Take a look over at IndependenConservative. He has a set of vids from a Junie B interview/press conference. Take a look at the interview parts and read his summary.
I’m going to suggest that some one who was really pursuing God doesn’t turn on a dime like this; even if they do get the crap kicked out of them.
A couple of blogs are actually pushing the idea that she set the poor Punk up to begin with - that it just got a little out of hand when the thrashing started. I hate to say it, but that really doesn’t sound that far-fetched.
*Sigh*
And here I was hoping, that maybe, just maybe she’d repent of her false teachings.
What Spirit filled person is gonna go on OPRAH’s TV show??!
Carolyn,
Why the criticism of Oprah?
Anonymous, Oprah is to be avoided because she blasphemes.
This whole JB circus has taken it’s toll on me. I could only stomach the 1st video but I read IC’s bullet points and then listened to a youtube clip he added from the “teach me how to lie,, ahem, I mean love” series. What I cannot help but notice is that all she is talking about is HER!! No Jesus at all. If anyone is foolish enough to take this woman’s side as the whole truth needs to look at proverbs 18:17. Why are we not looking at these points?
1. God would not have a man beat her just to set her up to minister to battered women. He can raise up someone to do this. His not tempted with evil you know.
2. God hates divorce. So she can’t be talking to God about this situation.
3. Would God allow her to go into this marriage if he knw it would end in divorce just so she can fulfill her destiny? (they were both married before right?)
4. Isn’t God more concerned with her ministering to the lost? If I am not mistaken, Oprah denied Jesus as the only way. ( I know I have posted that before)
Aljonathan,
I heard Oprah say on her show “I do not deny Jesus”.
Discouraged - Oprah denies the truth of Christ.
She is of the heresy of Universalism.
Discouraged, Oprah denied Christ BY HER ACTIONS. Her words are meaningless while she promotes New Agers and denies Jesus as the only way to God.
How is she NOT denying Jesus by calling Him and Scripture LIARS?? Remember, Jesus and the Bible call Him the ONLY way.
Let the Church say, “AMEN!” Gary. Additionally, Oprah regularly uses the name of the Lord Jesus Christ in vain [empty & unproductive] exclamations. Supposedly copying from Tyler Sambo Perry, Oprah banters with and jokingly mocks the universal word for praise unto the One True Living God—HALLELUJAH!, with “hallay-lu-yer.” By her own mouth, she is condemned!
Discouraged, here are some books from Oprah’s personal collection which she CURRENTLY recommends on her website.
Discover the Power Within You
by Eric Butterworth
Oprah: This book changed my perspective on life and religion. Eric Butterworth teaches that God isn’t “up there.” He exists inside each one of us, and it’s up to us to seek the divine within.
Favorite quote: “But the greatest mistake is in believing that we are ‘only human… ‘ We are human in expression but divine in creation and limitless in potentiality.”
(New Age claptrap, directly opposed by Scripture)
The Power Of Now by Eckhart Tolle
Amazon.com
Ekhart Tolle’s message is simple: living in the now is the truest path to happiness and enlightenment. And while this message may not seem stunningly original or fresh, Tolle’s clear writing, supportive voice, and enthusiasm make this an excellent manual for anyone who’s ever wondered what exactly “living in the now” means. Foremost, Tolle is a world-class teacher, able to explain complicated concepts in concrete language. More importantly, within a chapter of reading this book, readers are already holding the world in a different container–more conscious of how thoughts and emotions get in the way of their ability to live in genuine peace and happiness.
Tolle packs a lot of information and inspirational ideas into The Power of Now. (Topics include the source of Chi, enlightened relationships, creative use of the mind, impermanence, and the cycle of life.)
(Yup……..bedrock Christianity there)
Thankfully, he’s added markers that symbolize “break time.” This is when readers should close the book and mull over what they just read. As a result, The Power of Now reads like the highly acclaimed A Course in Miracles (Another New Age Christ-denying bunch of evil)–a spiritual guidebook that has the potential to inspire just as many study groups and change just as many lives for the better.
From some recent shows……..
The Four Roots of SELF-Care:
* Serenity–Dr. Hall says that any kind of serenity practice will help lower blood pressure and heart rate, as well as boost immunity and reduce pain. “Start with something small, like a five-minute meditation,” she says. Decide to do something that will quiet your brain, such as sitting quietly, listening to music or repeating affirmations (MANTRAS), she says. Another option she suggests is guided imagery (New Age), or thinking about a place where you are at peace, to lower your heart rate and get a sense of control.
More on Oprah.com
She’s one of the smartest women we know. Learn more from Dr. Martha Beck on stress-free living and more!
Find the warning signs, a stress checklist and more to help you fight the physical effects of stress.
Re-shape your mind and body with stress-fighters like Yoga (Eastern religion/New Age), Pilates and more!
From the shows The Secret and One Week Later: The Huge Reaction to The Secret
‘The Secret’ by Rhonda Byrne
From The Publisher:
Fragments of a great secret have been found in the oral traditions, in literature, in religions and philosophies throughout the centuries. For the first time, all the pieces of The Secret come together in an incredible revelation that will be life-transforming for all who experience it.
In this book, you’ll learn how to use The Secret in every aspect of your life–money, health, relationships, happiness, and in every interaction you have in the world. You’ll begin to understand the hidden, untapped power that’s within you, and this revelation can bring joy to every aspect of your life.
(New Age, Christ denying, metaphysical man-centered heresy)
One of her recommended spiritual teachers………
Michael Bernard Beckwith, a visionary and spiritual leader, founded Agape International Spiritual Center in 1986. Agape is a trans-denominational community of thousands of local members and worldwide friends who practice the universal truth teachings of the ages through meditation, affirmative prayer, visioning, study, and humanitarian service.
The Agape Movement’s outreach programs feed the hungry, provide international disaster relief, build orphanages and schools in underdeveloped countries, and advocate the preservation of the planet’s natural resources.
and Leadership at Agape has matriculated thousands of students through its accredited classes.
As co-founder and president of the Association for Global New Thought, Dr. Beckwith stands at the forefront with other harbingers of the world’s quest for peace. He is a noted author and the recipient of many awards, the most recent of which are the 2007 Trumpet Award for Spiritual Enlightenment, and the 2007 Black Aids Institute Hero Award.
This cat whom Oprah recommends has his own school!! How exciting!! Let’s see what they want to teach us……….with Oprah’s hearty approval of course.
Transformation
Reverend Cheryl J. Ward
Dean, University of Transformational Studies and Leadership
At the University of Transformational Studies and Leadership at Agape our classes are designed, not merely to inform, but to transform lives. As Spirit-beings, something within each of us yearns for a greater expression. It is an inner call that only we, each individually, can hear. It is a call of remembrance and a soul-longing for that which is true and unalterable to come forth as a living reality– to come forth into greater expression. It is the Soul call to live life beyond a life of outer activities, plans, to-do lists, traffic, obligations, and responsibilities, etc. We believe that true transformation starts with the awareness of a deep desire or intention to grow, a recognition that there is more to life than our careers, professions, jobs, holiday shopping, getting things, surface activities, sports, accumulating wealth, and watching the seasons come and go.
Classes are designed to provide the student with life-altering, transforming experiences. While new information is part of the curriculum for each class, it not the ultimate goal or outcome to merely acquire information. New or additional information will be no more useful than if it were never received, if it is not used. If it does not lead to, or become a catalyst for, a transformed life, the information just sits in a memory somewhere.
Thus, classes at UTSLA will look different from most academic institutions. The curriculum will allow you to reach into your own expanded awareness and consciousness. You will not rely solely on your reasoning intellect, but you will engage your many other intelligence capacities–musical-rhythmic, intuitive, visual, spatial, inter-personal, kinesthetic, verbal, intrapersonal, etc. You will participate in transformational exercises and processes that take you beyond mere regurgitation of principles, laws and the world of cause and effect. You will be engaged in processes that assist you in discovering your inner world reality where you realize your Oneness with God. Bridges of separation and duality will be dissolved and let go. You will not have homework as it is traditionally known, but you will have growth-work.
The classroom becomes a means by which your consciousness is catapulted into it’s own evolution. A place where you begin to cultivate a greater awareness of Self, of the Changeless Reality. The course content is designed for you to become more keenly self-aware and self-observant. This awareness is the first step towards a transformed life. Choice to participate fully is the second step; and open-ness to change, to new ideas is the third step. If I had to say what the forth step would be, I’d say the willingness to go for it!
Classes assist students in understanding their Divine Appointment (Purpose) here on earth, their mystical connection to, and an integral part of, the larger field of cosmic and human evolution. Your transformation as a student can only come about by your willingness and receptivity to yield to the Divine Presence that created the class in which you now sit.
Discouraged, I could literally go on for PAGES. This is the Christ denying garbage that satan is using Oprah to foist upon the world. Oprah is a world class deceiver, and she is a Christless promoter of false gods. What she is NOT is a Christian.
Not sure what the issue is with Oprah her agenda is clear and has always been, she’s not a believer in the biblical Christ and has never been. But we’re mandated to preach Christ to the world, is not the Oprah Winfrey show in the world? It would be nice if true believers not some witch were on but God will find away to deliver the biblical Christ on her show,
but were not to steer clear of the Oprah’s of the world are we not to seek them out, challenge their belief system and reveal Christ to them?
Once again, Msamu, your inability to see the point is astounding!
If you were to preach the true, uncompromising Gospel of Jesus Christ:
1) You would never be invited onto Oprah’s show or;
2) If you were invited, your interview would never make the show or;
3) They’d cut and paste it so much that what you actually said would be so out of context that the message would be obscured or;
4) They’d schedule you along side some New Age Nut Job, who would be skilled in the Dialectic and be able to make it sound like he/she was saying the same thing as you or had the same goal in mind “so there really is no difference between my methods and Mr. Msamu’s”. or;
5) YOU’D do your usual “forget the bible/ just have faith dance” or “don’t worry about studying the Grammatical/Historical Christianity, the spirit will tell you what you need to know” and everybody there would leave THINKING they were Christians because they’d mentally assented to facts about Christ and your appearence on Oprah would be in vain.
Ever seen John MacArthur on Larry King? He always presents the truth without compromise. However, they always find a way to put some homosexual, or Catholic priest, or feminist, or liberal theologian along side him, and the only thing that happens is he ends up “preaching to the choir” and looking like a “mean, unloving extremist” to the world. Am I saying that his appearances are a total waist of time? Possibly. It’s nice for me to see him stand firm, however the impact on sinners is debatable. And all this while considering that the format of Larry King’s show is MUCH MORE conducive to presenting Christ than Oprah’s. You know, that whole LIVE thing?!
Unfortunately, Msamu, the Oprah Winfrey Show is not the platform for the presentation of true biblical Christianity nor can it be.
You need to rethink your application of “preach Christ to the world”. Your application of that actually ends up as just another rationalization or justification for all of these so-called “ministries” that pop up on the scene that have no biblical foundation such as: Christian Comedians (they all call it their ministry or calling), Praise Dancers (”David danced before the Lord”), Praise Steppers (”We are soldiers in the Army of the Lord”), Life Coach (hello Paula!), Spiritual Finance Instructers (I.V., Fred Price, Bill Winston), Sucessful Living Motivational Speakers for Christ, etc.
I realize that I’m asking a lot of you with this request but Msamu, let’s be reasonable! Surely you can see the fallacy of your thinking?
Msamu,
Definitely feel where you’re trying to come from regarding “going into the entire world to preach the Gospel (Mark 16:15).
However, have you considered that there are some places one SIMPLY CANNOT GO & that “the WORLD” Jesus was referencing didn’t mean LITERALLY EVERY LOCATION?
For example, I had a friend once who said he wanted to go to “HOOTERS” in order to witness to the people there…..& surprisingly; he used the “the entire world” verse to back it up.
He, as many other Christians, failed to realize that certain places have SPIRITUAL ATMOSPHERES NEGATIVELY influencing US, just as activity in the air around us negatively affects “the planet’s surface.” (Deuteronomy 12:13-14, Judges 1-2, Proverbs 5, Proverbs 7, and II Kings 17)
“And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the POWER OF THE AIR, of the spirit that is NOW WORKING IN THE SONS OF DISOBEDIANCE” (Ephesians 2:1-2)
“For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the HEAVENLY REALMS.” (Ephesians 6:12)
Regarding “air” in chapter two, it was clearly regarding the unseen realm where devils influence/deceive folks……& it seems demonic forces possess some ability ” to create ungodly atmospheres within the spiritual realm–MOODS in certain locales through lawless people WORKING in conjunction WITH ONE’S flesh to lead him into SIN. (MN: No, it doean’t clearly say this. All of this sounds nice, but it’s something fabricated out of whole cloth. You start with an assumption then build on the assumption. You can do better than this. )
(MN: GDub, you’re going to have to show me some Bible for this stuff. I could just as easily say:
- A tavern has an environment conducive to smoking
- A prison will have a climate of discipline, exercise, and getting your GED
- An adult book store will have a spirit of photography and videography at work within it.
And don’t forget:
- The tobacco shop will have a nicotine spirit
- The beauty shop will have a spirit of vanity working it
and
- An car showroom will have a spirit of materialism revving its engine in it
While I believe I understand what you are saying, you are really twisting things to say it. And, by the way, I disagree with what you are saying. )
A tavern HAS an environment conducive to partying.
A prison will have a climate of pride, hatred and violence.
An adult bookstore will have a spirit of lasciviousness at work within it.
Not only do these locations have something which might tempt a person to sin (i.e. alcohol, pornography), but they also become a gathering place of demonic spirits that affect people. (MN: Where does it say they become a gathering place for demonic spirits? This is a supposition on your part. )
That’s why Paul warned believers to
“Make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts.” (Romans 13:14) (MN: No, that’s NOT why Paul said “Make no provisions for your flesh.” The supposed locations of demons has nothing to do with what Paul was talking about. You don’t have to be in a tavern to soak yourself in a Bacchnalian orgy. You can do that at home. )
Because humans are so susceptible to spiritual influences, Paul was essentially saying, “Don’t even get around those places where sin is available. Not only will you subject yourself to temptation, but you will also expose yourself to their demonic influence.” (MN: No, he was saying to tempt yourself, or make it convenient to sin. Doesn’t have anything to do with lust demons, nicotine demons, or those demons that bother me all the time, the Laziness demons. )
The SAME principle APPLIES TO OPRAH’S SHOW……..for the atmosphere isn’t conducive to WITNESSING, & everything one says is either CUT SHORT, MISCONSTRUED or OVER-POWERED by what SHE ALLOWS, (MN: Then why in the world did God call the prophets to speak in the northern kingdom - one bad king after another. Why did the prophets speak to a nation that had turned from God? Why in the world did Jesus show up here, in a place soaked in sin and rebellion? )
Moreover, EXPERIENCING CELEBRITY OFTEN CREATES DESIRE FOR MAINTAINING CELEBRITY, even if it means COMPROMISNG THE TRUTH FOR IT OUT OF FEAR, as has often been the case for many CHRISTIANS TRYING TO SPREAD MESSAGES THROUH UNSAVED PLATFORMS because things get UNCOMFORTABLE & people may get “OFFENDED”.
Thanks MN for that with GXG(G2) because I didn’t know where to start at. It sounds good to some, but it sounds like a lot of blown out of portition pentecostalism to me.
For a minute I was sacred to go outside lol.
(Sigh) Ok, Brah….
I will share more later, for I was not trying to say that DEMONS ARE IN EVERYTHING as G.Craig does (i.e. TV demon, M&m demon, etc)
To clarify, though, are you basically saying that a Christian can go ANYWHERE—-such as Oprah’s Show, HOOTERS, Strip Club, etc—–& not be affected NEGATIVELY?
Or that demonic activity is NOT present/actively involved in certain places….or at any point in the temptation process & should be avoided?
lord Lawrence D. god of all understanding On every point you addressed I could not disagree with you more, maybe you should try a little less book knowledge and a bit more practical application.
Msamu,
I see you got the “forget the bible” part but you forgot the “just have faith” part. I guess you’re slipping. Anyway, practical application is AIDED by book knowledge, not HINDERED by it. Only those such as yourself, who put a high premium on ignorance, are unable to see that!
Your disagreement does nothing at all to invalidate what I presented. And as usual, you failed to provide any reasonable arguments to strengthen your disagreement.
I have a separate question for you. Why do you continually refer to me as a lord/god of any sort? I’ve never referred to myself as such nor am I a WoFer who believes that I am. Demeaning me, which is what you intend with that crap, does not suddenly make you right and me wrong. If you can’t stand the intellectual heat, then get out of the scholars’ kitchen! Calling me names out of disrespect, only proves that you can’t cope with the arguments that I present so you have to resort to such childishness. And all this from a professing Christian? ;(
Msamu, if you desire to be respected at all, let me suggest the following:
1. Always make an effort to demonstrate respect.
2. Learn to admit that you’re wrong when you’re wrong.
3. Realize that not only are you not as smart as you think you are but also that there are others who are smarter.
4. Keep in mind that when someone disagrees with you that that person is not automatically your enemy. They may in fact be trying to help you.
5. Books are not your enemy. Ignorance is!
No Lord Lawrence D god Of all understanding, it’s your ingorance thats
unsettling.
I’m curious. What has he done to make you think he is ignorant? Please be specific. Either that, or stop taking childish shots at him. It’s tiresome and boring and it makes you look very foolish.
MN:
LLD’s believes that his opinion is WORD, its arrogant, he’s seems to be unaware (Ignorance) that we all have an opinion
and can agree to disagree.
(MN: MSAMU, all you have done is expressed an opinion. Most of your comments have been nothing more than opinions. LarryD does not simply express an opinion.
For example:
You said the Apostles were all untrained. (an opinion unsupported by the Bible).
LarryD said the Apostlese were trained for three years by Jesus (clearly supported by the Bible)
You said: Book learning never did anyone any good (an opinion)
LarryD said: It’s the learning that helps us to apply the Bible to our lives (a view more than supported by our experience and consistent with Paul’s admonition that we study (learn) and apply the truths of scripture to our lives. It is consistent with the existence of teachers within the Body
So far, you have come to the table with nothing but bad grammar, poor (if any) logic, and incomplete sentences. I love you like the brother in Christ you are, but your bringing nothing to the discussion but unsubstantiated accusations and chatter that, quite frankly, should embarrass you.
I suspect your next comment will be something along the lines of:
“But we have to trust the Spirit to show us the truth. The only thing education does is make us arrogant and carnal” (or something along that line. )
MN: quite frankly I’m embarrased by your type of love. your a spin doctor and love wagging the dog.
(MN: Here is a perfect example of what I’m talking about. What type of love are you talking about? The fact that I love you as a brother in Christ? Why would that be an embarrassment to you?
It’s “you’re” not “your”. One is a contraction and the other is second person possessive.
The phrase you use, the partial phrase, is a part of the saying “the tail is wagging the dog.” And it means a minor event or person is controling a major event. Your use of this portion of the phrase makes no sense. Please tell me what the “tail” is and what the “dog” is. It’s as if you have no idea of what you are saying or what the phrases you use actually mean amd you simply throw them out there for effect.
Again,you offer no support for anything you say. You simply say them and seem incredibly surprised when people actually call you on them.
For example, what did I spin? And how did I spin it?
I should warn you, you are awfully close to being banned from this thread and others.
You made at least two accusations in this latest comment. I questioned them. From experience with you, I don’t expect you to rationally address any of them. )
(MN: MSAMU, all you have done is expressed an opinion. Most of your comments have been nothing more than opinions. LarryD does not simply express an opinion.
For example:
You said the Apostles were all untrained. (an opinion unsupported by the Bible).
Msamu: I said unlearned-uneducated not untrained, MN your wagging the dog
LarryD said the (Apostlese) were trained for three years by Jesus (clearly supported by the Bible)
Where did I say the Apostles were not trained buy Jesus?? please MN be responsible print what I said if not wagging the dog
You said: Book learning never did anyone any good (an opinion)
Msamu: I said ” education as good as it is cannot lead men to Christ” your spinning
LarryD said: It’s the learning that helps us to apply the Bible to our lives (a view more than supported by our experience and consistent with Paul’s admonition that we study (learn) and apply the truths of scripture to our lives. It is consistent with the existence of teachers within the Body
Msamu: I agree with you 110 % have we argued life in the light of scripture, MN??????
So far, you have come to the table with nothing but bad grammar, poor (if any) logic, and incomplete sentences.
Msamu: am I the only one with BGPL MN or is this personal???
I love you like the brother in Christ you are, but your bringing nothing to the discussion but unsubstantiated accusations and chatter that, quite frankly, should embarrass you.
Msamu: as I stated before this is your party, you’re the pastor beware lest you become that which you despise
I suspect your next comment will be something along the lines of:
“But we have to trust the Spirit to show us the truth.
Msamu: MN what or who have you put your trust in ?????
The only thing education does is make us arrogant and carnal” (or something along that line. )
Msamu: it is a possibility
Oprah is spiritual but Oprah is not saved. She is not a believer.
We really need to pray for Juanita. She is really out there now. She said in the interview that this was the first beating from Weeks but she has been beaten in other relationships. To her credit she said she is going to seek counseling to figure out why she keeps picking men that she allows to hit her. Pathetic.
She needs help in understanding why she lets Satan continue to use her body even more.
I wonder has she considered staying single? I do believe the scriptures says something about not having the right to marry while your original spouse was still alive.
Which original spouse? The first original spouse or the second original spouse?
(lol)
I believe there is another spouse not mentioned. Before marrying Weaks(ha) her former webpage said that Juanita Bynum resided in New York and that her home had been featured in New York Magazine. This bio also said that Juanita resided with her husband and her red pepper poodle. I know this was on her web page so Weaks may be #3.
Maybe the article was referring to her husband as the “red pepper poodle”??
LOL
her first ‘original’ spouse.
And Jesus met Juanita by the well and asked for a drink…
Juanita was happy to see Jesus and the Lord said “go get your husband”. Juanita replied “I have no husband, I divorced them both”…
Why should she seek counseling on this matter when she and her husband gave counseling on said matters? Which is why I have problems with these people in the first case. Many of these people portray a picturesque lifestyle and marriage, consequently many young couples try to emulate them and get frustrated when they don’t get picturesque results.
Anyway its obvious she is a dominatrix and apparently uses her mouth to cut men “down to size”. I always avoided her messages because she teaches angry anti male messages. She can save her time and energy, maybe it is she who “speaks these monsters into being” with her own mouth.
On the issue of advocacy, it seems very politically correct but domestic violence advocacy as it exists is a waste of time. Why? Because it simply states the obvious by stating that many women are victims without finding any real solutions. Every situation is different. Some men snap, others are chronically wicked by nature and there are shades of gray in between. The biggest weapon against this scourge is exposure, however we can never throw out the possibility of repentance, correction and restoration(under controlled circumstances). Advocacy nowadays recommends only that people are thrown in jail and thats ok in some cases. Ms. Bynum however in becoming and advocate or what not is just going to be another tool in the arsenal of the NOW to further marginalize men.
I do not know what my point is, I think I ma trying to say true Christianity attempts to repair fractured hearts, minds and homes while the worldly approach is separation and destruction. One who professes to teach the Gospel of Jesus should stick to the spiritual side of things because only there will there be true healing and only then will testimonies be birthed.
“Why should she seek counseling on this matter when she and her husband gave counseling on said matters?”
(MN: I think the writer was being sarcastic - as in “Surely the Dynamic Duo has no need to seek counseling for marriage. They were counseling others! Surely they have a better handle on the issues than their…uh…knock down, drag out would indicate! ” It similar to Paul’s fussing at the self-righteous Jews in Romans “do you condemn those who steal with you steal as well?”
I’ve warned you all before that I am a trained professional who makes the sarcasm and parody look easy. Be careful or you might hurt yourselves. Will she and her husband seek real live counseling and not the anointing from T. Dexter? Probably not. I hope they do, but I’mnot holding my breath. )
She would seek counseling if she was truly convicted in her heart…She would seek counseling if she truly understood that it was God’s will to do so.
Maybe I am reading too much into some of these comments, but from my vantage point there seems to be a lot of one-sided assumptions…assumptions of what she won’t do…assumptions of how she won’t change. No matter how we feel about her (and she is definitely not one of my favorites), let’s not assume the negative without at least mentioning the positive. This is just my opinion, but for me to automatically assume that she won’t ever change is in a way to discredit some of the change that God performed in me. If God was able to change many of us…opening up our eyes, I also choose to believe He can do it for Juanita, too. But it is up to Juanita to heed the Voice of God… (MN: I agree. If Paul could change, Junie B can change. If she were to change, I would be pushing to have her appear at the the church I attend. Of course that would be years after the alledged change so I can get some measure of her growth. It’s kind of like the brothers of Joseph. They all changed, but it took twenty years or more for it to show itself. )
Ditto on the thoughts, Tweet.
A lot of the comments do seem one-sided, but the reality is that it’s possible for anyone—even a wolf—to change.
Honestly, though, can’t help but realize the circumstances she’s tolerating may make the PROCESS COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE.
Read through the Book of I & II Chronicles and one will quickly realize what it took for most people at the level of Bynum’s influence to change.
King Manasseh, for example, was at the TOP OF THE LIST for CORRUPT kings, for his actions included idol worship, sacrificing his children, and temple desecration…INTENTIONALLY OFFENDING GOD (II Chronicles 33:1-9), but God showed Him mercy by warning him of the destruction to come…… & Manasseh finally repented (II Chronicles 33:12-17).
ALL OF THAT, however, WAS AFTER HE HAD BEEN BROUGHT TO UTTER DEVESTATION/HUMILATION…..& AFTER ALL HE’D WORKED TO BUILD WAS DESTROYED (II Chronicles 33:7-11)
As long as his riches were INTACT & Manasseh was NOT DEVESTATED COMPLETELY, he would’ve never turned to God QUICKLY…..& EVERY WARNING IN THE WORLD wouldn’t have had the SAME EFFECT
(MN: Again, you presume a great deal with respect to what God could or couldn’t have done. God chose to work as He did in Mannie’s life. And He moved Mannie’s heart to obstinance (like pharoah’s) to complete the work He had planned for Mannie and those around him…and us, for that matter. Mannie didn’t simply turn BECAUSE he lost everything. The unsaved will go to their grave shaking their fist at God no matter how difficult the circumstances. Every day millions of people die with the equivalent of “Invictus” falling from their soon-to-be-lifeless lips. )
Likewise, it MAY TAKE something MORE DRASTIC than ABUSE BEFORE she’s WILLING TO REPENT.
(MN: Since you said “MAY Take” I will only fuss a little. It need not take anything at all for her to be willing to repent. Repentance comes only with a move of God in her heart. And God does not require circumstances to cause this to happen. It happens as a result of His will being accomplished in her life. He MAY use unpleasantness and crisis to accomplish it. But He doesn’t have to. There was no crisis in my life - for example. God acted sovereignly and graciously to open my heart and cause me to respond (Acts 16:14; Acts 13:48). No mention of crises in the references. Short of a work of God in her heart, if she is not born again already (and I suspect she is not), she will NEVER be willing to repent, to change her mind about who Jesus Christ is, to feel any sorrow for her sins as being offensive to God. )
People on Bynum’s level often deal with the pressure to maintain appearances, feeling that they must look STRONG or they’re a failure……. & unless she’s willing to RECOGNIZE the UGLINESS OF ONE’S SPIRITUAL SICKNESS before GOD (Matthew 9:10-13, Psalm 32) & become ABSOLUTELY broken before Him, as opposed to “patching” things up so issues appear more “righteous” than they really are (Luke 18), it’s a lost cause.
(MN: Everybody feels pressure to maintain appearances, whether it’s Bynum in order to keep the business going, or me, in order to be thought well of by my neighbor. The question is how do we respond to it. The unsaved will generally put appearances first. The saved - well, it’s a crap shoot with us. Until she is born again (assuming she is not) she will never be willing to recognize he spiritual sickness before God. I’m not sure of what you mean by the ever popular phrase “absolutely broken.” Sure God requires a contrite spirit, and a broken heart (Ps 51). But what does He mean by that. It sounds spiritual to throw it out there, but that’s awfully easy to do. )
Moreover, one CANNOT SERVE THE KING & MAINTAIN YOUR PERSONAL KINGDOM SIMULTANEOUSLY…… & UNLESS BYNAM’S willing to leave the RICHES, FAME, & EVERYTHING she’s been accustomed to BEHIND (Luke 18:18-30), don’t hope for change ANYTIME SOON.
Nothing short of a “JIM BAKER” experience may suffice for her.
(MN: the comment first note addresses this as well. God doesn’t have to give her a “Jim Bakker” experience to bring her to Him any more than He did that to Lydia or the gentiles. And if He doesn’t act on her heart, no amount of suffering is going to move her toward Him. Check out the terminal wards where virtually all of the people there leap into eternity without Jesus Christ.
So you’re saying David should have given up his kingdom? Do Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and Queen Elizabeth have to walk away from their “kingdoms” before they can be obedient Christians (should they become Christians to begin with)? Or is it that they can’t place those things above Jesus Christ? And of course at this point, the question is “What does being a Billionaire and not putting your money ahead of Jesus Christ look like?
Or does she have to, like Zacheus, be willing to walk away from ILL-GOTTEN riches? )
Sorry Tweet but I must disagree with your assessment of the tone of the commenters. You make the same classic mistake that the defenders of the pimps make and that is you mistake OBSERVATIONS for assumptions.
I, like many others who have commented, have only OBSERVED Juanita’s continued downward spiral since the incident. I have only OBSERVED her use it as an opportunity to further her own personal agenda. (The Juanita Bynum Bill?) I have only OBSERVED her go on record on TBN saying one thing (”I will not break that covenant”) and then the VERY NEXT DAY saying and doing the OPPOSITE! (”the marriage is over although I wont rule out trying a second time.” huh?)
You see Tweet, there is no scriptural support for forcasting a better future for someone in order to IGNORE their present state. So what if Juanita eventually repents?! People need to be shown what she is NOW so that they will avoid listening to such a delutional person. And by the way, what POSITIVE IS THERE TO MENTION?
Also, do you share the gospel with an individual in hopes of what they MAY become or in realization of what they already are, a sinner? I have never seen nor known an individual to have truly repented before God because someone told them “God has a plan for your life!”. I have seen and known people to have truly repented when through the faithful preaching of the gospel they were able to recognize the horrid state they were in as a sinner.
Now I must ask you to either clarify or further elaborate on how Juanita’s potential change has any bearing whatsoever on what God did or did not do in your life. Allow me to say this, as it stands that statement is totally ridiculous. Are you telling me that YOU ever had the same celebrity status as a female evangelist, that Juanita has? Are you telling me that you once were a world famous, self proclaimed Prophetess who received personal messages from God and travelled all around the world to deliver them? Are you telling me that you were once married to a Bishop that you teamed up with to rob more sheeple of their money? Well, even if that were true, what does that have to do with what God may or may not have done in your life? God chooses who He wants and rejects who He wants. Not based on what they do or who they are but based on a choice he made before the foundation of the world. God’s decision to save me can not be invalidated by anything! Therefore the lack of change or the improbability of change in Juanita’s life can in no way discredit the change that took place in your life, if God did the changing. Get it?
Bottom line Tweet is that this is what happens when your heart is in “bleeding” mode rather than “discerning” mode. No one is assuming anything about Juanita or her future that is not able to be observed in the pattern of her present. Either you have eyes to see this or you’re blind. Face the fact that we have to deal with the present state of Juanita in spite of whatever good we may hope she comes to.
First, I don’t see where I said that we are to IGNORE her present. What I am saying is that if it is God’s will and she heeds to His will, she can change from her present state. That is the positive I am referring to…grace. And if I say that grace is not a possibility in someone else’s life, what does that say about the grace God has shown me? That is what I was implying by the “discredit” comment.
Just because we are observing what she is doing now does not mean we can assume that’s how it will always be with her. I don’t see how I am defending anything she is doing. I personally think she looks like an idiot with all her appearances, statements, and the like. But I cannot definitively say that Juanita will NEVER change. People tried to say that about me, but because of the grace and mercy of God, I have changed. I don’t see where change has to do anything with your “status” in the kingdom.
So with that said, if you believe that I am wrong to think that people can change if they submit to the will of God and that equates to me being a pimp defender, then so be it.
I kinda agree with what you’re saying their, about God’s grace…
I don’t get how a women who claims to be a Prophetess and preaches Christ (not?) can stand before men and women and say what happened to her is a social issue!? If you belong to God, doesn’t er’ thang (sp. is correct) that goes on in your life belong to God. How can you say you have new purpose and it not be about the Kingdom? Only the love of Christ can begin to touch what is going on in her life and she seeks or seemingly seeks to make this a national social issue? She kept talking about how she thought, and she said… this is the same women who can point you out of a crowd of thousands and tell you what thus sayest the Lawd about your life? Same women right? . Humbleness is necessary for her first! right? I will be completely honest.. I am unsure of how to really react to all the drama surrounding this “celebrity/evangelist”. My heart is so deeply saddened on so many levels that many have already mentioned. I believe 100% that she can come to know the Gospel of Christ and repent!….. But until/if then.. how honestly should we deal with this situation.
Chelle, God has used the lives of many a christian folk to bless the world, i.e, Martin Luther King. Don’t box God in, his blessing go far beyond our Christian borders. 5 You will see it with your own eyes and say, ‘Great is the LORD -even beyond the borders of Israel (the church)!’ (Malachi 1.5, NIV) He rains on the just and the unjust!
I’m not sure if Martin Luther King was a Christian.
Because of all he did in Civil Rights we all say we’re “not sure”, I often do it myself, but if he was anyone else we’d just flat out say he was not.
Was Martin Luther King Junior a Christian?
(Best to read that before reading the rest of my comment.)
Even in his final speech, his “mountain top” and “promised land” was his own vision of a planet earth in this life that had racial harmony. The issue had very much consumed him.
When I first visited the King Center, I was wondering “why is all this Hindu stuff in here?”… He had let the issue consume him to the point of adopting and co-opting anything he thought would bring about his vision.
For King, it was not a Colossians 3 form of unity of everyone accepting Christ and being one under Him. MLK, Jr. was just about this idea of “unity” for it’s own sake and it’s honestly the same message we’re seeing today from some and don’t hesitate to call false doctrine when it comes from the pulpit now. For example, Rick Warren’s favorite word is “unity”.
What are your doubts based on?
Whether or not MLK was a Christian does not take away from my answer to Chelle, “that God’s blessings go far beyond the borders of the church.” And God uses many people saved and unsaved to accomplish his purposes. You can’t tell me that MLK’s work was not God inspired whether not not he was a Christian. And who are you to say. It’s comments like this that give this site a bad rep. Shut up!
(MN: Actually, comments like that give this site a GOOD rep in that they force the readers to put Christ first no matter the personality being discussed or our feelings toward that personality. Since works don’t save us, the good that he did isn’t proof that he was saved.
MLK did some very good things. No one can deny that. God, in His sovereignty, worked some great events through MLK’s actions, just as He did through Cyrus, Nebucadnezzar, and others. But MLK denied several essentials of the faith, including the inspiration of Scripture and the virgin birth. He ascribed, at best, to what has come to be known as Liberation Theology.
One of the priciple issues at this site is the faithfulness with which leaders professing to be Christians hold to the tenets of the faith. Not all men who deny Jesus Christ (through the denial of the essentials) are pimps. But all pimps will deny some of the tenets of Christianity and do it to their benefit. Was MLK a pimp in the sense I use it for the men and women who grace the pages of this site? I don’t believe so. Was he a Christian? Given his profession and the views he held, I don’t believe so.
Let me put it this way, he would have been very comfortable with Oprah and she would have been very comfortable with him. )
Sorry Brooksdx, What Melvin is saying about MLK is very true. When you get a chance go to Google.com and type in Martin Luther King Exposed, some disturbing sources will come up. Better Yet, send me your email address and I will email you some information about MLK and you can take it from there. My email Address is jahnea@msn.com
Or, why does she get with men, to where she eventually wants them to beat her? I knew that this was probably the first time her husband ever laid a hand on her, because he was partly trying to show her how good of a man he was, and how much he was a step above the men she got with previously.
This is why, I feel, she wanted to break him, so she threw herself out there, one last time, for her to be physically beaten down by her husband, so that she can have an excuse to take him down, as well as build up a potential money making scheme, in order to portray herself as the face/standard-bearer, of domestic violence.
Having said that, I do believe that the punishment the husband will be facing is justified, but I can’t help but to believe that deep down, Juanita kind of wanted all of this to happen…
I would to give my opinion on Bynum. Aside the fact that she is a false prophet, I believe that she has unresolved issues that grew like a cancer, over the years. She may have been abused by someone of an authoritative position, such as a minister. It is possible that she started out on the right track in the faith, but turned left. She may be rebelling against God in a way that if she felt that He doesn’t love her and many of these preachers are fake, why not make money off of Him and she is going to do things her way. You can see the dominance in her personality. If any of you has watched the “Was Week’s set up” YouTube, she stated, in other words that she wants to make a difference or to set her destiny to the world instead of the church. That is a satanic and rebellious statement. If you would please read Isa 14:12-14, Satan did the same. However, this is between her and God and she could be a tool to fulfil God’s prophecy, being an apostate.
Interesting observations…
Seekerman, part of your comment is way off. No woman in her right mind wants a man to beat her, but in a case where a woman consistently chooses a man who abuses her, it could be because the spirit of abuse can be a stronghold, and that spirit (what we call familiar spirit) is a spirit that is assigned the task of causing, in this case, violence, abuse etc. and returns continuously to the person in which it knows will let it in). I do believe that BW was not consistently abusing her, although i’m sure that some of their disagreements were elevated to the point the neighbors might have wondered what was going on. I’m not sure of the “wanting to break him” theory either, but I do believe she orchestrated this to come out smelling like a rose. She knew the Christian community would demand an answer for this situation–not that we deserve one, but she knew we’d have questions, as they quickly set themselves up as marriage authority figures. Not an excuse to “take him down”, Seekerman, but an excuse to walk away and appear justified in doing so. Is JB that vile that she’d destroy a man–her husband–for the sake of a money making cause…i don’t think so. The marriage went awry and she wants to look justified to the Christian community for not practising what she preaches.
I agree that no woman in her RIGHT mind, would want a man to beat her, but there are women out there who have the WRONG mind, to where they want exactly that. I was in a relationship once with a woman, who told me that if I loved her, that I would hit her-WHAT WAS THAT ALL ABOUT?
And I remember my “first true love,” when I was about 18 or 19, getting up all in my face, threatening me to hit her. And when I walked away, she began pushing me, and even kicked me in the keester to boot, as I stepped out the door. Now mind you, I never struck back, but I dumped her like a spoiled hot potato.
She also had the nerves to call me that night, to apologize. She also told me that the next time she acts that way, I have the permission to put her in “check.” Now from her perspective, what does this “checking” entail?
I had another girlfriend, while in college, who use to talk a lot of smack, and walk around with her mouth poked out, but one day when I got in her face, and threw some inflammatory words her way, to where it looked as if I was about to hit her-she smiled and backed down, and never gave me any more problems.
Luckily, I’ve become much wiser since that time, but come on.
And as far as Bynum intentionally wanting to take down Weeks, well-I wouldn’t put it past her…
Good points, Brah…
Not everyone falls into becoming abused ACCIDENTLY….& sadly some have been guilty of planning/inviting it since it’d suit them somehow…..
As crazy as it may be to acknowledge that some women actually are capable of doing that, it shouldn’t be surprising since MAN IS DEPRAVED APART FROM GOD & is destined to spiral further into sin & do things beyond comprehension, including INVENTING NEW ways of doing EVIL (Romans 1:28-32)
(This will be my last post on the Weeks. I sincerely hope and pray that Bynum and Weeks, can come to true repentance, and may God have mercy on their souls.)
On the familiar spirit tip-are you telling me that someone like Bynum can have a spirit, for whatever reason, that will attach itself to her, so that she can choose men that will abuse her?
Okay, is this type of familiar spirit, the type of spirit that will compel the men to beat her, once they got with her, or does this type of spirit compels Juanita, to want men to beat her?
Or, does this type of familiar spirit attach itself onto a host like Bynum, because she opened up the “doorway” in her own spirit, because of her desire and passion, to be a drama queen?
I personally believe that Juanita is the type of woman, to where if she was a man, she would be a total drain on any woman she got with, because of her own toxicity. With men and women like her, they’re so use to drama and unstable environments, so much so, to where if everything was going relatively peaceful in their lives, with their spouses, they would become bored, and get anxiety attacks, and cause some type of disruption.
Again, these attacks will lead them to intentionally ignite some type of drama, for many of these types of men and women, if there’s no drama in their lives, which can bring pain that can lead to a testimony-then it is not a real relationship, or the relationship isn’t truly alive.
You have many men and women in the world, and even in the church, with this type of mindset.
I could be wrong, but I think this is what describes a person like Juanita, and possibly her husband. In other words, with Weeks, if he got with a woman who was submissive, ingratiating, loving and caring, he probably wouldn’t have appreciated her, because she wasn’t as energetic and dynamic, in his view.
So instead, men like him, would rather get with spitfire women, who are sassy, and bold, believing that these kinds of women are attractive in the beginning, only to become disgusted and angry at such women, once their “act” is no longer cute.
This is what I think happened with Weeks at the restaurant/hotel. He saw Juanita for what she really was, to where something hit him, to where he decided that she was no longer worth the effort in trying to reconcile with. Simply put, she no longer turned him. And I’m sure he told her this, in no uncertain terms.
As he got up, angry, disgusted, and full of hateful rage, and feeling like a fool for even wanting to reconcile with her (because I feel that it was he was pushing the reconciliation buttons, until he had a little talk with JB),he walked out of the restaurant, the hotel, and into the parking lot, where she followed him- talking smack that attacked his manhood and dignity (she probably even rebuked him in the name of Jesus).
He therefore turned around, and pounced on the object of his hatred and scorn, and the rest is history.
This is what I believe truly happened. And I realize that it may not be the whole story, but it is a part of the story.
MJ,
It’s been a while since I was able to post, but have you gotten any information about paula White’s announced divorce?????
(MN: Rev!!! Where you been?!?! I’ve been reading some of your old comments just for the memories. Hope all is well including the more or less new child. )
I’ll need you to break this one down for me cause I don’t see her as a high apostate that you apparently see her as. Although her focusing on an issue instead of her ministry is a bad move. Pretty much what I saw was her trying not to bad mouth Weeks and raise awareness of her experience.
So what did you think of her before this news of her fight with Weeks ever occured?
Not much a Jakes project nothing more or less.
And Jakes is a heretic who speaks of a false christ. The false christ of Jakes and Bynum only moves on the command of them receiving money AND their false christ has no concept of Father, Son and Holy Spirit making a Trinity, rather the false christ of Jakes and Bynum is of the false teachings of modalism.
So even before this event with Weeks in the media ever occurred, she was a high apostate who was brought up under a high apostate named TD Jakes.
Is Juanita Bynum a oneness pentecostal as well?
You know Jakes is and he brought her up the pimp ranks. And you know that Bishop Weeks Reeks…of Oneness.
Do you think Weeks beat her in a debate over the Trinity?
Actually I found out that her roots are in COGIC so I guess she professes the trinity but doubt if she even believes at all.
Most people who embrace Oneness started off with the understanding of the Trinity.
I have never cared for her. She is a poster child for angry black women. I was not surprised. A man with low tolerance and a mouthy woman, bad combination.(Hey please don’t get on my case, I ma not excusing a beatdown)
Hi Danharr!! Well, it depends upon what you view as “high apostasy”. She claims to speak for God when she says things like this while pimping for money on TBN;
* “You need to send a thousand dollars. If you can’t send a thousand, send five hundred… if all you have is a nickel, wrap it in tissue and put it in an envelope. If all you have is your clothes, send them.”
Did God tell her to say that?? No.Then she’s a false profit.</