(MN: Our favorite lightweight of the COGIC circuit, Little Stevie Wonder, put up a posting a couple of weeks ago. In it, he promoted that hysterical heretic Creflo Dollar. As a result, because he had way too much time on his hand, GaryV took a trip to Tennessee and sat in on one of the sessions at LSW’s church. He was suprised to find that it looked so much like “Wheel of Fortune. The only thing missing was Vanna.
We join the game already in progress. )
“Good evening ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the newest gameshow sensation sweeping the church,Creflo Dollar’s “WHEEL……….OF………….HERESY”!!
“That’s right folks, it’s the gameshow where the Bible is up for grabs and the stakes are eternal. I’m your host, Stephen F. Smith.” (wild applause, whistling)
“Now for our first contestant, say “Hello” to Mr. Reed D. Bible, a committed Christian missionary of over 35 years service to the Body of Christ in the foreign field.” (light smattering of applause).
“And once again, give a warm “Wheel Of Heresy” welcome to our returning champion who has won over $666,000 in Cashflo blessings and increase, Mr. Dustin DeWind.” (hearty applause mixed with tongues and animal noises).
“Now,you all know how the game is played. Just spin the Wheel Of Heresy and the pointer will stop on a specific Biblical doctrine. The player who correctly defines that doctrine will win the Cashflo Dollar Amount on that space and will get a chance to solve the puzzle on the Big Board.
“Before the show we cast lots to see who would go first,and Reed won. So give the Wheel your best spin Reed.”
Reed D. Bible: “Thanks Stephen!!”(whir whir whir…….)
LSW: “OK ,the Wheel has stopped on “The Nature Of Man.” Here’s the question……..”What is man’s relationship to his Creator??”
Reed: “Well Stephen,the Bible makes it clear that man is inherently depraved due to sin, and therefore we are separated from God.We are subordinate to and dependent upon Christ as our only hope of salvation.”
LSW: “OOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooo, sorry Reed. That’s incorrect. Dustin, you get a shot at it.”
Dustin DeWind: “Well Stephen, man is equal with God, is actually a little god himself, and can create from nothing just like God by using the principles of faith.”
LSW: “CORRECT!!! That’s $150 Cashflo Dollars to you Dustin!! Care to take a shot at the puzzle on the Big Board?”
Dustin: “No,not yet. I want to build up my Cashflo Cash first.”
LSW: “A brilliant strategy Dustin”.
Reed. D. Bible: “Wait a minute……..the Bible doesn’t say anything LIKE that.”
WA-WA-WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA……..
LSW: “OH, sorry Reed. You set off the Pharisee Finder. That’ll cost you your Lightning Round Money Cometh Anointing.Now Reed, don’t close your spirit to new revelation. You gotta get past the letter. It’s your spin.”
Reed:“Errrr…..OK.” (whir whir whir).
LSW: “The Wheel has stopped on “Biblical Characters”. Here’s the question…….”Why did John The Baptist get his head cut off??”
Reed: “Because he stood against the evil of his day embodied in Herod Antipas, and God in His Sovereignty determined that John’s course was run and that this death would serve to most glorify The Savior. The Bible warns that all who will live Godly in Christ will suffer persecution and that we must be faithful even unto death.”
LSW: “Oh,too bad. That’s incorrect. Dustin, the question goes to you.”
Dustin DeWind: “Well Stephen, the Bible promises us wealth and happiness and long life if we work the principles of faith, so obviously John The Baptist lacked the faith to get out of jail and live and prosper.”
LSW: “WOW!! You’re on FIRE today Dustin!! That’s another $500 in Cashflo Cash!! Ready to hit the Big Board??”
Dustin DeWind: “One more round first………I’m looking for Increase!!”
Reed D. Bible: “WAIT JUST A MINUTE…….the Bible says that among those born of women, no man was greater than John the Baptist in his prophetic office. How can you say he lacked faith?? What about the faithful in Hebrews 11 that suffered persecution, hunger, lack, poverty, and death??”
LSW: “Did you hear something Dustin??”
Dustin DeWind: “Nope.”
LSW: “Me neither. Dustin,this is the final round and the last spin is yours because you have answered all questions in a Creflologically correct manner, and Reed has forfeited due to his Pharisaical attitude and lack of love. Spin the Wheel Of Heresy and try to get the largest amount of Cashflo Cash, then if you solve the puzzle you get all the Cash PLUS one hundred-fold increase. ”
Dustin DeWind: “Praise Creflo Stephen!! (whir whir whir)
LSW: “WHOA THERE!!! Your faith and anointing must be at an all time high!! Those Cashflo tapes are really paying off…………you hit the $50,000 spot!! Even after your mandatory 10% (plus love offering) to Creflo, that’s some REAL money!! But first you must solve the puzzle on the Big Board!!”
Dustin DeWind: “Well, here goes Stephen……..errrrr……errrrr……errrrrrrr……..
LSW: “Problem Dustin??”
Dustin DeWind: “Well, it’s just I don’t recognize this particular Scripture. Are you sure it’s in the Bible??”
LSW: “Time’s running down……….5-4-3-2-1 BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!! “OHHHHHHHH………sorry Dustin. You didn’t solve the Big Board, and your reign as champion is over. Can we turn around all the letters and see the Big Board puzzle?”
2 Peter 2:1 “But there were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach their destructive heresies about God and even turn against their Master who bought them. Theirs will be a swift and terrible end. 2 Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of them, Christ and his true way will be slandered. 3 In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction is on the way.”
LSW: “Well, thank you all for tuning in to WHEEL……..OF…….HERESY!! Buh Bye now!!!”
Dustin DeWind: “No!! WAIT!! I’ve never seen that verse in my Creflo Dollar Study Bible!! WAIT!! WAAAAAAAIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!”
Announcer: “This was Wheel Of Heresy, a CrefloDollar Production brought to you by our friends at Oral Roberts University. ORU…….home of the world’s only soft,fluffy,two-ply Doctorates on a roll.”
(MN: I got an e-mail from a pathetic who follows after Creflo and the rest. He spent a significan amount of electrons telling me that all we are supposed to do is love and that I am being prideful and judgmental. He further said that Creflo and the rest of the pimps are teaching the same foundation as the rest of us and that we should leave them alone. I’m simply being driven by arrogance and pride.
These pimps are doing people grave damage, putting most in danger of the very hell-fire they never preach about. Think about it - when’s the last time you heard Creflo preach about hell? )
very funny and so sadly real ! unfortunaly these pulpit pimps “attack” France now : benny Hinn, Hagee, Bill Winston, Lawrence Bishop ; now they are every where in France… people here is not aware about doctrine and welcome them without knowing who they are …. check here : http://www.charisma.fr/
thank you for your website
Yes Fred,
Here in France dont really know about their doctrine that’s why they welcome them so warmly… I’m really disturbed because I can see that some pastors here start preach these same foolishness…
They dont preach Christ and the cross… They’re only doing coaching : “how to become rich?” “how to overcome fear?” “become what you want to be” etc…
Who is Little Stevie Wonder?
(MN: Take a peek here. )
60 minutes story on Pastor Osteen:
Willow Boy on 60 Minutes
(MN: And he did such a nice job of crying!!! I’ll bet he won a couple of hundred doubters with that alone. My wife and I were watching it. We thought the interviewer did a better job than Willow Boy. By the way, he’s going to get another shot on Larry King Alive this Tuesday at 9:00 )
C’mon brother, get with the new move of GAWD. By your lack of faith you are going to miss the next level. There’s a new anointing in the atmosphere that’s giving new revelation for this new season, (Turn around and tell your neighbor; “New Revelations for a New Season!”). Hell is right here on earth and the answer to that hell is prosperity. GAWD wants us all to prosper and be in good health. BTW, I know that’s in the bible somewhere but I don’t know exactly where in the Old Testament it is… Stop hatin’ on these anointed vessels of GAWD. Touch not!
You gave me a good laugh today. Ain’t nothing really funny about it though.
Another book tour for Osteen. That crying was really something. He even doubled himself over as if he was overcome with emotion.
And the guy’s building even has a ceiling that changes colors with the music…insane!!!
The interviewer while being fairly gentle, was hitting some good points on Osteen.
Bottom line. Osteen’s daddy was into bad doctrine and didn’t have a church with a proper structure of elders. So daddy dies and Willow Boy is left with the option of keeping the enterprise running or possibly watching it die. So Willow Boy sees what people like to hear and says it.
I liked how the interview was making points like, Willow boy avoiding religious symbols and not saying anything about Christ in his new book. The interviewer seemed to know more about the faith than the passa with a flock of thousands.
To IC:
I like that article and video you’ve done a while back about a man speaking out against Osteen and his false doctrine and folks were passing him by like the walking dead. The woman was trying to rebuke him, saying “The devil is a liar”.
(MN: Yeah - that is a brave man. )
Yea this guy was pretty brave.
I wonder if the guys who did a good review of Osteen’s “Your Best Life Now” book will do one of his latest?
Somebody has to help the lost sheep understand what’s wrong with Osteen’s material.
IC,
That video looks like a great illustration of Matthew 7 and the broad way. Truly, truly sad!
Thanks for posting the video of a man preaching the honest truth, it moved me to tears, I pray that God forgives me of my sins because the only thing i’m worthy of is eternal hell fire. Again thank you for posting a video of a man preaching the real gospel telling me what I NEED to hear instead of what I WANT to hear!! God Bless!!!!!
From what I understand John Olsteen did have a staff in place when he died, but Mama Olsteen, and Joel wasn’t about to let that cash cow leave the family.
Umm…I was actually paid to watch this show and write a synopsis about it.
And I’m happy to say I did so without throwing in bias…I am happy though when the detractor was on and mentioned that Olsteen taught cotton candy religion that didn’t focus on Jesus.
I’d have no problems if he billed himself as a life coach (mighty popular that term is locally) but, life coaches don’t help in a CHURCH and don’t collect DONATIONS that are TAX EXEMPT.
I do wonder what’s his problems with the excessive blinking. It’s supposed to be a sign of stress of dishonesty for some…but, he does it all the time. Is he wearing bad contacts? Have tourettes (and he could) ?
I will say his crying number was extremely fake in appearance.
Thorn,
GREAT OBSERVATION! I saif the same thing to myself. the one thing I wonder if you noticed was not only the blinking but the glances off to the side. That is a sign of also. Sad.
Kyle
Thorn,how do I get YOUR job buddy?? LOL!!
Heck I watch these pimps FOR FREE……..(except for my Tithes and Love Offerings of course).
What is your veiw of tithe and offering. Melvin, Gary?
d
(MN: Here’s my view: click here.
Yeah……..what Melvin said. Remember, I’m just a mind-numbed Melvinite
Now LSW is going to go through his video footage to figure out what Gary looks like.
Did you introduce yourself Gary? If so, what was the response? Did you ask any probing and scripture laced questions? Did you tell him Melvin and the Melvinites said “Hi”?
Inquiring minds want to know….
GSRH, I tried to talk to LSW but my offering wasn’t big enough.
Mr. Melvin:
I believe that you meant a sin-pathetic Creflo follower. Perhaps one day these followers will come out of their spiritual tailspin.
(MN: Yes. And in the sense that the dogs they found on Michael Vick’s property were pathetic. They way a child who has been abused by his parents is pathetic. The same way I feel sorry for the thirty-seven year old, overweight, drug addicted prostitute standing on the corner in the middle of Winter. I have lots and lots of pity for the people who get trapped with these wolves, even if it is because of foolishness on their own part. And I have lots and lots of anger for the men and women who pimp them the way they do. )
Great job GaryV!
Now if you don’t grasp predestination. How can God have both “bought them” and “condemned them long ago” as is noted in the New Living Translation of 2 Peter 2:1-3?
Without embracing that God fashioned the vessel and its coming condemnation (Romans 9:21-24), you’ve got to act as if they were “saved” and then “condemned” not so long ago, because you have to view things as God making it up as our lives go along, when God designed IT ALL before the foundation of the world. Which is why Christ was predestined to save those God GAVE HIM before the world was formed, John 17:24 and Ephesians 1:3-14.
To IC,
Does Matt 22:1-14 ties in with the scriptures you’ve mentioned, concerning predestination?
All scripture ties in and before Matthew 22:1-14, there was Psalm 118:22. It was foretold that the Lord’s own would reject him. And they did. It was the predestined plan, so it was known that when Christ came that all the Jews would not embrace him, but the opposite. And so he received rejection for the most part from His own. The stone the builders rejected, predestined and foretold literally hundreds of years before it occurred.
Is Matthew 22:11-14 any different from Matthew 7:21-23, where Christ says he “never knew” the one who claims His name but are not His own? Not that the Lord never knew their name and that they would be born in flesh, but He knew they were never His.
All are creations of God, but all are not God’s children, 1 John 3.
Was Jesus Christ designated to be the sacrifice for our sins before the foundation of the world? If you give the correct answer, which is yes, than it is given that God knew man would fall and need a savior. Given this, God knew who He gave to His Son and who He did not. It is all the predestined plan noted in Ephesians 1.
Did Christ not choose Judas because He knew it was predestined that Judas was the son of perdition? It’s not something set for the select names we see in scripture. All of us are predestined for our end because God knew us even before we were in our mother’s womb, Psalm 71:6.
And He knew I would need a savior, Psalm 71:2.
We don’t know which vessel is which except via the works, the fruit, but God knows the truth of all. Even in works, God knows who is true, even if we are deceived about an individual.
It’s all His plan that you would embrace Him. This is why God predestined His Son for us, because He knew Adam would fall, He knew the Jews would forsake and all of Matthew 22:1-14 is the Word of God and predestined to be. Otherwise, how could God tell us that somebody will come minus a wedding garment and be cast out? It’s not just a warning, but a promise.
The fact is, that God knows, because God made all. So every atom in this universe moves exactly as he designed it to move, Romans 9:22-24.
If I know I’m saved, I have no problem saying I know that God knew it would happen and it was all part of His divine plan. I won’t let go because I am His and nothing can take me from him, Romans 8:38-39 and John 10:27-30. So I will endure till the end.
I’m not saying this gives me any cause to slack off, but rather I acknowledge that all is going as God wills. I continue to work hard because I am to make sure of my own election, 2 Peter 1:10-11.
How could any scripture foretell of anything minus predestination?
Nicely done IC!!
To IC,
Did you see the contradiction in Olsteen’s message, the video with the waterworks on it. Out of his own mouth, he quotes predestination, the one that says that God knew us before the foundation of the earth. Yet he said that anyone can achieve success, prosperity, and not to give up. The interviewer did ask some very realistic questions. What if they don’t achieve that success? A theologist stated that Olsteen is preaching a cotton candy message. I agree with them that his message is very dangerous.
I thought the critic who said Osteen’s message is straight up heresy was most on point considering James 4:13-17.
And how about when the commentator says something like “you don’t mention Jesus at all in this book”.
The theologian featured on the Osteen video is the EXCELLENT Michael Horton of Westminster Seminary. For anyone interested in some thought provoking and compelling doctrinal discussion from a Reformed perspective, please check out the website here:
http://www.elvis-tkc.com/Radio.htm
There is a podcast that comes out every Tuesday which is EXCELLENT. I keep many of them archived on my iPod. You can also listen from your computer as well. I can hardly think of anything more stimulating and edifying that you can put on your MP3 player.
LOL wrong forum (though the Elvis forum is a great place to get some rare early rock tracks !!)
Here’s the right link……….
http://www.whitehorseinn.org/
Gary V, I knew it was a joke, but thanks anyway.
Hey,great point about Joel’s inconsistency on the issue of Election Angela!! Never occurred to me.
Gary V,
I noticed that with the website you provided, besides his comment on Osteen, the theologian has a book on the antichrist. I believe that nowadays, its an controversial issue because some believe that the antichrist is one person, but I believe like some people that it is one demonic spirit that dwells in those who blasphemes Christ. It would be interesting to know by reading his book, what is his statement on the antichrist. I’m sure you know that when Christ spoke in Revelations to John, He used allegories to foretell events, but people take them visually. They’re looking for that beast to rise out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, anyday.
Re: Comment by Independent Conservative-
“…God knew us even before we were in our mother’s womb.” Psalm 71:6 Can that verse really be used to prove that God knew us BEFORE we were in our mother’s womb? It seems to refer to the time spent in the womb and before birth, not addressing the type of foreknowledge indicated by your comment.
PS 71:6 “Upon you have I leaned from before my birth; you are He who took me from my mother’s womb. My praise is continually of you.”
Please advise me if I misunderstand, but I hesitate to use that verse to prove the point that we were known even before our formation in the womb, as it seems to not encompass that particular subject at all. New Amercian Standard translates: 6) “By Thee have I been sustained from my birth; Thou art He who took me from my mother’s womb;….”
Thank you!
How about Galatians 1:15
15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace,
or Ephesians 1?
Pennsylvania pastor’s wife - Good observation, Revelation 13:8 would have probably been a better selection for that point.
B&R, the scripture Galatians 1:15 reads differently in the NASB:
Galatians 1:15 (New American Standard Bible)
That does not offer any before conception details, but scripture such as Revelation 13:8 and Ephesians 1 even in the NASB show predestination before the foundation of the world.
I strive to offer scripture based proofs that can be cross checked over various RESPECTABLE translations. So I feel it was good Pennsylvania pastor’s wife offered her comment. I don’t know her thoughts on the issue overall, but her statement about my cited verse has merit.
The NASB is a very good translation, I don’t care what the 1611 KJV bigots claim. Personally I read NASB, ESV, KJV and NKJV, (on rare occasion the NLV too) but have come to respect the NASB the most. The ESV is best for equipping yourself to do battle with Jehovah’s Witnesses. They have there own false translation called the New World Translation, a total piece of heresy, but I’ve found they carry a ESV when doing their door to door work.
Thank you Independent Conservative and Black and Reformed for responding to my comment. I believe Ps. 71:6 and Ga. l:15 can be used to show the value of the unborn life already set apart to God from the womb, but not able to be used to prove His pre-conception foreknowledge, as addressed in the other verses you both cite. As for my “thoughts on the issue overall”, Independent Conservative? Conflicted - it’s not called the “Debate of the Ages” for nothing!! This site and yours have been invaluable for perusing the well-formulated premises and and arguments on various subjects, although I first visited here to keep abreast of the Word of Faith shenanigans that were stealthily coiling their way into our rural mountain valley.
My husband and I very much appreciate the information we have gleaned from the postings at this site, and we hope Mr. Jones is aware of how valuable that is to those in ministry. We have found at times, despite my husband’s teaching, that some in our church eagerly adopt portions of the strange gospel presented on TNB, INSP, etc. This site helps us stay informed, but it has also challenged me personally, and sent me dashing from my desk to get the Bible I left in the car so I could check out for myself something presented here.
Thank you, Mr. Jones for Pulpit-……uh, mmm,….see, I can’t even TYPE the word, so incredibly apt nomenclature for this site, but sooooo indelicate for my feminine sensiblities!! Seriously, thank you!
(MN: I Love women with feminine sensibilities! )
it was ESV (I have grown found over the past year and half) apologies if the verse was more confusing.
Melvin said, “I Love women with feminine sensibilities”.
Well, If you were a true Mand of Gawd you would be able to express your Hemotions more. It’s ok to get a little hemotional once and a while. You know, open up and share how you feeeeeeel. Turn those frowns upside down and express yourself like Joel Osteen. Melvin, don’t be afraid of being a biblical cross dresser(Figuratively speaking). Besides, what would T. Dexter do?
Kyle
“Hemotions”
:lol:
You kill me Kyle!!! (that wasn’t a bad confession was it??)
(MN: I think we need to keep an eye on Kyle. He’s WAY too fluent in Jakeological terminology. )
Blessings comin, so REPOSITION YOURSELF so you can get the FAVOR FACTOR and avoid the POTHOLES of life, because NOTHING JUST HAPPENS, we are not HELD BY A NAIL any longer WOMAN THOU ART LOOSE, so FIGHT FOR THE FAMILY, and have LIBERATION. (brought to you by the books of T.D. Jakes)
As my grandmother (deceased) used to say as she held her belt to beat me “DON’T YOU LIE TO ME”.
Reed forgot what show he was on.
Melvin- ok, I think you out did yourself this time. Although your presentation was funny and I found myself chuckling… it is quite sad.. in fact, I am not ashamed to admit this.. I use to watch Creflo, I gave money to his church(tithe), I purchased his tapes and books… Hmmmm, I wonder if I can sell his tapes on ebay? On second thought.. NOT! Lets just throw them away.. no need to lead others down the wrong path!Wait a minute– winter is coming… I wonder if the tapes will burn well in the fireplace? The creflo books should burn quite well!!!
Marcus, I’m sure the Creflo books will burn. However, you may need to watch the color of the flame. It may burn green or some other un-natural color due to the demonic lies contained therein.
Good opening skit, Melvin. It was funny and heart wrenching at the same time. So many people have a one-way bus ticket to Hell, thanks to pimp heretics like Creflo and his ilk. People who are in these types of groups will not receive the truth, no matter how it is presented. All we as believers can do is to tell them the truth. We can’t make them receive it.
MsJ. LOL!
You said, “It may burn green or some other un-natural color due to the demonic lies contained therein”
Kyle
Here’s some of Creflo’s greatest heresies from YouTube. (the ones not yet removed)
Creflo Dollar denies the divinity of Christ
Creflo Dollar teaches “heresies” that we are gods
Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar and Ed Young, but where is Jesus?
Creflo Dollar denies Jesus is God in flesh
Creflo Dollar explains why people are poor
The sheer blasphemy of such brute beasts, “made to be taken and destroyed,” as the apostle Peter put it very well. And I thought after the heresy of folks like Copeland, Hinn, and Crouch in the late 70s and 80s, that they were at least trying to cover it up a bit. But I remember some months ago dropping by a link where on KC’s site where KC’s son and some black preacher (fo’got his name) were saying nonsense like “God needs our permission to move” then they went on to say “you might stir up some of those religious folks saying that.” Do they even know that the wrath of God abides on them? I don’t think there are human beings who need to be more afraid than they.
When I was in Eddie Long’s club, I recall Fast Eddie often saying that while God can open a door that no man can shut, you could put your foot in the way and your own deeds might keep God from opening the door.
This of course was on the prosperity doctrine line of talk. Nothing to do with the true meaning of the “doors” in Revelation 3 (yes he read the verses and totally twisted the meaning) that are about opportunities to minister the gospel. Long was talking about a door for you to get what you want and you possibly holding back that big fat blessing Gawd wants to open a door for you to get.
All you have to do in order to fall for such lies is not read your Bible much. Don’t study scripture much. I was a co-signing idiot once upon a time.
Basically Long acts like you can control the hand of God.
And of course those pimps always talk about you holding back the window of blessings because you don’t give them 10%
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IC, did you have the Official Club Newbirth Wifebeater MuscleShirt too?? LOL!!!
Just a T-Shirt or 2
And no I didn’t buy them, they gave them to us when doing whatever media showcasing community service work we did at the time.
I’ve considered posting picture of one…if I find what I did with it and feel like spending time getting a good shot. Because even the T-Shirts have bad doctrine. I’ve got one that says “Nation of Jesus” on the front and “Taking Over” on the back and attributes the quote to Eddie Long. Cause you know Eddie thinks
he iswe’re going to take over the world RIGHT NOW!He used to like to get us to say the “Kingdom” has already come. That since Jesus came once already we can now take over the world!
To IC,
I remember believing when my money would get funny, it is because I didn’t give enough to Gawd. Many of us here have played the fool. You don’t have to answer, but have you ever cut a rug, ’spoke in tongues’, got ’slain in the spirit’? Also was it you that said that Eddie Long yelled at some parishoners for not paying their 10%?
I never “dance in the spirit”. I’ve been in places that are as charismatic as you could imagine and NEVER did I feel the Lord moving my legs and some of the dancing I saw looked just like what I saw of people doing dances like the Charleston on old B&W videos, especially when the older folks would “dance in the spirit”, so it never happened for me.
I did babble though, faux “talking in tongues”. I mean if you just let your tongue relax and then flutter some with whatever you can babble pretty easily and think it was Gawd that did it.
I guess I could bang my knew and when my leg kicks I could say I kicked in the spirit
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I never feel out ever, never was “slain in the spirit”. That always seemed like the fake one to me out of all of them, even when I thought it was all real I was most highly skeptical of that.
No I did not say Eddie Long yelled about people not giving enough money, that was someone who posted here a few times using the handle “Former New Birthian” Or “Former New Birth Member”. They said they would mail me a transcript of what Eddie Long said, which she said he gave out to everyone. I never got it in the mail. Have not heard from them since.
To IC,
I remember on several occasions in my old church, a few missionaries and the pastor tried to get me ’slain in the spirit’. When nothing happened, I felt a sense of embarrassment, anger and wanted to cry because I thought that I was letting Him down. It is good to know that is not so.
To add, IC if I didn’t know any better, I would have thought that Benny Hinn had that special ‘anointing’.
Don’t feel bad IC…….care to guess what I spent on my “education” at Rhema??
Heck, I still got my class ring too!!! All you got was a t-shirt………I got heretical JEWELRY!!
You got the jewelry and paid a debt to get it! Wow. We were pretty messed up. Thank the Lord he led us out of that spiritual waste.
angela - Yea I’ve seen when they can’t get someone to fall how they do all sorts of things including flat out pushing people over to get them to fall. I saw a passa once straight smack a dude upside the head to get him to fall because he knew this guy had figured out he was a fake.
You know how when you’re in it, sometimes you figure out certain individuals are no good, but you don’t realize the whole thing is messed up so long as you remain in it.
Eddie Long, when he can’t get them to fall once he first puts a hand on them, if he wants them to fall, while their eyes are closed he’ll try and touch them in the belly, in hopes that the unexpected touch to the midsection gets them to fall. If all else fails, he’ll talk to them about how falling over is an act of submission to Gawd and they usually “fall” for that. With those cases, given it took so long to knock the person over, he usually stops to explain his twisted doctrine for getting the person to fall down.
Usually if the first person he touches does not drop he won’t bother, but if he drops like 5 in a row and #6 stays standing, it’s like a challenge for him to put them on their back. Got an image to uphold when he’s got people thinking he’s got the anooointin’ on him
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And Eddie used to not fall down himself when other pimps prayed for him. But John Bevere came by for one of his swindling sessions and he got Eddie AND EVEN VENESSA into the game. So there you saw both Eddie and Venessa laid out. I’m pretty sure Creflo did it too! Because Creflo claimed that Venessa was to be a preacher like Taffy. So Creflo did his laying of the hands, to supposedly affirm this with them on their backs. Venessa has always remained in the role of teaching women far as I know, but I didn’t stay long after Long and Dollar got really, really tight.
Funny, but true presentation.
Creflologically!!! LOL LOL
I thought of you when I coined that word Cop….LOL!!!
It looks like Juanita B. could use a refresher course on Creflolology before she loses some of her ill-gotten “increase.”
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To Cop,
Do you think some folks have Creflitis if money cometh because they’re little gods?
Angela,
Actually I was thinking along the lines of Kleptomaniac. Or in this case a Creflomaniac. I think they go hand in hand. In fact lets look up the two definitions shall we.
From the Webster Dictionary
Kleptomaniac:
An obsessive impulse to steal regardless of economic need.
From the Melvinite Dictionary
Creflomaniac:
Creflo’s obsessive impulse to steal regardless of his economic need.
You see the differences are very subtle.
Kyle
Yeah, they go together alright. One defines the other. All we need is his picture.
By no means do I folllow Creflo, but I would like to mention for accuracy sake that he does preach about hell. In fact, he ministered, during Easter, on Fornication and Adultery. If you don’t stop, you will die and go to hell, basically. It was pretty tense in there. People were very unhappy. Beyond that, every Sunday he speaks very clearly that if people do not receive Jesus Christ they will go to hell. He is very matter of fact about that. But other than that, the message before the call the salvation, when he mentions hell, usually has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Generally, it’s your run of the mill foolishness-ridden, prosperity mess: HERESY. I’m one for accuracy so I just wanted to make sure you didn’t give any fodder to any of the “pimped and loving it.” God Bless.
(MN: Not a problem. If he does mention it occasionally, I guess I was less than accurate. But don’t expect me to run to his next convention here in DC. )
I am interested in why there is so much mud slinging going on. Was it not Jesus who said in John 8:7, (6-8 in Context)This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her”. And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
I will not cast a stone on any TV Preacher, for I am not without sin. Either the Bible is all True or it is all False. It is YOU that decides which way it goes. The Bible is not all Literal, it has Types and Shadows, Metaphors, Parables, etc. To take the Bible totally literal, you would have to cut your hands off and gouge your eyes out in order not to sin. Now is anyone actually going to do that? Jesus spoke a lot about money, power, hell, and love, along with a few other topics.
John 20:29 reads, Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. I haven’t seen Jesus, yet I believe that he was born of a virgin, in a stable in Bethlehem, at 12 Jesus was teaching the priests, and at 30-33, Jesus healed the sick, made the blind see, cast out demons, slept, ate, walked, talked and prayed over the people he healed, and especially the 12 He picked to carry His Message on. He was bloodily beaten, spit on, laughed at, ridiculed, then, they hung Him on a tree, where He shed His blood for humankind, died, three days later, he rose, took the keys from hell, and is LIVING at the RIGHT hand of God the Father. That is the MESSAGE THAT WE SHOULD BE TELLING!
1 John 4:20 tells me, If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? This is what people are doing when they gossip and laugh about what others are doing in the Name of Jesus. The Bible is clear that to stand for Jesus, we will be criticized, ridiculed, laughed at, attacked - verbally as well as physically, accused of false teachings, be spit at, talked about, lied about, and WE WILL SUFFER FOR OUR NAME’S SAKE, JESUS! I am ready, are you?
@Angela Trent: We must make sure we dont come down with Crefitis by reading our bibles, and avoid the deadly CREF out-break.
Absolutely.
Getting off the subject here a little, but can someone help me in understanding if Tyler Perry, not his person but the work he has done in the past, should be accepted within the chruch? Ie. the character Madea, this man dressing in women’s clothes?
My objection to Mr. Tyler has not been the fact that he performs as a woman (Milton Berle and a couple of others did a better job of it), but the fact that up until Daddy’s Girls, his movies and plays have been consistently anti-Black Christian male.
For me, it all came to a head with “Family Reunion.” All of the older men were a bunch of impotents lusting after the young things. The family was led by the older women - one of those older women being played by Maya Angelou, a woman who doesn’t even pretend to be a consistent Christian.
Apparently people have been fussing at him since he seems to be changing his direction with “Daddy’s Girls.”
The only real problem with that movie was the fact that Fast Eddie had a part in it.
My objection to Mr. Tyler has not been the fact that he performs as a woman (Milton Berle and a couple of others did a better job of it), but the fact that up until Daddy’s Girls, his movies and plays have been consistently anti-Black Christian male.
Hey Mevin,
I honestly never looked at it that way but your point may be valid to some degree. However, don’t you think that he also makes a viable attempt to show black men in a positive light to some degree at some point during the movie?
I guess I’m trying to say that I look at his work the same way that I look at yours–he tries to send out a message and so do you.
I came to this board and I complained about the way people were attacked. However, I have admitted from the onset that there is a lot of truth of what is being said here, although it may be delivered rather harshly at times.
Thus, do you think that it possible to point out something bad and good simultaneously?
Wy would you say he fail off, just asking. I heard from somewhere that he write about his life how it were went he was growing up. that is why you see him writing about non christian black male, and women being head of his household. that’s what he saw.
Actually, he didn’t see black women leading in the home, entirely. In his home, his father was the head of the house, minus the abuse.
Not only that, within the black community, you have a strong anti-black male hatred, to where you may have a black man, or black woman, raised in a home, with a black father, doing everything he’s supposed to do, as a husband and a father (albeit not perfect), but yet, his imperfections may just cost him the full love and support of his family. Why? Because his mistakes may just be amplified in his family’s eyes, to where if those mistakes and imperfections were in the mother’s basket, then she would be forgiven, or will be excused for trying, or at the very least, for being there.
A man of another race will work two jobs, and come home somewhat surly, and he may receive the benefit of the doubt, for some folks will view him as a hard working man, who loves his family. In other words, they will try to rationalize and squeeze any type of goodness in the man, from the actions of the man.
In many homes, if a black man was that way, he may be accused of not being there for his children, mentally abusive, etc.
So in the end, a black man, or black woman, can write stories or plays about domineering women in their homes, because of what they have personally experienced. Or, they can write of domineering black women, seeing as how this is what they prefer to see, due to their anti-black male bias, which they gleaned, either justifiably, or unjustifiably, from within the black community…
I know this sounds harsh, and like laundry airing, but hey-it’s the truth.
(MN: It seems to me then, that he should produce plays and movies that fight the stereotype, not keep it going. )
I think “Daddy’s Little Girls,” and “Why Did I Get Married,” is somewhat of an ode in that direction…
I’ll admit that I like watching his plays but when the play is over and he introduces the cast, he violates Matt 6:1 very often, especially when he talks about his involvement and contributions to causes, especially Hurricane Katrina victims and I believe that New Orleans is his hometown.
Hey Bishop I understand that most people went through some things but when will we get past the past. So in other words, he is making money in which I have no problem with about his story, and making fun of it and the church, while, he deals with his past? Interesting.
Thanks Melvin for that clarification. I am struggling with his intentions to save the black race by telling a story by pretending to be a woman that he tries to MAN up in WHy Did I get Married? I must admit I have been extremely confused especially with Bishop Paul Morton having an agreement with him and his studios Where he is building the world headquarters to the Full Gospel Convention. Anyway, thanks for the insight
Mr. Reed D. Bible, lol, But seriously. Is there documentation of man being equal w/ God, quote by Creflo Dollar?, If so private message me at LSA. Getting past the letter and new revelation, must be a way of saying let me manipulate the Scripture?? Aimed at those who choose not to challenge anything said w/ the Word. The part where all those that will live (g)odly shall suffer persecution, is where alot of folks get seperated in knowing the truth or having itching ears, by believing that we’re to go thru life on a flowery bed of ease. But that is not so as stated in Isa 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silv