As a devoted student of Christ, I believe it is important to perpuate HIS doctrine, thus Sola Scriptura.

I look forward to participating in discussion with those who are like minded and I thank God for this forum and you all.

Sola Scriptura,

DOC

P.S. I appreciate your closing, too.

I will be in praying for you and your family in your relocation to Dallas and I hope that you find a church home that meets your needs. I have very good friends who have know Bishop Jakes from his youth and very young days in the ministry, so i have often been in services with him at his church. While not wanting to get into a debate with you about all of his “doctrine” , I will say that what I have heard him preach in those settings has been very different from what I hear and see on television. I have often wondered why that is. In the services I have heard about salvation through Jesus Christ, tight living, holiness, good works, love for your neighbor, etc…and very, very little preaching on the more “popular” topics that many on this site refer to as ’self-help’ except in relationshio to us availing ourselves of he power of God to change our lives and become the people that he has called us to be.

Like I said, I wonder why that is so…but, I’ve been praying that more of that typr of teaching and preaching makes it way on to the air to give some balance to his message.

Anyway…..all the best to you and your family and may you be blessed in your future endeavors…

Cici

“Actually, your claim is very objective. People say things. Indicate who said them and when. It may be anecdotal, but you are still pointing to objective occurrences.”

My response:

I disagree that I have to name names, seeing as how these individuals wouldn’t be known by you, or any of the folks on here at pulpit pimps. This is why I say that my experience is subjective, in the sense that this is what I have personally experienced, coming from baptists, not yours, or anyone else’s experiences.

(MN: My point is that this is not a subjective thing. People said these items. Your experience is not subjective. You heard someone say “Jesus is not God.” This is objective. You heard it. The soundwave beat against your eardrums. )

It’s like me saying that I ran across more than a few folks out there, who despise Vanilla ice-cream, even though studies claim that Vanilla is the most popular flavor of ice-cream out there. Now mind you, I’m not claiming that my experience on such a trivial matter is scientific, nor do I claim to have taken any notes, or records, of my experiences on the matter-but I do know what I have experienced and heard, beyond a shadow of a doubt. (MN: This would be objective as well. You may not be able to document it, but that doesn’t make it subjectives. When a person tells you “I despise vanilla ice cream, the objective part is that they told you. )

A person’s life’s experiences, or the trends they have noticed, can’t always be documented and recorded, in hopes of pulling up those recorded events as proof, in the future, when it comes to such a discussion as this. (This is what scientific studies are for.)

I mean come on-give me a break. (MN: Just trying to make sure we’re all using the same words the same way. It makes for better communications. )

it is very interesting to go through 2peter and jude and list the characteristics and behaviors of the ungodly and false teachers. as a result you begin to discern the ungodly. so daughter is making an excellant point about the problem with some peoples low view of scriptures. hey, the word works.

Ahhh, mrs. mav, this writing with no caps is sooo liberating. no wonder you do it. but don’t worry this just may be one time thing for me.

Soli Deo Gloria,

R4C

And I will make sure the kids don’t pop out with them to scare you either

Bro, you’ve only made a few posts, and I like your style already…Can I call you “The Doctor”??? (LOL!!!) Excellent critique…Welcome, and keep it comin’!!!

Solus Christus,

R4C