Apparently, that’s how John K. Jenkins, the pastor of First Baptist Church of Glenarden sees me - Armed and dangerous.
A couple of Sundays ago, my wife wanted to attend communion service at FBCG. They have it at night. My wife really doesn’t drive that well at night and she really wanted to attend. So I took her…and stayed…for the entire service.
I met several friends from before my departure from that ball of doctrinal confusion. And I have to say I really felt a certain compassion for them. I miss them. I also discovered that I feel really sorry for them and the foolishness they are caught up in. But that’s neither here nor there.
The point of the post is to let you know that I apparently have the attention of the leadership of FBCG. The mother of a friend of mine is still a member and serves in a leadership capacity within the music ministry. And I, through God’s sovereignty, ended up sitting right beside her when we found seats.
A couple of days later I got an e-mail from my friend relaying a statement his mother made to him. It turns out that security (those guys walking around with the earpiece in their ear), kept me under surveillance the whole time I was there!
Remember, this church building can hold 4000 people at a sitting and the sanctuary was at least half full (2000+ people). Would you care to tell me why this man was wasting his time and emotion on watching me?
I guess maybe he was worried that I was going to stand up and start shouting “Free Peggy! Free Peggy!” or maybe rush the stage and spray the audience with the truth.
You have to wonder what these people are thinking about. Is he so nervous about what he’s doing that he feels he has to watch my every move? Does he, for some reason, equate telling the truth about him and his activities and relations with being willing to commit a violent act there in the church building or anywhere else, or to disrupt the goings on?
You gotta feel sorry for these men and women. They cheat God, they cheat their congregation and TV audience, and they cheat the people who watch and listen to them through the various media.
So much for being willing to die for the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
By the way, it’s that time of year again. T. Dexter is coming in for the annual revival at the D.C. Convention Center, January 2 through January 4, 2008.
That would be Jan 2-Jan 8 correct ?
(MN: Yeah, well, uh… I was just seeing if you people are paying attention. Yeah! That’s the ticket! And I’m glad to tell you that you passed!!! )
I have been visiting FBCG for sometime now and a few hours ago I prayed to God to lay on my spirit whether or not I should join. Listening to your recording just confirmed in my spirit that FBCG is the place for me and I plan on joining tomorrow.
(MN: Folks, I trust you can see the danger of trusting an experience like “prayer to God to lay on my spirit whether or not I should join.” We’ve spent a good deal of time giving a fairly close examination to the goings on at FBCG, pastored by John K. Jenkins. I guess this person either really believes that they can’t learn for his or herself, or this is one of the efforts of the sycophantic team to attempt to minimize all we have said in the various postings. Let’s assume that this is not John commenting. With this, you can see that no matter what is clearly demonstrated, short of God intervening, they are going to follow John no matter what. Should we stop warning them? No. The Bible says we should sound the alarm. And if they don’t heed, the blood is on their heads. )
I pray that God touches you and all of your “followers”. Instead of spending your time condemning those that are called to service please consider spending what precious time God gives you every morning you wake up to bless and serve others through “your” calling. Maybe instead of showing what “you” see as negative maybe you can bless them with your prayers, with you mouth and with your words. Instead of finding fault try to listen not at what the man of God is saying but what God is trying to say to you through them. (MN: What they are saying is “You can’t teach yourself! You need to follow my vision! If you bless the mand of Gawd, then God will bless you!” None of this is in the Bible or consistent with what God actually says. So tell me again why I should try to hear God through the pimps and pimpettes. ) I am not sure what happened to you while you were at FBCG that was so great that you have found it necessary to put all this time and energy into putting down other children of God. Instead of judging, condemning, or hating them I urge you to pray for, bless, and serve them as Jesus would have you do. Instead of judging you, I end this blog with a blessing to you and your family and everyone that reads this. With love, A Child of God. (MN: Instead of trying to find fault with what I am doing, why not read your Bible and see if I am consistent with what it says we should do. )
Can I ask why you asked God to “lay on your spirit” if you should join, when He’s given you a Bible? It seems you awaited a sign and listening to audio here was your sign to join. Do you really think seeking a sign is good considering Luke 11:29?
When you desire to weigh if you should be part of a church assembly, test what is there against the scriptures, 1 John 4:1 and Acts 17:10-12.
Scripture is our best guide to test from. If it’s good enough to measure an apostle of the Lord Jesus, it’s good enough to use regarding John Jenkins and Jenkins’ words fail to line up.
The apostle Paul spent literally years warning saints of people who would come with false doctrines, Acts 20:29-31. So don’t feel a web blog addressing such issues is a bad thing.
Mr. Independent, Unfortunately Luke 11:29 is not dealing with our generation, attempting to
use this scripture for today is a bit of a stretch , Christ was dealing with his contemporary’s.
Regarding 1John 4:1, if you continue John gives us an understanding for this statement,
1John 4:2,3 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.
He’s instructing believers to beware of the antichrist that was at that time in the world,
Question, is it unscriptural to ask God’s spirit for guidence?
and what is the job of the Holy Spirit???
keeper of the flame - Do you feel this generation is good? Do you feel that seeking signs is a good thing? With a Bible in your hand, do you need more? Is faith with what we have from scripture not enough? I find Luke 11:29 to be most fitting.
Yes 1 John 4 gives instructions and I say Jenkins preaches of another Jesus. If we weigh his teaching against 1 Timothy 6, we find he’s the man that sees godliness as a means for personal financial gain. That is what he’s promoting, not the gospel of Christ.
Jenkins speaks of another Jesus. One who is about you living for your own gain. His Holy Spirit does not guide anyone, Jenkins’ Holy Spirit requires John Jenkins in order to be effective. Only Jenkins can teach and he’s said it himself. That is not of God, that is not the message of Christ.
Anyone can ask for wisdom NOT SIGNS and God will give it to them, James 1:5-8. That wisdom helps saints see John Jenkins is teaching another gospel.
The Holy Spirit seals and helps the believer come to the truth, He does not have saints follow John Jenkins.
Mr. IC
First, what generation can be considered good? And what does that have to do with an erroneous interpretation. The point is, Christ was not specking to our generation, correct interpretation is essential to correct understanding, forcing your interpretation and then attempting to defend it is what the pimps do.
Secondly, is it unscriptural to seek a sign? Is it safe or wise no, does it show it lack of faith, yes but it’s not unscriptural. Yes we have scripture, but the gentleman was seeking guidance, not a sign. Again where in scripture are we commanded not to seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit????
Thirdly, without a doubt John Jenkins is a false teacher, the scripture you referenced is dealing with how to identify the spirit of the antichrist, this person or persons would deny Christ had come in the flesh, again time relevant is critical. If Jenkins denies Christ had come in the flesh then yes he’s antichrist, if he confesses Christ had come in the Flesh then what he has is bad doctrine, this is how one is known of God
1Tim 4:6, 2Tim 3:10, 2Jphn 1:9. 2John 1:10
KOTF,
Am I missing something? What exactly are you arguing/defending? IC was not attempting to give an interpretation which would violate the original author/speaker’s intent but rather to give an application that IS time relevant to the present situation. In other words, if something was deemed foolish by Christ in one generation, specifically seeking after a sign, it would stand to reason that it would yet be foolish, correct? Especially in light of the fact that we have the completed revelation of God through the scriptures. A revelation that was at the time yet being revealed. If Christ warned of seeking after signs during the REVEALING of God’s will, it definitely makes sense that those signs were increasingly unnecessary to seek as time went on, yes?
Child of God was seeking for God to “lay it on my spirit”. Where is that in the bible? By the way, after the “spirit” lays it down are we supposed to then pick it up and run with it?
We are indeed instructed to seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit but that seeking is to be done within scripture, not without. Read Psalm 19 and then give me a scenario that the scriptures are inadequate to address, including where to worship.
Sorry if I come off harsh, condescending, or inconsiderate but reading your post was confusing to say the least.
To keeper of the flame,
It’s a new year and the same old problems. I thought me and msamu were the only ones who could see this here. Also you’re right about the word antichrist, 1 John 2:22 and 1 John 4:2-3. Happy New year people!!!!
KOTF,
They got their guidance from a prime example of what makes John Jenkins someone to avoid. I will not be the one to claim they got that notion to join with Jenkins from the Holy Spirit. They saught something other than scripture, a sign.
If you feel my view of the scriptures makes me part of the lot of false teachers, you have the option to do so.
The Mormons claim they have Christ too.
(MN: KOTF, please be advised that that we have discussed preterist views ’til the cows came home. They are now in the stable. I really don’t want to wander back down that path to any great degree any time soon. )
Mr Lawrence D, I respectfully disagree with your application of the scripture in question, every generation can claim and probably has claimed the “this generation “statement somehow relates to their generation, But scripture refutes that claim. Christ is clearly dealing with the generation before him, similarities to other generations is coincidental at best; since theirs “nothing new under the sun” it’s understandable, nonetheless erroneous your reading into scripture what’s not there.
There’s enough scriptures dealing with the fundamentals of Christian faith, responsibilities and growth ect, but the scripture used is not one of them. Christ warned against seeking signs, Christ did not command we not, COG in seeking for God to “lay it on my spirit” is a terminology, it’s clear he’s seeking guidance and not a sign, Pro 3:5 encourages the believer to seek not his own understanding but in acknowledging him (GOD),= seeking God, he God through the Holy Spirit will direct the believer’s path, My observation maybe incorrect but it seems COG is seeking to acknowledge God (a good thing), expecting God’s Holy Spirit to direct his path; sounds like faith to me.
Can one be led of the Holy Spirit or God without ever having read scripture?
(MN: Some say yes, you can. A lot of the folks in the WoF churches do exactly that. )
To MN, Thats cool if you think you put us in a stable lol. No, nothing interesting to talk about for me thats all. How do you know he is a preterist scince I know you love that word so much lol. I guest the stable was open lol were back!!! Btw I don’t know this person, and I didn’t send him here o.k. So please don’t blame me or msamu for this MN. If you kept reading that bible of your’s it will always keep coming up my friend lol. The stable that was funny!!!
(MN: I didn’t say he was a preterist. I pointed out that we have had plenty of time to explore the preterist view - which is what he was presenting. I didn’t say you knew him, nor did I think you did. I am simply restricting the conversation from wandering down a preterist road. I didn’t think you sent him here. You’re not the only person with that view who visits the site. )
Mr. MN, I’ve heard of preterist, I’m not sure what it is they believe so I’m not sure what you’re implying? The scripture in question is Luke 11:29, correct interpretation is not determined by one’s denomination it’s determined by scripture, if a preterist or any other denomination follows the rules of interpretation and concludes that Christ is dealing with his contemporary’s where’s the error? What method is being used to justify applying Luke 11:29 to today?? Remember Quod non est biblicum, non est theologicum.
KOTF,
Obviously you are struggling to denote the difference between “interpretation” and “application”. I don’t have time to give you a hermenuetics lesson but please take the time to investigate the difference between the two terms. IC was making an “application” not an “interpretation”.
Neither he, nor I, were forcing a meaning (interpretation) into the scripture that was not there. We were both taking what was there to find relevance to the present situation which we were discussing (application).
By the way, the word generation was not at all being discussed. It was, in fact, the folly of seeking after signs that was in dispute. If, as you claim, you didn’t feel that COG asking God to “lay it on my spirit” was evidence of seeking after a sign, then you could have just said that. But to spout off about an word which was not being disputed in the first place, only shows that your comprehension, of what was being discussed, was way off.
(KOTF) Christ warned against seeking signs, Christ did not command we not
(BLD) All I have to say to this is WHAT? Are you serious? How in the world does this help your case? Isn’t Christ warning against something enough? Does he have to say “thou shalt not” to satify you? Wow, I think you should check the pilot light on that flame! It might have gone out.
(KOTF) Can one be led of the Holy Spirit or God without ever having read scripture?
(BLD) Here’s an answer to your question. Yes a person can be led by the Holy Spirit (who IS God by the way) without ever having read scripture. Do you want to know how? By the Holy Spirit using someone WHO HAS read scripture! Also, guess where the Holy Spirit will lead such an individual? Yep, you guessed it, right to the bible. See how fun this is? Any other since of being led by the Holy Spirit reeks of mysticism.
Also, to DTG, his obsfucation of the discussion by focusing on the word generation, which was not even in view, is what betrayed his preterist bent. That is what you all do. You focus on one word IN A TEXT (generation in this case), apart from it’s CONTEXT (seeking after signs), which reveals your PRETEXT (only what we say applies to today applies and nothing else, oh, and by the way, what we say applies this week to all may next week only apply to the first century).
The bottom line is this, COG claimed to be led of the Holy Spirit to join an apostate ministry. If this is anyone’s evidence of the validity of this kind of “leading”, then that person may be beyond reasoning.
Mr Lawrence D
I will agree with your terminology, application is a way better word, but again what method is being used to apply this scripture to COG current conundrum?
My understanding of what was being discussed was spot on, it was the application of the scripture (LUKE 11:29) and it’s use, that’s what I was addressing, the phase generation was merely a byproduct, again I was addressing it’s use.
Mr. Lawrence D, when has asking God to “lay on ones spirit” become looking for a sign? Where’s he going to lay it?
You also asked “where in scripture can you find the phase “lay it on my spirit” please direct me to scripture were the words or phase such as Immaculate Conception, Trinity, or Sovereignty of God appear, the Phase “lay on ones spirit” cannot be found in scripture, but like the other phases it’s implied. What’s implied? That one seek guidance’s from The Holy Spirit. When praying are we not expecting? and if expection are we then asking for a sign?
COG’s problem was he lacked patience, among other things he didn’t “wait on the Lord” he followed the desires of his heart, not the will of God; asking was the correct thing to do, heres where he dropped the ball, his answer did not line up with scripture. Also when asking God for guidance we of course should be led to and hopefully by scripture, but one maybe asking for a particular type of leader, or ministry a Paul type, a John type, a Timothy type, all have truth but different personalities, when in doubt ask, he is your father.
Back to signs, Mr. Lawrence D, what are the “signs” of his coming?
KOTF,
Where in scripture is it IMPLIED that God lays things on OUR spirits? When I asked the question, I wasn’t talking about the phrase specifically (I have a sneaking suspicion that you knew that already but because you don’t have an answer you chose to divert the attention away, again) I was talking about the concept.
It seems that we agree that COG arrived at the wrong conclusion. The place where we disagree is in HOW COG arrived at that conclusion. Any decision made based on a feeling, intuition, emotion, dream, or any other mystical experience is a highly suspect decision.
When I ask God for His guidance my expectation is that He will use His word, illuminated by the Holy Spirit, to guide me. I don’t expect the “bells and whistles” that others seem to desire. Why? Because Satan has his own set of “bells and whistles” that he uses to deceive. If you don’t believe that, just ask Joseph Smith, Ellen White, David Koresh, Charles Manson, etc. A strict adherence to the teachings of scripture would have prevented all of these and more from “deceiving and being deceived”.
So while you and others wait on answers to be “laid” on “your spirit”, I’ll be reading my bible and being transformed by the renewing of my mind so that I “may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.” (Romans 12:2b, NASB)
Mr. Lawrence D: I do hope you’re not being obtuse, I said and I was clear I believed COG was seeking guidance; he used a phrase that cannot be found in scripture; along with other phrases I named that cannot be found. I also made it clear he was “not led back to scripture” and was led by his own desires thus he was led away from truth. The fact that one would seek scripture when seeking guidance is case and point that something is laid on ones spirit, why would ones flesh seek the word of God?, flesh seeks self unless moved by the Holy Spirit to seek God. I agree that any mystical experience along with any doctrinal teachings should be meant with skepticism and must be examined using scripture. As far as Satan, we are encouraged to dress for the day by putting on the whole armor of God, the believers trials are ordained by God, we endure these trials by trusting in his word. About the bells and whistles, brother I get them every day as I open my word, it’s a wonderful chorus of praise expressed in gratitude. Aman
hi kotf,
can you please interpret Quod non est biblicum, non est theologicum. thanx.
Mrs Maverick: Quod non est biblicum, non est theologicum means (What is not biblical is not theological)
KOTF,
This will be my last attempt at being reasonable with the unreasoning. As to your hope concerning whether or not I am being obtuse, I’ll answer with this:
ob·tuse /əbˈtus, -ˈtyus/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uhb-toos, -tyoos] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
,adjective 1. not quick or alert in perception, feeling, or intellect; not sensitive or observant; dull.
2. not sharp, acute, or pointed; blunt in form.
3. (of a leaf, petal, etc.) rounded at the extremity.
4. indistinctly felt or perceived, as pain or sound.
Now not to toot my own horn but it is very rare that any of these definitions would apply to me, intellectually. Okay, so that is tooting my own horn. Regardless of that, I am definitely not being obtuse in this matter.
I asked for biblical support for even the idea of “God laying it on my spirit” and you provided none. Are you being obtuse? Or are you just unable to provide the support?
This parting of the flesh and spirit when seeking God is gnostic dualism. The renewed, regenerated spirit of the believer overcomes the flesh and “buffets his body” in order that he may seek and obey God continually. He approaches God, though imperfectly, as one whole man. So the question remains, and you haven’t even come close to an answer, where is the idea that it is “on the spirit” that God lays instruction?
When I read, it is with my eyes. The information is then translated in my brain, God’s super computer. The Holy Spirit then gives illumination so that the value of what has just been read is perceived. The heart/mind is renewed and transformed by the Word of God. It is conditioned to respond to each situation accordingly. Prayer is also a vital step in this process as it turns our hearts and, therefore focus, towards God’s will. The prayer should be directed as Jesus said, “Give us this day our daily bread”, which is scripture. Any questions?
KOTF, you’re redefining terms. :Laying it on my spirit” is a popular expression with a fixed meaning……….one gets shivers or some sort of mystical communication from God. That’s what is meant by the vast majority of those who employ this term.
Mr Lawrence D merely made the reasonable assumption that since you used the term,you used it as nearly everyone else uses it. You redefined the term away from its popular definition.
You are both talking past each other because you don’t hold the same definition for the term. No biggie there,I really doubt you really disagree with each other at all.
BTW,welcome aboard!!
Mr gary V, thank you,
Mr Lawrence D, peace
Child of God,
I need a few answers. TD Jakes is visiting FBCG very soon. Do agree with TD Jakes Oneness theology? Do you agree with his Prosperity Message? If so then just quit reading. If not then is it wise for Pastor Jenkins to associate himself with people who promote the afore mentioned theology?
Kyle
COG said:
“Instead of finding fault try to LISTEN NOT AT WHAT THE MAN OF GOD IS SAYING BUT WHAT GOD IS TRYING TO SAY TO YOU THROUGH THEM.” (Emphasis mine)
R4C says: If I am to hear what God is saying to me THROUGH THEM, don’t I have to actually listen to what THEY ARE SAYING? Are you implying that we need some type of interpretation as to what John is talking about so that we can hear God in his message? Oh, okay, so we’re on the same page, good!!! I’m glad you understand that in order to interpret John’s homiletical display, we’d have to use the bible as our main interpretive tool to see if it’s in there. Good observation COG!!! Hang on a sec, let me just run a reference in my good ole’ pc study bible to see if John’s concept falls within any biblical framework…
Search results: Not found. Well, seems we have a problem COG. It appears that we won’t be able to really know what God is saying because what John is saying is not in God’s book. Looks like you might have to study up on this one for yourself…Oh, gosh-golly, COG I forgot to mention something. The pastor of the church you wish to affiliate with believes that you can’t teach yourself. So I guess you can forget about gawd “laying” anything on your spirit until he lays it on John’s first. You know, your comment was not all in vain though. As I read the part about “not listening” to the man of gawd but “listening to what God has to say through them”, I suddenly felt a burst of nostalgia. I seem to remember a great philosopher once uttering these words: “Smoking kills. If you’re killed, you’ve lost a very important part of your life.” Call me crazy, but I couldn’t help but notice how strikingly similar this quote and yours was as it relates to meaning, common sense and depth. Maybe that person attends FBGC as well…
Child of God’s comment reminds me of the reason that I gave myself for joining a church right after I moved to a new city for my first professional job after law school.
I was so desperate to find a church home that I dressed for church that first Sunday and told myself ( I am almost embarrassed to say) that I would go to the first church that God gave me an impression about. I believe the Lord allowed me to follow through on my plan (emphasis on my plan not God’s). So I drove around and found a church based on an impression I had in my spirit. Now I knew nothing about the leadership or what they believed but I ended up joining because the pastor had a “spiritual” revelation and called out my name. Now I told a friend about this later and she wisely told me that perhaps the Pastor saw my name on a check from when I gave into the offering. Of course, I was so into being a follower of men that I disregarded immediatley what she said. As time went on I began to know this Pastor was a pimp. Now I would not have used that term at the time but thanks to my brother Melvin I now have added that term to my spiritual vocabulary (thanks Melvin!!).
Long story short, Child of God, I hope you were just joking when you said that you planned to join this Church tomorrow. Why not pray with your Bible open and seek God’s council rather than relying on one message preached by a Pastor you really don’t know.
I can safely say that you don’t know Pastor Jenkins because you stated that you have been going to this church for sometime. I have learned the hard way that you learn absoloutely nothing about the leadership if you just attend services and rely on your subjective feelings. I want to give Child of God some scripture but I don’t know if he or she will read them. If Child of God is interested he or she can email me directly but C of G will have to ask Melvin for my email. Thanks.
Child Of God , why don’t you lay out the BIBLICAL defense for what Jenkins is preaching?? I notice you didn’t even TRY to defend his stupidity. Why not??
Rhetorical question……….I know why you don’t try to defend Jenkins’ pimpery. You CAN’T. HE CAN’T. But you don’t care that what he does is contrary to Scripture, do ya??
As long as there are Biblically illiterate sheeple like you out there, the apostasy is guaranteed to progress.
that is pure comedy…you better make sure that the phones arent tapped, check for any weird repair vans in the vicinity of your home, and you might just want to invest in a remote starter for your car….i’m just saying,lol
Gee Melvin, You took it to ANOTHER LEVEL and didnt even know it. Its a shame they only know how to defend the pastor with guards instead of Bible scripture. I often wonder if these guards accompany him to his Palace…er home as well. When ever a pastor puts a fence of people between himself and the members of the church it screams of pimpdom.
Well said Cop, you are totally right. I have never in my life witnessed more scripture being quoted out of context than I have by the Paula White defenders. It is people like that that will say, “but Lord, we prophesied, preached and casted out devils in your name” and Jesus will reply to them “depart from me you worker of iniquity.” Judgement day will be a rude awakening for so many.
People have to realize that so much of the church
is in an apostate or near apostate condition with
man made rules and traditions taking the forefront.
The rule of man is replacing the rule of the Word
and the Holy Spirit is being ushered to the door in
place of Madison Ave., tactics for evangelism and
fund raising.
When Christ returns…will he find faith on the earth?
When you look at him through Matthew 23 you see what is going on.
Disgusting! How can someone do something like single a person out based upon their own insecurity and immaturity?
It is mind boggling that someone would “waste his time and emotion on watching” a parishioner.
This really struck a nerve in me. I know that this did not affect you at all, Mr. Melvin. It just disgusted me. Ugh!
The antics of these pimps and pimpettes have got to stop now.
T.D. is coming, T.D. is coming. (Mean while in T.Dexters mind: MONEY COMIN, MONEY COMIN, order some more copies of Reposition youself, I see myself breaking thru AGAIN, and so can you for $19.95.)
You know, when you tell the truth, it seems the Lord has people look out for you free of charge considering Acts 18.
Assuming the message Melvin received is true, I wonder if the security surveillance of Melvin was requested by Jenkins himself or one of his lackeys?
I am thinking that this was probably an independent effort. Unless they have wanted posters posted up in the security office with your picture on them.
(MN: You really think I’m that..uh..infamous over there? Surely the folks on security have no clue as to who I am. Actually, I’m not sure which is worse - that they would know who I am or that John woud notice that I was there. )
This had to be an effort by someone with authority over the security team. So either Jenkins or one of his trusted hands initiated it.
I will keep you and your wife in prayer. I hope they don’t try and make it difficult for your wife. I remember when I was at ET and JHB guards would give me the mean who will look away first stare down. One of them had the nerve to tell me once I would have to give up my seat to a quest visitor. Needless to say I still had that sister/girl from around the way in me, and he got the look “if you don’t get the H - - L!” out of my face….LOL(just keeping it real) Then after awhile I just started laughing at them.
It’s amazing how ET was more worried about me questioning Biblical truth more so then if I had known then all the secrets that were being hide regarding is personal issue’s.
Melvin, sorry I could not make the conference, had computer servers issues at work. I am sorry I missed it. I hoped someone taped it and I can send in my 29.95 for the DVD set. However, when I send my love offering of 29.95 to you, I want my you to also send me a prayer cloth that will bless me forever just because you prayed over it. (chuckle) Keep up the great work Melvin and Merry Christmas to you and the family.
(MN: John Coleman taped it and is trying to figure out how to get the info out to the public. He should be getting back to me in a couple of weeks with some info.
I suggested he store it out on my server and make it available for downloading. It’ll probably spike my bandwidth a bit but it shouldn’t damage my limp-wristed budget too much.. )
I wouldn’t worry too much. When churches are that far out of order, the agrieved Holy Spirit withholds His power - the only power source available to the congregation - and everybody is merely going through the motions of churchin’ - but no Word penetrates because no power exists to sear that Word onto the hearts of attendees - whether believers or not.
In my daily reading this morning, the Lord opened my eyes to these verses.
2 John 9-11
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
NKJV
I wonder how anyone can defend these pimps physically and financially with the word of God being so sharp and to the point.
Yochee
It is called seducing spirits. It took a hold of the lost and it took a hold on Jenkins. By the way, is this man running his own secret service or church mafia?
(MN: Yes. )
What did they think you were gonna do Melvin? Run to the altar and begin tarry service. (LOL)(LOL) You know you wanted to get in that prayer line-c’mon(LOL) I’m just playin’ but they shouldn’t do you like that no matter how much you disagree with ‘em. I’ll at least say that in your favor.
Good grief Melvin!! You mean the Religious Rent-A-Cops had you in their sights?? I find these imbeciles hilarious!!
(MN: Like the man said - you can’t make this stuff up! )
Grocery-bagger by day………Armed Mand-O-Gawd Security by night. I wonder when Jenkins is going to buy a PopeMobile with a bulletproof bubble to get him down the aisle to the Plexi-Glass explosive resistant pulpit bunker??
(MN: By the way, did I tell you that he has the congregation trained to stand when he comes up to the lecturn? I am impressed with this man’s mad skills at manipulation. )
Standing up when he approaches the lecturn…now
that is church porn. Why don’t they just lay down
palm branches for him on Easter.
People who will voluntarily sit under that madness
and they know better…I say…you are reaping what
you are sowing…and they are sowing to the flesh.
Lafe, it makes sense to stand when JJ enters the pulpit if you think about it. After all, it’s much easier to reach your wallet when you’re standing.
GaryV - Have I told you before that you have one twisted sense of humor?
Mel wrote……
“GaryV - Have I told you before that you have one twisted sense of humor?”
Pot………..meet kettle
Not only do they stand but Jenkins also gets introduced by the worship leaders before he approaches the pulpit. A leader would introduce him something like this - “Now we will have the word preached by a wonderful and powerful man of gawd, may I present to you our senior pastor John K Jenkins Sr” and then the standing crowd applauds wildly.
NCW, what Jenkins needs is that ringside announcer dude who does all the major fights to introduce him.
LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLADIES AND GENNNNNNNNTLEMEN!!! LLLLLLLLLLLLLLET’S GET REAAAAAADY TO STUMMMMMMMMMBLE!!
In the Blue corner, hailing from the great State of Confusion, representing the Doctrinal Featherweight Division with a professional record of 35 heresies, no doctrinally accurate statements, and a big $50 million coming by way of Flock-Out……………it’s the Thrasher of Theology, The Doctrinal Destroyer……..
JOHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNN JENKINS!!!!
In the Red Corner, hailing from the State of Insanity and weighing in at a lethargic and lazy combined 40 tons, with an amateur record of no wins and over $50 million in losses…….. let’s hear it for the Garrison of the Gullible, the Church in the Lurch…………FBCG SHEEEEEEEEEEEPLE!!! SHEEEEEEEEEPLE!!!
Our referee tonight is the Wrong Reverend TD Jakes.
(DING DING!!)
Jenkins rushes out to meet the Sheeple at center ring…….the Sheeple aren’t even raising their gloves in defense……..just like last week, instead of exercising their faith by reading the Word they’ve gorged themselves on spiritual cotton candy like “Woman,Thou Art Loosed”…….Jenkins lands a “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse” to the midsection…….the Sheeple do not answer back……here’s another series of jabs from Jenkins landing on the Sheeple’s unprotected chin:
“Give and it shall be given unto you”,
“Jesus was made poor that you might be rich” “I wish above all things that you may prosper”
The Sheeple finally raise a glove to halt the onslaught, but they have nothing left in the tank to mount an offense……..Jenkins is taunting them at mid-ring with the Eisegetic Shuffle…………The Sheeple fling a weak “You cannot serve both God and mammon” at Jenkins’ solar plexus……..Jenkins seems enraged by the attempt to fight back…………OOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Jenkins answers with a DEVASTATING “Touch not my anointed” to the temple of the Sheeple and they crumple in a heap!!!
Jakes begins the countdown!!!
TEN tapesets of abusive sermons!!
NINE paychecks for the building fund!!
EIGHT vacuous Word Of Faith books!!
SEVEN days washing the Mand of Gawd’s car
SIX hours defending FBCG on websites
FIVE expensive suits for the Passah
FOUR meals a week on the church account
THREE armorbearers on call
TWO luxury church automobiles
ONE jet for personal use
They’re OUT!!!!
I really like the part after the fight when Jenkins stands in the middle of the ring with his hands raised, and the sheeple throw money at his feet.
Creflo does it all the time. (I wonder if the IRS saw that show?)
How do you know? I go there and it goes like this, “Now it’s time for the word”, we are so blessed to have a pastor that studies his word and lives the life that he preaches about. I would like to introduce to some and present to others, our wonderful pastor, Pastor John K. Jenkins. Nobody says gawd, so before you start writing something that you know nothing about, don’t.
(MN NTK, I’ve talked to your pastor on many occassions. This is the man who tried to defend his teaching of Jesus suffering in hell and who taught that the way you discern godly music is through the beat, the rhythm, and the melody. This is the guy who brings in Charles Ellis, a oneness preacher and bigwig in the PAW (a oneness organization). Doesn’t 2 John 9-10 tell us that YOUR pastor should not have had anything to do with Charles Ellis? Rather than even admitting that he was wrong to do this, your pastor whined about the fact that I was calling him to task for bring Ellis in.
This man is a failure with respect to caring for the flock. He brings in T. Dexter, a oneness wolf. He brings in other oneness folks to further destroy the flock.
You can sit and tell me how wonderful your pastor is based on what he says. But I will continue to tell you what he is based on what he has actually done - and continues to do. I suggest you get your head out of the ground, get your head into the Bible, and compare what John says (such as the crap about the the mand of Gawd who is supposed to speak truth into your life and you can’t teach yourself (look again at the posting I referenced).
You have provided vapid and thoughtless praise for a man who says religious sounding things but does stuff directly opposed to scripture. If you are going to defend him, justify his ACTUAL behavior to the Bible. Otherwise, admit that before you walk into the sanctuary, you give your brains to the usher and he places it in a secure spot unitl you leave for the evening. )
You’re KIDDING!!
I know he has them all hypnotized to throw money whenever certain words are uttered too………like “TITHE”, and “LOVE OFFERING”.
MN, you said: “By the way, did I tell you that he has the congregation trained to stand when he comes up to the lecturn?” Well, there’s nothing new under the sun—so has Fast Eddie Wrong—for over 10 yrs. now!
Mel if I’m not mistaken didn’t you grow up as a Catholic? I did. You can remember back then when the Priest would walk to the lecturn and everyone had to stand. Talk about man worship.
Kyle
Just a minor observation Kyle……….Melvin WAS a Catholic. But he didn’t grow up a Catholic. Or a Protestant. Heck, he never grew up at all. Have you SEEN this blog??
You’re complete an utter idiot! Since you HATE Jenkins (MN: Correction: I don’t hate him. At best I feel sorry for him. At worst, I feel contempt for his as a supposed man of God, shepherd, and leader of the saints.) so much and think he’s an apostate of hell, why in the world would your wife want to go there? Could it be that she is being brainwashed too? (MN: It’s quite possible. But it would be better to read some of the comments and posting from previous articles. Or you could send me an e-mail I I would be more than happy to discuss it with you. ) Or is it more like she sees you for the fool that you are and knows that salvation is not a 2 for 1 deal and you may not be what YOU claim to be? (MN: Not likely. Our discussions indicate that she generally falls into the same camp [with some variations] as most of the pimp defenders. She isn’t really that interested in doctrine. She is more interested in the relationships and the personalities. )
Get a life, read your bible more and practice doing the Word, not just hearing it. You spend waaaaaay too much time trying to tear down other pastors and I fail to see how that edifies the body of Christ. (MN: This failure is likely because you don’t read your Word. Otherwise you would know that we are told to draw attention to those who preach another gospel. ) God will repay them, not you, you who have no heaven or hell to put them in or keep them out of. (MN: Typical pimp-defender line. It’’s not about sending them to heaven or hell. It’s about warning the saints so they don’t get temporarily fleeced. It’s about bringing into the open the lies and bad doctrine of the pimps. ) Your pastor must be proud to know that you spend so much time dabbling in other people’s lives and inciting rumors, lies, and speculations. (MN: Actually, that is a mistatement. Please show me the lies, rumors, and speculations I have incited. ) I’m just so sure that he would feel like he’s getting across the gospel of Christ to you and that it’s reflelctive in your daily life, NOT! (MN: Actually, he is quite in agreement with what I do. You will be interested to know that I ended up at Hillcrest Baptist Church through a personal invitation of the pastor. He found out about me through the site. He fully understands what I am doing and fully approves of it. ) What church do you attend and are you even a Christian? If you are, you might practice applying Matthew 18 since you have sooooo much to say about how everyone else is living and what they are doing; tell them to their faces Melvin and stop hiding behind your website! (MN: Actually, I did tell John to his face that he was dragging the congregation down a word of faith rathole. I questioned him when he invited Oneness people to speak at the church. I challenged him when he preached really bad sermons and apparently made stuff up out of whole cloth. I challenged the deacons - to their faces - at their acquiesnece to the things John was doing and saying. Rather than assuming things about me, you might trying asking questions first. Rather than assuming I am a coward [despite the fact that I provide an email address, my name, the city I live in, the church I attend and I use my real name] address the issues that I have raised, go to Scripture [all of scripture] and show me what I am doing wrong. Other wise, you don’t have much to talk about. )
Just because you bring attention to others and their wrong doing, as YOU believe and perceive, doesn’t make it right. I read my word and could use several scriptures but I think it would be lost on you because you appear to be hell bent on believing that what you are doing, is mandated and approved by God. I don’t believe that and don’t need to defend anyone. What I see from your writings is how you painstakingly attend churches and services just so that you can write about or shall I say gossip about what they did, what they said, what they didn’t say. MATTHEW 7:1-5:
“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull the mote out of thine eye; and behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast the mote out of thy brother’s eye.” What if Someone had nothing better to do than to spend their time digging dirt on you and how you live your life or don’t live it and they broadcast it to the world? Free country, do as I please but does it make it Godly and is God pleased? If you think He is Melvin, continue on and to measure if what you are doing is right and prosperous, measure the fruit it yields you. You don’t like TD or Jenkins? Great listen to someone you respect but stop tearing down other people. If you want to know how your words impact others, read the messages and comment and what people have to say as they belittle this man and others. Every Christian has to know God and Christ for themselves and are responsible for their relationship with Christ, so it’s not like people blindly follow Pastor Jenkins.
And BTW as you talked about people standing up for Jenkins when he comes to the podium, you might wanna check out Nehemiah 8:5 to understand why people stand. (MN: I was going to just post your insipid comment and leave it alone. But this comment deserves a comment of its own. The people stood for the Word, not for Ezra. No one introduced Ezra. They didn’t stand when Ezra came to the podium. They stood when the Book of the Law was opened. ) Ezra came way before Jenkins or any other pastors but I am sure you will find a way to pick that a part too.
Shawn, I trust I picked apart that last part well enough? I haven’t heard from you yet. Was that a drive baaaahhh, or are you just rethinking your position?
Security Guards?!? I’m having a hard enough time trying to find greeters and ushers! Why do these preachers feel its okay to take the tithes and offerings of people who primarily live in the ‘hood and tell them every Sunday that the LORD’s gon’ keep you safe and he will keep the devourer from your door, ., but THEY need security guards in church. Ain’t ther tithe working?
Does this pastor also have an entourage that follows him, carries his bible, places it on the pulpit for him after he opens it to the selected passage? Y’all ever seen that? Do his children also get an attendant (adjutant) assigned to them and also one or two for his wife? Do they cut in the lines for the chicken dinner so the pastor’s wife and children don’t have to wait?
(MN: He has the usual set of well trained armor bearers [aka butlers and drivers]. They make sure he has a change of clothes after a hard morning of preaching, they drive him around, and I believe that some of the men have paid for their own flying lessons so they can fly him around in his airplane. [I did meet some men out at Freeway Airport who were a part of the “Aviation Ministry’ training for the Private Pilot License]. )
The celebrity cuture has infested the church. If John the baptizer had a security guard he’d still have his head.
Umm, didn’t Peter try to be Jesus’s security guard on the night of the trial? Melvin, you might need a couple if you keep irking the Pimps!
I hear you saint James.I need more Sunday school teachers myself.Maybe if I let them carry guns and wear earpieces the position would be more appealing.
This is so stupid all this slobbering over the preacher.
I hold my own bible and I wipe my own greasy sweaty forehead.
If someone wants to bless the pastor or honor him in some way that does not equate man worship I think it’s ok.However it should not be expected or encouraged.Some people just don’t know how to express genuine gratitude for their pastors’ hard work.
I tell people that showing up on Sunday morning faithfully is good enough for me.
I’m open for Sunday school classes JCrep……..how long a commute is it??
I’m on the island of Kauai (Hi.).But don’t fear I will have my minister of aviation come pick you up in our jet once we service it.We just got back from a mission trip to Vegas. We really focused on witnessing to the card dealers and servers at the buffets.If that does’nt work for you I am planning a ministry cruise where reverend Ike will be the guest speaker.We will be entertained by Al Green and Shabba Ranks.
Get ready to get your next breakthrough.
I can be your Armor Bearer Melvin. I have the dark shades, the ear piece, and I can drive.
Only one problem, I cant fight, something about a big sister putin you in a head lock that teaches you how to talk your way out of fights.
Are these guys armed with guns or night sticks?
Mel,
I Don’t know if you got my Merry Christmas message I e-mailed you. Nonetheless a few friends of yours wish to wish you a Merry Christmas.
Click Below- And watch it more than once.
http://www.elfyourself.com/?id=1211982390
P.S. The server is quite busy during the day but the wait is worth it.
Kyle
(MN: Thanks, I’ll watch it when I get home tonight. The company doesn’t like for us to stream and stuff on their network. )
I guess I’m the only one who appreciated the Christmas greeting OR everyone has already has seen this before and I’m behind the curve. Sigh! I think this is the most corny, immature, cheap laugh you can get. I mean really, just look at the way Osteen, Creflo, Hinn, and John boogie to a Holiday beat.
http://www.elfyourself.com/?id=1211982390
Kyle
(MN: Kyle, you’re right. It was corny, immature, and a cheap laugh. It was also incredibly funny! I almost fell out of my chair when I saw it.
You’re not behind the c[power curve. I never saw it before either. Too bad they couldn’t make the john elf a little shorter. )
Elfyourself is childish and immature, we should learn to rise above this show.
There, I said it. I think I’ll watch it again!
That WAS childish and immature……..no wonder it struck a chord with me.
oooh, you too? i even ran and got my maracas.