Surprise, surprise! I’ve never been to bible school, seminary, etc. I wouldn’t know where one was within 100 miles of my home. What I do know is the alphabet (that the abc’s), phonics, grammar, etc.

By the way, the bible only says that the Apostles were unlearned in other languages and dialects and even then it wasnt’ God speaking, it was the men who heard them on the day of Pentecost. Everywhere else in the Gospels we see the words “And Jesus began to teach them…”, “And Jesus taught them saying…”. I expected you to miss this in the scriptures as you’ve done most other things. GOD NEVER PUT A PREMIUM ON IGNORANCE!!!

DTG you asked this: WHY DO YOU TALK TO PEOPLE IN ENGLISH IN THE BIBLE.

I would love to answer this for you but I only have one problem… I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about!

Forget bible school, try elementary school!

I could be wrong in my understanding, but it seems like all the nations of the earth would see Him.

I’m humble enough to listen/read another point of view, but this is one hole that needs to be filled.

Some believe that when Jesus transfigured before Peter, James and John that that was the son of man coming in his kingdom. How can this be when Jesus told them in Matt.17:9 “Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead?” If this was indeed Christ coming in his kingdom, why would he not want them to tell it?

Which is why I didn’t even bother stating the obvious to them and presented them other related events. It’s not the first time it has been rejected, I think GaryV (or somebody) tried to help them with this once before. Jesus told them to wait and Peter told of it later. And of course the entire book of Matthew was not written till later. So even if Peter never wrote a word about it, we still would have been told, later. Why later? Because Jesus said later, but DTG and Msamu feel it needed to be done as they, not Jesus, saw fit.

This is all the benefit of public discourse though. Because many have not been in this extended discussion with our resident preterists (or whatever they call themselves) in various other comments. And if this was discussed with them in private, others would not benefit from rightly divided scripture shared here that refutes the preterists (or whatever they call themselves) position.

So the bottom line is, maybe DTG and Msamu will maintain their position. Most of us who have talked with them before didn’t bother with talk of the transfiguration, because they’ve already rejected it. But Regul8in addressed it and you benefited. So some good comes from this after all. DTG and Msamu, thank you for helping folks learn why your position has no foundation.

Hay maybe the Greek really said

Rev 22:20 I’ll come when I come and shell tarry, then John said, even so when ever you come, come Lord

He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly.

what does quickly mean ?

Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

There are 100’s of scripture that warn the generation of Christ’s day of the approaching day of the lord, please examine statements that Christ, Paul, John the Baptist, Daniel, John said. We don’t have all the answers we believe by faith, there are schools dedicated to the last day’s, Be noble don’t just accept what you’ve been taught challenge it if it’s true should it not stand.

That was really informative. Thanks.

Anyway, they’re never going to answer your questions because something that has not occurred can’t be given answers. So you’ll continue to see spin, questions in response to your questions and so on.

Did you just use Hebrews 11:1 to say that you don’t need evidence? (not evidance by the way) Come on man, the word evidence is in the scripture itself! “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen.”. You guys make this too easy! Also, isn’t it “heard” not heared?

In order to communicate effectively, one must communicate clearly so that the one who hears can also understand. I’ve berated (my words not yours) you about your grammar time and time again. For the most part it was because I had to struggle to understand what you were trying to say. Now I would admonish you to study grammar because I realize it is affecting your understanding of scripture.

Since in the past you have rejected a study of Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew and also theological training, all in the name of what you call “faith”, I will go along with that if you would at least make an effort to learn reading comprehension and phonics. It would help a lot. You will even know the difference between “command” sense and common sense. And the difference between “rock” science and rocket science.

This goes for you too DTG. Since you have chosen the road of the unlearned also, I suggest these same things to you. I’m quite sure that your manifold errors in grammar also translate into a poor understanding of scripture. I would agree that this “understanding of grammar” is not the one key issue but it does help.

In Pity and Love!

That verse is Matthew 16:28 , “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

Out of respect for DTG and Msamu I will address this verse as if I were a first century believer (even though there was no such thing as a “believer” before the resurrection). I only ask for three allowances:
1. That chapter and verse breaks in the scriptures were not in the original text, they were added over 1000 years later for ease of reading. They are not inspired.
2. That the New Testament was written in Greek and an understanding of the finer points of grammar and context should be based on the Greek language. It is foolish to base doctrine on the modern understanding of the English approximation of the Greek.
3. With that in mind - according to Strong’s Greek concordance the phrase “coming in his kingdom” is “Erchomia en Basileia”, meaning “Appear[ing] enveloped in his royal dominion”

So, if I was a guy in the first century and I heard Jesus say “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man [Appearing enveloped in his royal dominion] ” I’d think: “Gee, a subset of the people currently present will see Jesus enveloped in his royal dominion at some point between one second from now and the instant of their death.” Pretty straightforward. Furthermore, I would logically conclude that if Jesus was who he said he was, it would be impossible for him NOT to appear enveloped in his royal dominion during this time frame. On this point I think most Preterists would be in complete agreement with me.

Here’s where we differ. Peterists believe that this event happened around 70AD. But scripture says it happened at a different time. Not 70AD. Not even after the resurrection. When? Try THREE VERSES AFTER JESUS MADE THE PREDICTION! This is where my first allowance comes into play. Preterists stop reading at verse 28 because that’s where the chapter 16 ends, but that was a man-made break! The story didn’t end there! (Look at Mark chapter 9 for a better placement of the verse). If you just KEEP READING, the mystery of verse Matt 16:28 is immediately resolved:

Matt 17:1 And after SIX DAYS [well within the timeframe of one second after the prediction and the instant of death] Jesus took with him Peter and James, and John his brother [a subset of the people who heard the prediction], and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became white as light. 3 And behold, there appeared to them Moses and Elijah, talking with him. 4 And Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good that we are here. If you wish, I will make three tents here, one for you and one for Moses and one for Elijah.” 5 He was still speaking when, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.” (Emphasis mine)

So, three verses (six days) after Jesus predicted that “some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man [Appearing enveloped in his royal dominion]”, lo and behold he appeared to some of the people standing there enveloped in his royal dominion! But hey, don’t take my word for it. Let’s hear what someone who was actually there has to say about the event:

2 Peter 1: 16 “For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and COMING of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son, [9] with whom I am well pleased,” 18 we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. 19 And we have something more sure, the prophetic word, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, 20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.”(Emphasis mine)

It’s “almost” as if the Holy Spirit inspired Peter to write this in anticipation of Preterism! (LOL!!!)

Well, there you have it. Congratulations Preterists, you’ve been freed from albatross of Matt 16:28 hanging around your necks. No, no, don’t thank me. It was my pleasure.

(MN: Make sure y’all get everything out that you want to. Tomorrow evening I shut down the discussion. )