(Sarah)Thats cute sparkles, another one of my many sources, here ya go liddle (little) doggie doggie:

(GV) ALL your “source” says is that the word is a MASCULINE ADJECTIVE. Nice work Sherlock. We all KNEW THAT because of the little (Masc.) that came after the word.

What you HAVEN’T done is cite a source that says the MASCULINE means that the Paul was addressing ALL MEN in the world rather than ALL MEN in his audience.

Don’t try to blow smoke up our posteriors. HERE is what you said was true in the Greek, and what you STILL haven’t cited a source for.

(Sarah)”Now this guy GaryV is really making it as if we are stupid. Romans 5:19 does not say most. It says “Many”, which is a masculine noun referring to all of humanity.”

(GV) THIS is what YOU said. All your “sources” say is that the word is masculine. NO ONE ever said it wasn’t (with that little MASC. after the word and all).

What I am TELLING you is that the masculine DOES NOT mean that Paul was addressing everyone in the world. WHERE IS YOUR SOURCE for saying the masculine makes the verse mean that Paul was addressing all men on the planet?? HMMMMMMMMM??? That was what you SAID was true.

What happened was THIS………..you TRIED to find a source of authority from the Greek and COULDN’T. SO, NOW you try to change the question to what the gender of the noun was instead of whether the gender means Paul is referring to all men on the planet.

In other words, you got caught in your error, found NO sources to support you, so decided to try to deceive us by changing the question you asked, hoping no one would check. In other words, you’re a liar.

(Sarah)”pollôn — adjective; genitive plural masculine of many — of many …

“…masculine plural of the article ho, “the”; polloi, nominative masculine plural of polus, “many. … A compound noun used as an adjective…”

(GV) YUP……..just like it says after the word (Masc.). Again, nice detective work Sherlock. NOW, WHERE do your “sources” say that the use of the masculine noun means the verse is referring to all men everywhere?? Because THAT is what you claimed, ain’t it Sparky??

(Sarah)A masculine PLURAL, compound noun….USED as an adjective. That is where THIS
comes in.

The ROOT buddy.

(GV) Another attempt to deceive. I WAS THE ONE who pointed out that this was the ROOT word. remember?? When you saw the word, YOU claimed I must be dyslexic and had misspelled it when I WROTE the root form. REMEMBER?? It’s there for anyone who wants to look.

(Sarah)”BTW, are you dyslexic? How did you get POLLOS when I wrote (at least 3 times) POLUS?”

(GV) YOUR words, right??NOW you want us to believe you knew it ALL ALONG. Direct quote from my previous post Sparky………

“Wrong again……….no surprise.Why don’t YOU look at Blue letter??

Pronunciation

po-lü’s (Key)

Part of Speech

adjective

Root Word (Etymology)

including the forms from the alternate POLLOS”

(GV) Liar. You had NO IDEA that this was the root before I wrote it. You thought I had misspelled the word. Unfortunately for you, your posts are STILL there for those who want the truth.

(Sarah)Trace it sparky. Like “Townie” in “Waterboy” with Adam Sandler….. You can do it!

(GV) I DID IT, as I just proved above………also proving you are a liar because you had NO IDEA what I was talking about, or that this was the root. Nice try.

(Sarah)2 Peter 2:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Or this (4a) fits.

(GV) RIGHT LOL!! I’m the one wresting the word when you are in full deception mode trying to hide the fact that you cannot support your error by Greek authority. You’re citing sources that do NOT address your contention that the masculine noun means that Paul was addressing all men on the planet. Were you just hoping that if you covered up the question we were arguing that no one would LOOK at the sources you cited?? NONE of them support your claim.ALL they say is that the word is masculine, NOT that the masculine does what you CLAIMED it does.

(Sarah)Interesting how that you aren’t even talking about whom Paul was addressing anymore. Now its, what he was saying down to the Greek etymology, to “Hey scholar”.

(GV) You’re not very bright are you?? That’s ALL I’m addressing is who PAUL was addressing. YOU claim that the masculine means he addresses everyone on the planet, I am saying that the masculine does NOT do that, neither does the feminine OR the neutral,and you CANNOT cite a SINGLE source to support you. Nice try again……….well, not really. Too easy to show the proof from your own posts.

(Sarah)”Now this guy GaryV is really making it as if we are stupid. Romans 5:19 does not say most. It says “Many”, which is a masculine noun referring to all of humanity.”

(GV) THAT is what you said………….we weren’t arguing whether the word was masculine, so stop lying. YOU said the masculine means that Paul was addressing all men in the world. That’s pure garbage, and you KNOW it (now). But rather than admit you are wrong, when you couldn’t find a source to support your boneheaded assertion, you tried to lie and deceive this MB by changing the question at hand, and citing sources you HOPED we wouldn’t check out. Too bad. Your true colors are clear for all to see. You tried to lie and deceive your way out of being humiliated. So be it. You hung yourself with your own stupidity and lies.

(MN: And this, boys and girls, closes this exciting episode of “Jesus Died for All - No! He Died for Some!” Tune in next week as we talk about “Jesus and the Pearl of Great Price - What Is It and What’s It Got to Do With You?”. )

1. When talking to a wolf, warn him a couple of times. If he doesn’t decide to amend his ways, move on about my business, specifically, stay away from such a person. But don’t forget, this is a part of what comes just before and after:

8 The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people. 9 But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. 10 As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, 11 knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

We should devote ourselves to good works, not argue about foolish controversies. We shouldn’t argue about myths and legends, and genealogies associated with those legends. Take a look at the area around 1 Timothy 1:4.

If a person comes in and insists on discussing myths and arguing about the law, you should, as pastor, try to stop them. If they insist on disrupting growth with trivialities - majoring in the minors, you need to walk away from them.

Why was this kid arrested and cuffed in the first place? Is something being left out of the story? I’ve been stopped for speeding, and so has almost everyone I know at some point in their lives. However, unless they didn’t have a valid driver’s license, or had drugs in their car, or were driving a stolen car, they were merely ticketed. WHy was he arrested and cuffed? And, if he moved the cuffs, okay, the one shot where the officer broke his hand, but why the additional Rodney-King style tag team match? If I’m missing something, please let me know. I’m not anti-police,but this doesn’t look good.

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/wwl072807tpbeating.b7d9034e.html

(MN: I saw the story on the station’s page. But I’m not real clear on why you posted this comment. Please clarify. )

Jeremiah 25:23-5 — They have not listened nor inclined their ear to hear [WHAT THUS SAYS THE LORD]. They go after other gods—mammon—and worship them.

Jeremiah 29:19 — They have listened to false profits/profitesses who made us trust in lies.

Jeremiah 32:33 — They have turned their backs to God the Lord, though HE alone has taught them, teaching again and again; neither would they listen and receive instruction.

Jeremiah 35:14-15 — They do not listen nor incline their ears to turn from their wickedness.

God in the flesh–JESUS–continues in the New Testament using that word, again and again, in Matthew 5:33, He “assumes” that they have heard… Did they? Verse 13:45 and 47, “Again…”; 18:19, “Again I say to you…” [JESUS is still speaking]; and 19:24, “Again I say to you….”

“Ah,” they say, but that’s the Old Testament, and we’re under grace now.” Foolish fellows and fellowesses (this one’s on loan)! Romans 15:4 speaks to the Whole Family of God: “For whatever was written in earlier times was written FOR OUR INSTRUCTION, so that through perseverance and the encouragement OF THE SCRIPTURES we might have hope.”
Oh, BTW, Jesus (God in the flesh) does expect us to READ for ourselves, e.g., Matthew 19:4 — And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female…,”
To the false profits/profitesses, wicked, hirelings, plagiarists, thieves, liars, adulterers, deceivers, slanderers, you who forget God and His Word, read carefully Psalm 50:16-23.
Sorry Mel about all the CAPS but they’re strictly for the benefit of the doubters and those who don’t read for themselves. Couldn’t locate proper placement for this comment; please accommodate, thanks, B

nice comeback jeeperscreepers 32, you have not addressed the principals I presented, and while you continue to ask me for scripture which I have supplied in that the bible is a life document and the principals I out lined are their, you and your crew not only have not given any scripture supporting your stand, you also have not given even a command sense reason for your stand, O I forgot your reasoning is that “no one knows every thing”, yah and big foot lives in the forest. Let’s stop the pit pat, your religious nonsense that has weaken the body (and theirs proof for that) please give scripture to support your “sit under a pastor that no in scripture was ever called until you die theory”, remember were still in the body of Christ, leaving a building does not mean I’ve let the body, please give if possible scripture to support the” you need a home Church” teaching as well, were still waiting. You do know theirs coloring for your gray so you can fix that, sorry there are no scripture verse for coloring your gray so you’ll have to pray on that.

Excuse me if I may interject on something. If a so called prophet or minister goes beyond his calling, then it becomes a question of whether or not he was called in the first place. If he can be correct on one issue and incorrect in another, then that sounds to me like a false prophet who happens to have the case of “a broken clock being right twice a day.” I saw IC’s blog on Benny Hinn, calling him a broken clock. Prophecies that haven’t come to pass is a testament in itself that it is impossible for them to be anointed by God as they claimed. It is true that it is hard to find a church that preaches true gospel and many of us are brokenhearted, in need of the true and living God but may He help us find our way. Amen.

If you do better, I’ll reconsider. But for now - give it a rest. )

To Jcrep32 You gave me back Ephesians 4:11, 12 you are here to assist people I agree total with “that” assist. Now that they have there own “BIBLES” now not like back then they didn’t have There own bibles it’s not the same. This is the problem now we have our own bibles so things have change. Ephesians 4:13 the perfect man has to happens since we are to assist onto that point it has to happen some day. Hebrews 5: 11 only the “dull of hearing needs to assist forever not the full of age” 5:12 tells you of that person is the one still on “milk” not everybody please this is a traditions statement that “we” use on people not to grow up “IN” Christ and eat meat. So we can keep them as babes until they die. Hebrews 5:13 we are to assist them off of the milk that’s the sent “men” of then and now. Just like in the natural we humans can’t understand when a grown “man” can’t stand On his on two feet. We say something is wrong with that picture he’s a “grown” man don’t we. I just read you and Gary stuff so we will continually Go down this road with your no proof please give one verse of the PASTOR not Ephesians 4:11, oh I forgot you already did. You gave Ephesians but that is tired trying to justified you self or any body else. Hebrews 5:14 what in world those this mean man? Those strong meats is the word of God. We need to be “SKILLFUL” in it, not PRIDEFULL Can you admit that? When is your Job at stakes WHEN for having them on baby bottles all there life. WHEN are you held accountable for your so-called sent calling when never ha!!! Hebrews 6:1 wow it SAYS let us go on to what he didn’t say that did he!!!! “PERFECTION” this is sad because you will not address this stuff to keep yourself in traditions that’s a sad thing. Don’t try to use verse 3 to say see God said kept them babies for ever. NOW if you are going to call me a preterists then please tell me where you stand if you going name calling To fight battles for your Traditions I will be asking from now on don’t SAYNOTHING if I can’t Say anything back. GET SOME GUTS PLEASE and write your VIEW PLEASE!!!! BECAUSE I will be asking any I mean ANYBODY to get some GUTS. TO put Does so-called we got it right things up PLEASE. YOU have to be one of these I think, Historic Pemillennialism.Post Millennialism, Amillennialism,
Dispensational Premillennialism there we go I
did it for you. By the way I hope you And and Gary see EYE to EYE BECAUSE one of your vision is blurry in all of those views. So I sad that to say this GUYS lets NOT go DOWN that road Again I had enough of the PRETEISM comments with out no GUTS to Put up or SHUT UP leave it out. BECAUSE my dad use to say if you can dish it out you better be able to take it WHOEVER that is I didn’t start this MN!!!!!!! Back to Ephesians 4:14 that we henceforth be no more “CHILDREN” TOSSED!!!! To and fro DID you do this YET for some of them?
Babes who sit under you by the way where is that in the bible? The problem is we have CHILDREN teaching CHILDREN so nobody can eat MEAT!!!! This is why the every wind of doctrine by the Sleight OF men be who ever that Address let it fit. We always try to use the PIMPS with this and rightfully So. That’s why those slippery PIMPS think they are slick. Because they no the body of Christ is nothing but baby bottle drinkers not All of
them. AS long as people like you and Gary saying one day they will get it. More Enfamil kept in coming so they want be able to discern for “them selves” So they can’t escape that BABY TALK SENDROME THINKING. They don’t need you or any body to DISCERN between Good and Evil they will have GOD, JESUS, HOLY GHOST, THE BIBLE wait a minute you should be on this list to assist them!!!!! WE never said we don’t
Need people to fellowship with so don’t start that it’s not working. Fellowship is a whole new topic of talk so don’t try that to help your cause. Putting up the books of the bible what was that for we know them just
like you my friend that makes me laugh!!

There were both mature and babes in these fellowships. The mature helped the babes grow, a body of saints helping one another.

Oh wait a minute my grey hair on my chin is maturing at this very moment it’s too “mature.” Its pulling itself from my face and leaving… farewell.

Do you get my sarcasm Msamu crew? The mature saints should not leave the fellowship but help other saints. Just as the grey hairs on my chin haven’t left my body but stay and enhance the already handsome, suave-looking brother that I am. Just take my word for it (Well me and my wife’s word. Ok my mother’s word too, and that’s it.)

Your response is beautifully written BTW.

(MN: Actually, it’s part of the software. If you include a web address, it will build a link to that address in your name. All I have to do is take out his web address. But why would I do that? I want you to get a good dose of conservative reading. )

Well anyway let me do my best to make my position clear. A pastor is not Lord , Daddy, boss, king, big poppa or source of all things spiritual. He assists the believer in his/her spiritual walk and journey toward becoming more and more like the Christ and not himself. This is not a job that is his exclusively of course. Other saints’ situations, tests,trials and temptations work to the perfecting of the saints. Ultimately its the Holy Ghost inside of every believer that is to lead and govern our lives. As I said earlier a pastor/elder/shepherd should teach the people he serves to feed themselves.

You read so much into my last post that I had to make sure you were adressing me. You Msamu and your boy DTG (the preterists oh I mean covenant evolutionists, ebonicists or whatever) will all ways have extremely different, off views as far as I am concerned because you believe that Jesus has already returned. I guess in my opinion, that unblical view clouds most of the things you brothers say.

May the force be with you.

Kyle

Because man is inherently evil, mankind will by its nature NOT be able to profess the truth regarding scriptural matters when operating outside the will of God. This is the reason why many people can be so right on one issue and so wrong on another. In many ways this goes back to Armenianism and Predestination. In my walk I have gravitated away from the idea that “I” was the one who accepted Christ on my own merits. Just as YesuMulungi shouldn’t think it was “GOD” who gave him these prophecies. Clearly it was “HE” who came up with these things “himself” which is why they did not come to pass. This is not uncommon. As mentioned before Jack VanWimpy was solid until he began his ecumenical movement in the mid 80s. Since then he now reads the Koran and believes space Aliens rule the planet (no lie, check the You Tube). So in closing this YesuMulungi and the Manning’s of the world are on the inevitable path to absolute blasphemy. Eventually if they don’t stop they too will begin to espouse the prosperity gospel, the very thing they set out to debunk.

Kyle

You say it’s “in there”. I can’t find it.

Kyle

“Neither one of us has reached a level where we don’t need continual teaching and instruction”

Your above comment is sad; life is an ever learning experience; the learning process never ceases till we die, just as our walk in Christ. Please explain why is it you think believers need to be in a controlled environment to “continually” learn? While you search the scripture’s!

I think you’ve missed the point jcrep32; obviously you have yet to raise children of your own. Learning does not cease when you put the books down, it just begins the real life application of the learning process. “Train up a child when he is young and when he matures he will not depart,” of the many responsibilities of the body one is to train another to release another limit control. Human beings learn from their experiences as well as in a controlled environment, as we apply the lessons learned in the class room of our infancy our daily lifes will force the believer to make needed adjustments as the spirit of truth “brings all things to their remembrance” the believer becomes with experiences better able to deal with life as well as their success but more importantly our failures. This fundamental principle in human behavior produces a mature man and woman of God as well as in life. Sadly your logic not only restricts and limits the learning process it denies the pupil the opportunity to grow and to know God outside of the controlled learning environment. The Spirit of God that every true believer has that has been properly equipped by the word must now rely solely on the Word of God as its guide and not as much on man when discerning God’s intentions in and for their life, this does not mean a mature believer should not seek council or prayer or fellowship, it just means the Spirit of God in the believer is growing mightily as the Word of God produces in the believer maturity. Amen
I know site scripture, Ok I will

See the BIBLE you’ll have to start from the beginning and read it till the end, It’s in their

Katrina supposedly wiped out Morton’s buildings. Then Tyler (he dress like a woman) Perry bailed him out. Because Mr. dress like a woman is one of Morton’s favorite members at his church/club.

Morton has re-established his Religious Industry empire in Atlanta.