Generally, I’m not at all pleased to see the public and spectacular moral failing of anyone, even the worst of the pimps. But sometimes the magnitude of the offenses of the perpetrator is so grievous and is so illustrative of the general fallacies assumed in the Anointed Mand of Gawd/Five Fold Ministry/Apostolic authority idiocies.
This is Earl Paulk, the anointed mand of Gawd, prophet, apostle, and all around spiritual authority down at Cobb County in Georgia.
This is Earl Paul, father of his own nephew, serial adulterer, perjurer, and accused pedophile.
For the last thirty years this bozo and his cohorts have been telling you that they are God’s voice here on Earth. They have claimed to be able to see into the heavenlies, to discern the will of God in YOUR lives. They have so intruded in people’s lives that the members of the church (The Cathedral of the Holy Spirit and other such high sounding names as they have been forced to change it to) have been reduced to what really are mind-numbed spiritual robots.
When he was standing up on the stage, supposedly prophesying some blathering truth into some true believer’s life, there is the distinct possibility that he had just finished hooking up with one of the more gullible church ladies.
Do you understand what these wolves depend on? They depend on your willingness to use something other than the Word of God for your guidance. They depend on your willingness to trust them to give you the truths to live your lives by. They depend on your willingness to be impressed by their supposed abilities to tap into the mind of God.
I read one of Earl’s books. It was entitled “Satan Unmasked.” And it was filled with the hyper-Pentecostal, experience-based teachings about Jesus Christ, His return, and the need for some kind of spiritual super-beings to help God form the Body of Christ into what it needs to be before Jesus Christ could return. I was so impressed with the magnitude of the man’s error that I kept the book. Occasionally I take a look at the book again and review the notes I made in the margins. It was a pile of crap the first time I read it (about 15 years ago) and it’s a pile of crap now. The only difference is that the author has been shown to be a pile of crap as well.
Can the man be forgiven for what he has done? Certainly. Can the people he has ruined recover? Through the grace of God, yes. Should this man have ever been trusted with the trash he was talking? No. And remember, this is one of the perps who promoted such luminaries as Juanita Bynum.
While not all of the hyper-Pentecostals are sexual predators like this fellow, their teachings and their insistence that the follower not think, make the victims of such activities completely vulnerable. How else could the “bishop” convince a member of the choir that it was God’s will for her to meet his sexual needs? These people promote a view of spirituality that not only hobbles the follower and seriously cripples them mentally; it brings shame to the name of Christ. These people work for their own glory (and fun), not for Christ’s. They profane the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ before a world that is more than willing to write Christ off as a waste of time.
If men like these refuse to turn from the lies and extra-biblical teachings they insist on foisting on naïve believers, they should be driven from the Church by the more responsible believes. And sometimes that means that you, the relatives of those believers have got to be willing to stand up and speak out against the heresies and appeals to the flesh these men and women promote.
MN, please explain, why don’t you ever call to the attention of your readers; these men (the pimps) are not true believers I.E Christians, believers of the Christ of The Bible?
Their error, exposed by scripture their lifestyles, contrary to scripture; it’s clear they have another Christ and you’ve expose their error daily; but you give the impression they’re “Christians with error”, and not that they have another gospel, are not saved by Christ of the Bible, and are cult leaders in a counterfeit Christian religion, Scripture clearly says “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed”
Maybe I’m missing it and the phase (Pimp) as you’ve defined it means another gospel?
If so please disregard.
Actually, I do question their salvation. And the Galatians quote is an oft repeated part of the whole site.
Generally, however, I am not willing to say “This person is not saved, that person is not saved, etc.” Rather I tend to limit the assessment to “This person is clearly neither walking nor teaching according to Scripture. It’s very difficult to believe that this person has a relationship with Jesus Christ and still be able to be in such horrendous error. ”
Shall I disregard your comment/question?
I don’t know MN, are they or are they not followers of Christ of the bible?
Do they or do they not have another Gospel?
And if they have another Gospel as horrendous as stated, can they be born again believers?
Christ had no problem telling the religious leaders of his day that they didn’t know him because they know not his father. The fact that scripture testify of who he was, it was their rejection of scripture God’s very word that condemned them, the pimps also reject scripture, using scripture to form their fleshly doctrines, they reject Christ that saves, can you say their not saved or that they’re not born again by the Spirit of God, indeed. It’s a righteous judgment; they’re not of the Holy Spirit they’re of the flesh, and flesh cannot enter the kingdom of God.
(MN: Msamu, I am not going to sit here and say “This person is saved, that person is not. ” For this site, that is not the issue. The issue on this site is the identification of pimps and their easily identified pimp-friendly doctrine. Certainly I have serious doubts as to the salvation of the pimps and pimpettes. I could even argue that many of the people “trapped” in the pimp houses are likely not saved. But again, that is not the purpose of this site. If you want to identify those you believe are saved as opposed to those who are not saved, go ahead. But do it on your own site.
I am done with this topic. If you choose to continue to comment on it, be prepared to have the comment rejected. )
I guess that’s a disregard,
peace
You guys fail to realize this is a spirtual war…..Satan is opposed to anything that is God’s That is specifically why the Lords says his words and not anyone elses because they use lightness..
(MN: FDM - I gave you a pass the first time. You just finished quoting (without exposition) a bunch of scriptures. I don’t have the bandwidth to support that. If you have something to say (as In Christ EXPLAINING the scriptures on the road to Emmaus or at the Temple, or Phillip explaining the quote from Isaiah to the Eunuch, then do so. If you are going to quote scripture with no follow up, then don’t bother. I can cut and paste from a bible with the best of them. After all, when you go to church I suspect the preacher does more than read from a book of the Bible and then sit down. At least that’s my assumption. )
I hope these answer your question otherwise I can give you more scripture….
I answered the question….whether they are of God and whether or not the church can be saved. The verses are the Word of God which you are saying was not good enough? I thought we all were bible believing Christians? We are to believe in the word of God right? Proverbs speaks expressly about what was asked and you called it a cut and paste like as if the word of God is of little importance? You sound like you have just a little more bible than the ones you talk about but you too; have no real revelation of the bible. Just like they do not want to listen to truth you do not either. You like teachers with itching ears as well. What part of the Lord saying to Hear HIS WORDS do you not understand? I guess you believe that a preacher is supposed to give a chapter and verse and elaborate on what it means for you. Paul said that he spoke great plainess of speach when he was speaking about false preachers in 2 Cor.3 and right before Peter said anything about false preachers the first thing he said was: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation 2 Peter 1:20…..This is to let you know that the trick of the devil is to make you feel as though the bible needs to be broken down or elaborated on. Paul says we are going to be judged according to his gospel in Romans 2:16. So the only way to know what we are to do is to read the bible word for word not what man deems is the word of God. That is why Paul in 1 Thes.5:27 Paul says: I charge you by the Lord (that means this is a commandment) that this EPISTLE be READ (you mean not elaborated or broken down) unto ALLthe holy brethren. He says again in Col.4:16 He says again: And when this EPISTILE is READ among you, cause that it be READ also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that you likewise READ the EPISTLE from Laodicea. (not elaborate or breakdown or combine with other books) Why do you think that throughout the bible we are constantly being warned to obey, listen and abide in HIS WORDS. Because that is how the devil decieves.
FDM typed:
“You like teachers with itching ears as well.”
I thought that the verse (II Timothy 4:3, KJV) says that the hearers had itching ears, not the teachers. How would I find out if the person teaching me had itching ears? I guess when I go to church I should ask for the teacher who didn’t wash his ears before service.
For someone who is pushing for “reading” the bible plainly, without exposition, it would seem that you would have been more careful putting forth your charge.
Bro Lawrence……..FDM is a walking testament to what happens when someone decides they don’t need teachers (which is an office the HOLY SPIRIT set up, BTW).
You get such trash doctrine as sinless perfectionism and KJV Onlyism (one of the truly intellectually backward movements of all time).
FDM, do you handle snakes too??
Mel, I’m hoping the object lesson is over, and that you’re going to send FDM back to the Borg Mothership soon.
You are going to regret one day all the things that have come out of your mouth…..when judgement comes do not say that you were not warned……..
Melvin you do not have to worry about sending me any where I see that you guys are not doing what the Lord commands us either….and the Lord is no respector of persons. His way is straight….too straight for flesh to comprehend. I am not angry; I am saddend because I know what the end is going to be if you do not open your eyes (though you feel they are). You will not have to worry about me making any more comments on this site and I will pray that the Lord have mercy on your soul as well as those that frequent this site. God Bless
FDM, your condescending attitude is common among those who are offended at the notion that a website exists with the boldness to call a spade a spade.
Personally all I can say is “bye-bye”
My only regret is that the church is full of pimps because of folks like you and those with whom you associate. I hope you and your snake will be very happy together.
(MN: These are likely the only comments Anonymous is going to be able to post. They ramble on for a couple of paragraphs. If any of you decipher his point, I may post the next one he comes out with. )
First of all….you guys are still being deceived. Do you not know that the Gentiles had churches which are still the ones of today? That is why the bible says they speak of the world (trying to translate the bible into modern “today word” terms for everyone to relate ie. new translation bibles) and the world hears them. All these preachers and churches of today are of the world and none of them care about the things of the Lord. Not even this website has the same concerns that the Lord has. You just picked the verses that say reprove rebuke an elder and you have not heard anything else the Lord says. I have watched how you badger the ones that come on your site (a remnant) and try to share the truth with you. You do not hear anything that has to be said and you too; accuse them of defending the pimps. They have said that the pulpit pimps you talk about and the ones you still listen to; are one-and-the-same (according to the bible) but you can not see that. You are only talking about the obvious wolves and there are more subtle ones than that whose paths lead to hell. That is why in Galatians Paul specifically says that if ANY MAN preach other than what he has given them or has been preached let him be accursed and the bible specifically stipulates not to add to His Words, that we are going to be judged according to Paul’s gospel, Paul stipulated that the Lord was resurrected according to his (Paul’s) gospel, and that the word was of no private interpretation. So what does that mean…….if a preacher comes and says he is of the Lord and he is not speaking the Word of the Lord which are the same things Paul, Peter, James, John, Jude, Solomon, David, Jeremiah, Isaiah, etc. have written. If he does not line up exactly with the Word of God; he is false. That is it that is all.
Woe unto him who calls a holly thing unholy!!!!!!
(MN: Or who calls mistletoe garland!! )
Hello, “Anonymous”:
I guess you’re too ascaird to provide us even a bona fide - that phrase is Latin for “without deception or fraud” - screen name. I suggest you use, DUMMY, although “Anonymous” is sufficient because we get plenty of you on Pulpit-Pimps.org!
Welcome back FDM!! You spread ignorance like a farmer spreads manure. Or maybe it’s more accurate to say you spread manure like a farmer spreads manure??
Whoah, Brah….
Confused as to where FDM’s name came about as I didn’t think Anon was necessarily him. Clarifications?
Peruse his font EG2……….it’s FDM or his evil twin. Either way, he writes pure manure.
Melvin I will say they aren’t saved for you. The Bible says neither alduters, nor fornicators ect will see Kingdom of God. If they won’t see God, thenn they are lost. The Bible CLEARLY identifies FALSE prophets. There is a difference between someone who is in error, and someone who is blatanly wrong. Some error is honest… people are simply doing the best with what they know, but when you learn better, you should do better. So I say (without reservation) these people are NOT saved, and are Sons of the Devil… remember the Devil is the Father of ALL lies.
Bishop,
If I remember correctly, you don’t believe in the Trinity. Is that right? If so, then which category do you fall into, “someone who is in error” or “someone who is blatantly wrong”?
If you do believe in the Trinity, then disregard my question.
I live in Atlanta and was so disgusted by what appears to be not a moral slip up, but a deeply set pattern of corrupt behavior conducted with impunity. Finally, one of his daughters did an exclusive interview on our local Fox channel, stating that someone needed from the family needed to acknowledge his wrong doing and apologize to the church members and his accusers (who in turn, were accused of being liars and trying to bust up the church).
Also, i thought you would have mentioned Pastor Bryant’s divorce petition. Why are so many Christians getting divorced?
(MN: Because unlike my wife, they don’t have the patience of Job. I suspect my wife has three mansions waiting for her when she gets there. She’ll probably rent one to me if I make it.
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Cobb County should rejoice. Earl’s church is in Decatur (DeKalb County) but I think he lives in Cobb. But I remember one Fox news report which said he took women into a secret entrance in a house built under the church?
Does anyone remember that?
Melvin, like you some of this just makes me go into momentary shock.
I’m even more disturbed that after their error is clearly revealed and they have refused to repent of it, people still follow them.
Absolutely stunning.
He was on trial in Cobb County, so he probably either lives there or has a “parsonage” there.
He really pimps out of Dekalb where his buildings are. Sharing pimp space in that county with Eddie Long. And when it was all starting to come down, I saw Eddie Long support Earl Paulk and act as if the accusations were things that would pass. Just one of the many things the Lord helped me notice, that caused me to realize Eddie Long was false too!
The Paulks live in Cobb county. The original case between Bobby and Mona Brewer is in DeKalk County, but Paulk’s deposition was taken in Cobb county. This is how and why Cobb County got involved.
GCM Watch, the article referred to a separate entrance in the lower level of the hom.
I agree with Brother Melvin, I think we ought to be very careful about placing ourselves in between our holy God and anyone He has redeemed. The LORD said that there would be birds in the mustard tree, and He just left that truth hanging.
I think that we should discuss fowl (foul) doctrine and deeds for the purpose of building the members of the Body up in discernment. But we should be careful about leaving room for God to lead wayward folk to repentance.
Jesus said that a genuine son might rebel and wander down to the pig pen in a far country. We should encourage every wayward church member to examine themselves and decide if they like the pig pen enough to spend eternity there. We should remind them that a son is supposed to return to the Father’s house.
Hey REB,
What do you mean by “spend eternity there” as it relates to a “genuine son”?
These people are all the same. check out Copeland.
http://www.wittenburgdoor.com/copelandclips
MN: the issue should be whether or not they are saved The Lord warned us against the leaven of the Pharasees and even He told them that their father was Satan…..John 8:38-44 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and YOU DO that which you have seen WITH YOUR FATHER. They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus said unto them, If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill me, a man that has told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. You do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do you not understand my speech? even because you CANNOT HEAR MY WORD. You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: FOR HE IS A LIAR, AND THE FATHER OF IT. (We are back to Prov. 30:6 Add you not unto his words, lest he reprove you, and you be found a liar….)
(MN: The issue on THIS site is not whether or not the pimps are saved. The issue is whether or not they preach the truth or heresy. As I said earlier, it’s likely they are not, but here, on Pulpit-Pimps, the important thing is their doctrine and how they use it to fleece the flock. )
Their doctrine and whether or not they are saved go hand in hand. You cannot know the truth unless you are of God.
No Melvin, let FDM tell you what this site should be about. It should be like HIS site. Oh wait……….he doesn’t HAVE a site. Nevermind.
I guess the KJV doesn’t command us to warn against false teachers. Oh wait…….yes it does.
Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Act 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Gary V you are as Isaiah put it…….all of your watchmen are DUMB DOGS……….I have nothing else for you…….I just pray you are not teaching anyone. For their sakes. You speak only what you know naturally as a brute beast……..
My my………perhaps if you had some teachers rather than wallowing in ignorance you might be able to actually respond Biblically to each verse I cite. Thus far your “I dunt need me no educashin” format hasn’t worked out too well. Except for the object lesson you provide of course.
Gary V…..May the Lord pay you according to your works…….you are too ignorant for words and you twist what you read so much that it has become a habit.
Yeah………may the Lord pay me for actually studying the Word. What a great idea. Goodness knows that’s one payday you’ll never see.
He’s not even cute! (lol)
Um I know whis isn’t in the right spot, but I wanted to know if you are a woman and teach children’s church is that the same thing as teaching sunday school or something along those lines.
thanks
This site is about warning the sheep/sheeple. It’s not about discerning the salvation of the pimps or trying to convert them. We don’t know who the Elect are……..we don’t know when or if God is going to grant them repentance unto life. Only He knows.
What we DO know is that what they teach is poisonous, and God uses men to reach the Elect with truth. Melvin is putting the truth out there and relying upon God for the rest. That’s all any of us can do.
Wherefore canst thou not understand Melvin’s speech? He concedes that it is likely they are NOT saved, but whether or not they are saved is not the issue here. I personally don’t think many of them are saved either, and if any of them are, I sure would not relish being them at the Great White Throne with all they will have to answer for. But even a relative dummy like me can understand that the point you are trying to make is moot. I have personally been robbed blind by pulpit pimps … even as we speak, many many more people are being drained not only of their financial resources, but of physical, mental, and spiritual resources as well …. Many of them (like I did), think they are doing the will of God as they obey these thieves. Letting them know the truth of what is happening to them is the point; not the salvation of the perpetrators.
How’s that for ya GaryV? (Re: “I MUST submit to Melvin … ‘resistance is futile!’” — I’m sure glad you ain’t a little god speaking faith-filled words that MUST come to pass! You’s crazy!!
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Very nice Boo Boo……….very nice indeed!!
Melvin, you are back with a vengance. This guy is a perfect example to use whenever you get a “touch not…” pimp apologist. It’s time for us to start naming names and telling the truth as it is! Amen!
Msamu,
I don’t think we need Melvin to inform us if one of the folks mentioned on this site is saved. The Bible will tell us.
Galations 5:17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.
Obviously, Earl Paulk isn’t walking with the Spirit when he’s hooking up with his congregants. Obviously Earl Paulk isn’t walking in the Spirit when he’s impregnating his own brother’s wife.
The Apostle Paul further on down gives us a fairly good example of what an unsaved (flesh controlled) person looks like;
Galatians 5:19-21
‘Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger,
rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do
such things will not inherit the kingdom of God”.
It’s fairly obvious (at least to me) that Earl Paulk was walking in the flesh during most (if not all) of his ministry. Melvin doesn’t have to tell
us such things it’s as plain as the nose on your face.
Paul then goes on to describe what a Spirit filled man looks like;
Galatians 5:22-24
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is
no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
I don’t see much of the above in Earl Paulks life or ministry, do you?
Finally, verse 24 tells us that during most (if not all) of Earl Paulks ministry, he was unsaved;
And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Paulk obviously didn’t crucify his flesh, therefore he did NOT belong to Christ. From the looks of things, he never even attempted to
crucify his flesh.
Therefore, he was UNSAVED during most (if not all) of his ministry.
Phillyflash:
An observation that Mn is reluctant to express, for the record my boggle is that MN
gives the impression that these pimps are Christian believers of Christ of the bible, they’re not thus they cannot be Christians thus they cannot be saved.
(MN: MSamu, give it up! I’m not going to go chasing down that pretty much pointless road with you. What didn’t you understand the first time I said I am not going to have this conversation? )
MSamu, give it up! I’m not going to go chasing down that pretty much pointless road with you. What didn’t you understand the first time I said I am not going to have this conversation?
i.e.-”Rabbit hole”???
LOL
Gary V….thank you for this verse because it explains what this site is about. …….Act 20:30 Also of your own selves (meaning out of the church) shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Once again…….an abject failure to deal with the issues. Just ad hominem nonsense and an obvious inability to either properly use Scripture or think critically (not surprising, considering you despise the Holy Spirit by refusing His provision of teachers in the church. Notice there is no office of “readers”??).
This is the first generation in church history that loves ignorance enough to wallow in it proudly.
Act 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers;
1Cr 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
1Ti 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, [and] lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
2Ti 1:11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
Hbr 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Act 5:25 Then came one and told them, saying, Behold, the men whom ye put in prison are standing in the temple, and teaching the people.
Act 5:42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.
Act 15:35 Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.
Act 18:11 And he continued [there] a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.
Act 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
Rom 12:7 Or ministry, [let us wait] on [our] ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
1Cr 4:17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.
1Cr 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that [by my voice] I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an [unknown] tongue.
Gal 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti 4:11 These things command and teach.
1Ti 6:2 And they that have believing masters, let them not despise [them], because they are brethren; but rather do [them] service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.
2Ti 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach
There ya go FDM…….no exposition, just the good ol’ KJV. Why do you despise the Holy Spirit by ignoring His Word and His provision??
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
i know the united negro college fund used “a mind is a terrible thing to waste” as their slogan, but i think it should be -it’s a terrible thing to waste a mind. it makes sense to me this way.
This makes me ill. FDM, I don’t understand how you can’t see the error of the prosperity gospel and what this site is trying to do to bring that error to light. Sometimes I just sit here aghast, with my jaw dropped open at how blind you pimp defenders are, and how YOU specifically are trying to twist our genuine words of warning straight from scripture and throw those words back at us. You are ignorant of the truth sir, and will not hear the truth … having ears to hear, you still will not. I honestly believe that you are under a strong delusion brought upon you by God Himself … I cannot imagine any other way that you could be so blind as to NOT comprehend the purpose of this site. We are not here speaking perverse things to draw away desciples after us … if you had any type of Godly descernment, you would understand that. This site exists because a great apostasy has been released upon this nation (and indeed the world at large) at the hands of Word of Faith prosperity pimps who lay up for themselves treasures on this earth at the expense of those who believe and trust them, thinking (like you) that they are doing the Will of God. Who (also like you) are blind and cannot see or discern the truth when it is staring you straight in the face.
The purpose of this site is NOT to obtain a following. It is here to warn and plainly speak the truth about pimps in the pulpit. Does that term offend you? Do you even know the definition of a “pimp?” To a person who fails to understand why “prosperity pimps” are referred to as such on this site of course the term is offensive! But it truly is the best description that can be rendered for them. A street pimp makes his living LITERALLY off the backs of all his “ho’s” … when the pimp desires something, he turns to all his little ho’s who provide for his every need … the ho’s do so, because they are deceived into thinking that they NEED their pimp to provide for them … they respect their pimp and defend him! Can’t you see the similarities between regular street pimps and prosperity gospel preachers? When they desire a new thing, they turn to their congregations … anyone who gives money to a prosperity preacher is nothing less that a HO providing for his every need. They are just as duped as a regular street whore who does it because they know no other way to live. Sir, if you take offense at this analogy, it simply must be because you have no understanding of the truth of what Melvin set up this site for. To a person who is a victim of a pulpit pimp, and has ears to hear the truth, this site is a gift from God. To a person who takes offense at the truth that is boldly spoken here, this site is an abomination.
I for one, am not trying to convince you to change. I firmly believe that unless God orchestrates a change in your life, you will not change no matter how much truth you hear.
Melvin is not looking for, nor does he have a “following.” He is not trying to forcibly pull victims of the prosperity gospel away from the comfort of their pimps. All he is doing is declaring the truth to those who will listen by telling them they are free to walk away … if only they would.
I hope sir, that you come to know the truth before it is too late for you, but if not you will never be able to say you were not warned.
Actually Boo Boo (the names says it all) however, I am not a pimp defender you guys do not read well…….I am a defender of the word…….however, it seems no-one on this site has any real revelation of Jesus Christ.
You know NOTHING about why I call myself Boo Boo’s Dad buddy. The fact that you even try to talk down my name here tells me an awful lot about you! At the risk of sounding like a pimp defender myself, why do you “attack” the handle I use here, as if you had the slightest idea why I even chose it? I already stated on another post how I came about choosing my handle here, and I shall not defend my name, as if it really mattered, but like I said it shows me alot about YOU!! And when I wrote this, I had not yet read all the goings on between you and other members here on another posting, so I know you are not necessarily defending pimps, HOWEVER you are still very wrong when you say you are a defender of the word … I read enough of your writing here to know that you have NO idea how to defend the word! You were talked into a corner and you STILL have yet to defend your position with the Word of God … when are you ever going to respond to the challenges made to you to do so? You stumble over the Word my friend, and I find it quite amusing how you say you “defend” it, yet you will not respond to the questions posed to you practically begging you to do so! Defend the Word … give it your best shot! The issue that I take up with you is what you wrote above, and I quote you:
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Comment by FDM
2008-01-31 12:41:36
Gary V….thank you for this verse because it explains what this site is about. …….Act 20:30 Also of your own selves (meaning out of the church) shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
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With all due respect, what were you implying in this statement? You say that Acts 20:30 explains what this site is about … do you imply that people on this site have arisen speaking perverse things, to draw desciples after us? You have NO IDEA what this site is about. You probably saw the title “PULPIT-PIMPS” up at the top of the page and came on here looking for a fight because that name offends you. So take out the parts where I say you are a pimp defender okay … that’s fine with me, but the rest of my post stands. I have nothing more to say to you on this matter. You evoke emotions in me that ought not so to be.
(MN: And y’all have likely read the last posting of FDM on this posting. His usefulness as an example of an unbridled inability to rightly divide the word has just about come to an end. I’m sure another equally misled commenter will appear in a couple or three months on another subject. But for now FDM - I, as the benevolent dictator, declare your comments from this point on in this thread to be a waste of bandwidth. Therefore - NO more comments for you! )
BooBoo’s Dad,
Don’t let FDM get to you…Like I expressed to him in another posting, it’s much easier to resort to the blame game rather than actually admit that you are mistaken…You have probably already noted that many like FDM come and go, so I have no doubt that this issue will probably come up again in another format. In fact, I really have more pity for FDM, largely due to the fact that I was once in a place similar to his, especially regarding the KJVonlyism. Now, I still read from the KJV, and have no problem with it, but I certainly bounce it off of other trusted translations as well (I’m particularly falling in love more and more with the beauty of the ESV ever since it was introduced to me by a dear brother at a local bible bookstore. Just a personal preference though.) My point is, the KJV (especially the OT) is the most user-friendly translation for the pimps because they know that they can “translate on the spot” their version of the meaning. And since they realize that because of some of the challenging archaic language their parishioners probably won’t look it up, they can get away with just about any interpretation they can conjure up. I even had a minister at one of our former churches tell us that it was unneccesary to look up the Hebrew and Greek because “you don’t have to get that deep gawd already gave ME the revelation to give to you”. Yeah, I know right…Forget about the fact that the bible was originally written in these languages. Furthermore, FDM and many others seem to misunderstand that many of the regulars on this site have have had personal encounters with some of the very pimps featured on here, or have been pimped in ways that are unimaginable by some charlatans nobody has ever heard of. Due to these facts, our sole purpose is to do everything within the grace and ability that God gives us to shield our brothers and sisters from the same heartache. Thank goodness for some it was only weeks, but for others it was months, and still yet for others YEARS. So if I can spare somebody one day from these hustlers, I give glory to God and my joy is full. Anyway, it’s good to have your fresh perspective on the site, and look forward to sharing with you in the future.
Soli Deo Gloria,
R4C
My only concern is obeying the Lord because he is coming back soon and he is going to judge us according to Paul’s gospel and all that are not in line with Paul’s gospel will be destroyed. That is why I share the truth…..it is up to you;to determine what you want from it. In the bible he says that the truth will be evil spoken of and in 1John it says: we are of God: he that knows God hears us; he that is not of God hears NOT US. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. (MN: The rest of this was deleted. He started mindlessly quoting scripture. )
(MN: FDM- I told you: No more comments from you on this thread since you insist on mindlessly repeating scripture rather than participating in an actual discussion. Please show a little Christian character and not try to slip in unnoticed. )
Yes………..FDM is right and we’re all wrong. Only he has the revelation of Jesus Christ. Funny how Jesus and the Holy Spirit didn’t help you dig yourself out of the theological rat hole you dug here. I guess they guided you to just lash out rather than respond.
This is so scary and just plain oid terrible. What is going on in the pulpits?
He needed to go to jail for a very long time.
We have got to pray!!
I was a member of Earl Paulk’s church for many years and I can tell you without any reservation, Earl Paulk’s church is a cult. We were very carefully taught to believe that every word from Paulk’s lips was a word directly from God, and to obey his (Paulk’s) words without question, because to question Paulk was to question God. That church in Dekalb co. is nothing but a cult and I feel nothing but pity towards those still tangled there. I hope they come to their senses. Speaking as one who got out, I’m just grateful to be able to look back on my experience at the Cathedral as something in the past. Earl Paulk and his family members have been molesting young girls and women there for decades, it is only in the last couple of years that their behavior has been reaping consequences. Thank goodness for the local Atlanta Fox news station and their investigative reporter for putting this vital information out there! Perhaps this will save a few young women from being victimized. If that weren’t bad enough, the rest of us, who didn’t get molested by a Paulk, were also victimized through the spiritual and financial manipulation worked on us for years. There is no telling how many millions of dollars faithful Cathedral members have handed over to the Paulks to continue their evil ways. At one time I believed the Cathedral was a real church. Now I know it’s nothing but a huge lie. The whole place needs to be shut down, torn down and build something there that will benefit the entire community. The space is wasted on that pit of iniquity that is there now.
ExCHHC, thank you so much for joining us and giving us the wonderful testimony of God’s goodness to you.
Welcome aboard!!
Earl is a step above a “pulpit-pimp.”
Earl Paulk is a MACK!
But ya’ll don’t know nothing about that, do you?
A “mack” is someone who likes to use force to seduce women.
In truth, if Earl Paulk was ever saved, based on his recent actions, and willingness to sin-I DO KNOW THAT HE’S NO LONGER SAVED!
(MN: So you’re saying he was saved and lost his salvation - as in “no longer saved”. Correct? A question for you Seekerman, where along the line did he lose his salvation? Did he lose it when he was laying with his sister-in-law? Or did he lose it when he thought real hard about laying with her? Or maybe he lost it when he lay with whoever he hooked up with before that. On second thought, let’s assume that he was saved before he got married. Did he lose his salvation when he failed to live with his with his wife as the weaker vessel? Maybe he lost it when he stood before the congregation and lied, telling them he had done nothing wrong. Or surely he lost it when he hooked up with the little girl (assuming the accusation is true).
But enough about him. Have you sinned enough to lose your salvation? How much is enough? When you exceeded the speed limit last week - was that enough for God to revoke your salvation? Or when you failed to give your job a full eight hours of work for the eight hours of pay they gave you, was that enough to cause God to revoke your salvation? Or how about the last time you lied to your wife, or you boss, or your friend? Was that enough to have God revoke your salvation? How much do you have to sin before it becomes clear that you have lost your salvation?
Yes folks, I know we are chasing an old issue, but I am really interested in seeing how Seekerman handles with without some fuzzy double standards or really slick two-stepping. )
The fact that this cat was able to seemingly sin with impunity, yet comfortably wear the mantle of a spiritual shepherd, is kinda mind boggling.
(Does anyone know where I can purchase a copy or “Marjoe In Pants”?)
Now I know some of you reformed types on here may have a problem with some of what I said, especially in regards to him no longer being saved, but give me a break,I’M A METHODIST-WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU EXPECT?
(MN: I would expect allegiance to the Bible, not allegiance to a tradition. )
Well it’s like this Melvin, my referencing myself as a Methodist, was to be taken in a light hearted way, even though there’s much truth contained in that statement.
As far as when someone loses their salvation, well, that’s not for me to decide when, for I don’t have to. That’s between God and that individual. (MN: So you don’t know if you are saved or not? How much sin can take you [Seekerman] out of God’s hands? Or do you just consider whether or not you FEEL saved? I guess the bottom line is: What is your salvation dependent on - your efforts to live righteously and your feelings, or God’s faithfulness? If it’s your efforts and your feelings, how can you ever know for certain if you are saved at any particular moment? )
All I do know, is that if someone sins with impunity, to where they have no guilt, and feel no personal conflicts within, then that person, if they were saved, is no longer saved. (MN: Are they “no longer saved” or never saved in the first place? )
This is why everyone should be reformed. Mistakes in theology wouldn’t happen. Cross over to the truth side people. There is room in the Reformed Tradition for all of you. We can induct you today.
(Locutus: Lower your shields. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile…)
I said:
Well it’s like this Melvin, my referencing myself as a Methodist, was to be taken in a light hearted way, even though there’s much truth contained in that statement.
As far as when someone loses their salvation, well, that’s not for me to decide when, for I don’t have to. That’s between God and that individual. (MN: But what if that individual is YOU? How do you knoe YOU are saved? )
MN: So you don’t know if you are saved or not?
My response:
Nooooo, that’s not what I am saying at all. I know that I’m saved by grace, through faith…
(MN: But how much sin in your life will negate that grace? )
MN: How much sin can take you [Seekerman] out of God’s hands?
My response:
I’m afraid you lost me… (MN: If these people we addrss have lost their salvation, how much sin did it take for them to lose their salvation. Along those lines, how much sin would it take for you to lose your salvation? And how will you know that you lost it? )
MN: Or do you just consider whether or not you FEEL saved?
My response:
Oh nooooooooo, my salvation has nothing to do with what I feel, but my faith…
MN: I guess the bottom line is:
My response:
Yeah, tell me what your bottomline is.
MN: What is your salvation dependent on - your efforts to live righteously and your feelings, or God’s faithfulness?
My response:
I see. Well my salvation is dependent upon God’s faithfulness, which will be evidenced by my works.
MN: If it’s your efforts and your feelings, how can you ever know for certain if you are saved at any particular moment?
My response:
Read the below statement of mine which I posted up previously:
“All I do know, is that if someone sins with impunity, to where they have no guilt, and feel no personal conflicts within, then that person, if they were saved, is no longer saved. ”
Now mind you, I’m not saying that this type of person will feel saved, or not-that’s not even the issue from where I’m standing. Rather, I’m saying that if a person continues to sin with impunity, to where they no longer feel any sense of conviction, even in a minute kind of way, then either they were never saved, and if they were saved-THEY ARE NO LONGER SAVED. (MN: Same question. At what point did they become “no longer saved”? )
MN: Are they “no longer saved” or never saved in
My response:
I think I answered that question in my above statement… (MN: No, you didn’t. My primary question are: What did the pimps do to finally lose their salvation. Were they saved and then lost it or were they never saved to begin wtih? If they lost it, at what point did they lose it? Please try again. )
Excellent deconstruction Melvin
MN: What did the pimps do to finally lose their salvation. Were they saved and then lost it or were they never saved to begin wtih? If they lost it, at what point did they lose it
I said:
Well it’s like this Melvin, my referencing myself as a Methodist, was to be taken in a light hearted way, even though there’s much truth contained in that statement.
As far as when someone loses their salvation, well, that’s not for me to decide when, for I don’t have to. That’s between God and that individual.
Whereas Melvin said:
But what if that individual is YOU? How do you knoe YOU are saved?
My response:
Even though you may not like my answer, because it doesn’t fit well into a clever comeback, but I think I answered that question in depth, previously. Did I not tell you, and others reading my words, that I am saved by grace, through faith, which presupposes that I have faith in knowing that I am saved, by way of grace?
So where’s the controversy, or for that matter, what are you trying to make me say here? I’m afraid I don’t understand. (MN: Your previous statements [lost his salvation] seems to imply that we are saved by faith but kept by works - a basic Arminian position. Nothing you have said so far addresses this. I moved to you because you are quite right - you can’t pronounce salvation or lack of over another person. So are you saying that we are saved by faith but kept by works - those works being to stay away from sin? )
MN: So you don’t know if you are saved or not?
My response:
Nooooo, that’s not what I am saying at all. I know that I’m saved by grace, through faith…
(MN: But how much sin in your life will negate that grace? )
MN: How much sin can take you [Seekerman] out of God’s hands?
My response:
I’m afraid you lost me… (MN: If God saved you by grace, but you can lose the salvation, how much do you have to sin in order to lose that salvation? That is, how much sin is considered “sinning with impunity (to use your phraseology - though I suspect you mean to sin without a feeling of conviction or something along those lines). If God is absolutely perfect and holy, why would he not take away my salvation ANY TIME I sin? If a series of great big sins (however one would measure their bigness) is enough for God to unsave me, if He is perfectly holy, why wouldn’t a series of small sins be enough for Him to unsave me? And if He is truly perfect and holy, why wouldn’t a single big sin or even a single small sin be enough to unsave me? )
Whereas Melvin said:
If these people we addrss have lost their salvation, how much sin did it take for them to lose their salvation. Along those lines, how much sin would it take for you to lose your salvation? And how will you know that you lost it?
My response:
As I said before in my previous response concerning others, so say I now and again, by the previous quote of mine, being offered once again:
“As far as when someone loses their salvation, well, that’s not for me to decide when, for I don’t have to. That’s between God and that individual. ”
Now, as far as how much it would take for me to lose my salvation, well, in case you didn’t know, that IS UP TO THE SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD, AND NOT MYSELF! Only God will know these limits, and not myself, but you can pretty much know the season, especially if someone, begins to sin with impunity, to where there is no Godly conviction, which results in being a reprobate mind. (MN: So by the standard you have attributed to God, it’s possible that you are unsaved even as we speak? Afterall, there isn’t a standard set of sins or standard magnitude of sins. And you may, given that you are imperfect, misjudge the “season.” )
MN: Or do you just consider whether or not you FEEL saved?
My response:
Oh nooooooooo, my salvation has nothing to do with what I feel, but my faith…
MN: I guess the bottom line is:
My response:
Yeah, tell me what your bottomline is.
MN: What is your salvation dependent on - your efforts to live righteously and your feelings, or God’s faithfulness?
My response:
I see. Well my salvation is dependent upon God’s faithfulness, which will be evidenced by my works.
MN: If it’s your efforts and your feelings, how can you ever know for certain if you are saved at any particular moment?
My response:
Read the below statement of mine which I posted up previously:
“All I do know, is that if someone sins with impunity, to where they have no guilt, and feel no personal conflicts within, then that person, if they were saved, is no longer saved. ”
Now mind you, I’m not saying that this type of person will feel saved, or not-that’s not even the issue from where I’m standing. Rather, I’m saying that if a person continues to sin with impunity, to where they no longer feel any sense of conviction, even in a minute kind of way, then either they were never saved, and if they were saved-THEY ARE NO LONGER SAVED.
Whereas Melvin said:
Same question. At what point did they become “no longer saved”?
My responses again, with the fear of sounding redundant:
“As far as when someone loses their salvation, well, that’s not for me to decide when, for I don’t have to. That’s between God and that individual.”
“Only God will know these limits, and not myself, but you can pretty much know the season, especially if someone, begins to sin with impunity, to where there is no Godly conviction, which results in being a reprobate mind.”
Simply put, God’s sovereignty is enough to determine when the plug will be pulled…
MN: Are they “no longer saved” or never saved in
My response:
I think I answered that question in my above statement…
Whereas Melvin said:
No, you didn’t. My primary question are: What did the pimps do to finally lose their salvation. Were they saved and then lost it or were they never saved to begin wtih? If they lost it, at what point did they lose it? Please try again.
My response:
No, I’m afraid that you’re going to have to try again, because as I said in the above-I’ve already answered your questions. You may not have liked my responses, but your not appreciating my responses, isn’t what makes an unanswered question, or question..
(MN: It’s not a matter of me not liking your answer. I am simply