Every once in a while I like to change up the pace, deal with something that isn’t quite so…um…depressing. And that’s where Little Stevie Wonder comes in!!!
As you know, one of my pass times is visiting Little Stevie Wonder’s site to see what he is up to now. Yes, I realize this is a sad statment on the quality of my life. But that’s beside the point.
Usually, he has some weak-kneed preacher or preacherette on display. Occasionally he will promote a straight-up pimp. But recently, LSW demonstrated that he is the master of irony - though I don’t think it was intentional.
In one of his latest posts, entitled “Does the Devil Read Our Press Clippings?” LSW has a fit complaining about folks who promote themselves. Yes, that’s right. Mr. “I Had Thirty Billion Hits This Month” Smith, the man who lists his speaking engagements from thirteen years in the past, apparently has a hard time with other people who promote themselves. Go figure.
He says:
How can the Body of Christ spend so much time tooting our own horns, when our cities are under attack?
Then he writes:
Maybe we should spend less time positioning ourselves in a flamboyant manner and more time putting our known enemy on the run!
Now don’t get me wrong. I think it is inappropriate for a minister of the Gospel to promote himself or the work he is doing in the manner Stephen has done over the last several months. John the Baptist pointed out that we must decrease while Christ increases. And people should see the Christ in us. But I think it is deliciously ironic that he would come out with a post focused on that very topic.
Sure the post was more pabulum and his theology still sucks. But this time it was such ironic pabulum.
I love this job!
Why is it ironic? Pimps mix darkness and light on a regular basis. Often preaching strongly against the very same thing they do themselves.
Jesus called a lot of people “hypocrite” you know.
This is not irony. It’s just another example of the characteristics of a pimp.
And since this pimp is so into having women as pastors, I wonder who wears the pants in his house? There really is a relation to home leadership and church leadership if you study the scriptures. And we are the church wherever we go.
Stephen’s mind blurs “preach” to mean both giving a message and assuming a position of leadership in the church, when they are not one and the same. Stephen is OK with both and often promotes women who have the top or near top human leadership position at their own “church”. Over masses of “men”. But it’s all OK with LSW, as long as it sounds good. Obviously the messages from the women he promotes are theologically devoid of truth, like his own messages he promotes, but if you’ve seen someone like Medina Pulling’s work you already knew.
Garyv offered this comment: (posting in case it is removed)
LSW responded:
LSW makes it readily apparent that he’s OK with women assuming leadership positions over men, although his denomination does not. He feels since corrupt men are granted positions, we should just neglect the guidelines provided. The idea of guidelines, is to ensure that ALL follow the guidelines. If some church has a corrupt leader, toss him out. It does not mean let women and mark my words it’s already happened with some, later homosexuals assume leadership.
Is there any group that allowed women leadership and is not now showing sings of being all too open to homosexuality? Some allow homosexuals as leaders and others have the homosexuals up to do things like the music for now and in some cases the passa is in the closet himself.
A friend of mine has a site you all better keep your eyes on.
The AME’s have a woman as bishop now. Promoted by Jamal Bryant. I’m sure Jamal will go for a homosexual next, if he can do it in his lifetime. I could go further, but I’ll stop there…
Why should anybody be suprised at LSW affirming women pastors? All his responses are FEMINIZED like the churches and preachers he affirms.
And AFTER all the times Jamal Bryant was exposed here, look who LSW has featured on his blog.
IC,
Not only did Jamal Bryant promote Vashti McKenzie’s election for Bishop, he was (and may still be) the “campaign” manager for Rev. Ann Lightner-Fuller’s 2008 run for Bishop.
http://www.lightnerfuller08.org/
(MN: First question: How do you know Jamal is the campaign manager? )
I can’t find documented confirmation of his work with Ann Lightner-Fuller (what’s up with that hyphenated mess), but there was NO documentation in any newspapers and such of his work on Vashti McKenzie’s campaign till afterwards. And even that was only mentioned in one article in the Baltimore Afro-American newspaper. I only got that one because I can view archives for a number of media sources and stumbled on it.
So it’s not unusual for there to be no articles, yet. It’s not like the news media cares at this point.
Ann Lightner-Fuller worked under Jamal’s father, as mentioned in this article. So it’s highly possible that the same man that has broken most every standard and command from God in the past is doing it yet again, with the woman who knew him since he was a child.
I’d be surprised if he was not involved in her campaign. For him to be involved in breaking all God’s commands for the church is the norm.
(MN: We’ll take it as an unproven, but not at all unreasonable, non-character destroying rumor. How’s that? )
Bryant has no more character left to destroy anyway.
(MN: Yeah he does. A little something is rumbling down the pike even as we type. )
Dear Melvin & IC:
I have spent some time looking in the Oxford University system and I can’t seem to find a “Doctor of Ministry” degree anywhere! According to the article that IC refers to, show Bryant having a D.Min, not a Ph.D as some other sites list.
Also, it should be noted, that every English School of Higher Learning that I have researched refer to their highest degree as D.Phil as oppose to Ph.D, which you usually get in an American school.
Bryant claims in some places to have the “Ph.D” and in other places a “D.Min”. I definitely smell a “Rat!”
Blessings!
BT
Worth some research by anyone who can reach officials at the schools he’s claimed to attend. Randy White was found to be lying about his education, Bryant could be too.
Jamal received his Master of Divinity (MDiv)from Duke University and a PhD in Theology from Oxford. He doesn’t have a D.Min degree
We may have issues with his doctrine, but he’s not lying about his education. (I’m a member of the A.M.E. Church and I’ve witnessed his educational journey over the years.)
Never anything wrong with having the institutions themselves confirm they granted him the degrees he claims to have.
I’m not saying he’s lying, but I have known people that led folks to believe they were earning a degree for years, when they actually never did.
But lets say he’s got all the degrees. That probably would make him one of, if not the highest educated of those in AME. And to think, many with less formal education are far more capable of holding to more sound doctrine than he is.
It seems any education he has is used to deceive and pull his entire denomination further from the truth.
At this rate, he’ll change the AME church into the African American formerly Episcopal Social Committee.
Hi, IC:
I see what you’re saying now.
Actually, Jamal is more the norm in the A.M.E. Church, in terms of education. A very large number of A.M.E. pastors have DMins or DDivs.
You’re right, though. Many “less educated” people are able to handle doctrine more skillfully than some of their “more educated” colleagues.
“African American formerly Episcopal Social Committee” - LOL!!!
I posted a while back with the same suspicions. There is no indication from listening to JHB’s preaching that this guy learned French, German, Greek, Hebrew, Latin, etc. and wrote a 400-plus page dissertation making a unique contribution to current theological scholarship–along with all the other requirements that an Oxford D.Phil. would require. In their bios, most Oxford grads will tell you which college they went to at Oxford (there are many), what the topic of their dissertation was and who their reader (advisor) was. Something smells funny, to say the least.
Eucatastrophe, please understand that I mean no disrespect, but I really think this is much ado about nothing.
I don’t think that we can draw any conclusions from the fact that in whatever bios you’ve seen for him that he didn’t list the topic of his Oxford dissertation. Maybe I just haven’t seen the right ones, but I can honestly say that while I’ve seen Oxford colleges listed in bios, I’ve never seen dissertation topics listed. Also, there are some preachers who have degrees (real ones) whose sermons (for whatever reasons) don’t appear to be reflective of their education levels. I don’t think we can draw conclusions from stuff like this or base suspicions on it.
Anyway, regardless of how I personally feel about Jamal, I really don’t think he would try to pull a fast one regarding his education. The A.M.E. Church is pretty strict about that stuff and I just can’t see him taking that risk. He might be a lot of things, but stupid he’s not.
Exactly Robin. He isn’t stupid. He isn’t that open either.
Pimps lie. Pimps often puff up the truth about themselves.
I’ve learned never to take JHB at his word, because he is not a man of his word. Maybe he did it, maybe he didn’t. Maybe it was confirmed throughly, maybe not. I say only those institutions could confirm things for certain.
It would certainly matter if he’s lying, because we know pimps use degrees as a means to carry influence. JHB is carrying the AMEs way downhill fast. And people in agreement with him like LSW will do the same with COGIC. Whatever issues those denominations had in the past now include even more, because of men like them and their twisted mentors.
Interestingly, The Graduate Theological Foundation in South Bend has a document that lists a Jamal-Harrison Bryant in their 2005 graduating class as having earned a Doctor of Ministry (D.Min.). Click here.
Visit the link above and then do a word search for Jamal and you’ll see the class of ‘05. Of course, this is not Oxford, but a look at the foundation’s Website at http://www.gtfeducation.org will indicate that students at GTF can visit Oxford for a summer seminar, after which they get a certificate and a lapel pin. Did he go to Oxford? Yes, for a few weeks in the summer during his D.Min. studies. But he wasn’t given a degree by Oxford. Does he have a Ph.D.? No, he has a doctor of ministry. Big difference. Is he being deceptive for the sake of impressing people? Is the Pope Catholic?
Hmmm, Can we say OOps!
Dear Melvin & PPC:
I was intrigued by the information Eucatastrophe submitted in reference to Rev. Bryant’s education. Yes, I did some research about that school and came away with some interesting info.
First, this School IS NOT accredited by the Association of Theological Schools (ATS), and is therefore, not recognized as a reputable Institution of Higher Theological Training. You can actually read the requirements of accreditation by the ATS at http://www.ats.edu
Second, I noticed the requirements for both the Doctor of Ministry (D.Min) and the Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D) and neither one adds up properly.
The Ph.D can be completed as early as two years. This is unheard of in Academic circles! Most Ph.D students will tell you that it will take a bear minimun of four years; but most likely five years when you include the massive thesis and the oral defense of it.
The D.Min can be completed in as little as 18 months. I am currently in a D.Min program at Talbot School of Theology, and it will take me at least four years! There are three years of residency and one year of writing the thesis and the oral defense of it.
When you add this info up, it should be apparent that Mr. Bryant’s so-called “Doctorate” is very questionable, and clearly it was very easy to obtained!
Is it any wonder that the kid is messed up theologically and biblically? He was not challenged and stretched intellectually at all, and consequently, he is faked his way to stardom! Aren’t we black folks something else?
Blessings!
BT
Thanks for the reinforcement, BT. If you keep snooping around, you’ll see they’ve even got an imam on the faculty (http://www.gtfeducation.org/html/Admin/Faculty.html).
If you guys can package enough solid information, maybe get the schools to confirm what Bryant has or does not have. Maybe the BD will produce a post about it?
Melvin, what do you think? I think they are on the tip of an iceberg.
(Melvin, if you don’t run with it, I’ll run it on my blog. Somebody’s got to shine a big bright light on it.)
(MN: Go ahead and take it. I didn’t realize the school was not accredited. I guess I should have though. I was looking at some of the folks who graduated. One guy already wrote Oxford to check on his Oxford story. They basically refused to confirm or deny.
I guess I would hate to think of the implications if McBryant did in fact earn a Doctorate from Oxford. That would almost have to mean that he knows better and that he is in this purely for the money. On the other hand, if he did graduate from a degree mill, he’s perpetrating - - and knows it. Neither way looks very good for him. I think I would hate to be him at either the Bema seat [if he is in fact born again] or at the Great White Throne [if he’s not]. Jealous? Nah. )
Go for it, IC. I mentioned it on my blog, but it’s worth getting the word out … not that it will make a difference to JHB’s fans. Be sure to check out the faculty. I’m not sure who’s funnier, The President Jimmy Carter Professor of Mediation and Pastoral Care, The Henry Bergh Professor of Animal Ethics or the
Professor of Islamic Law.
Good you got it on your blog. I’ll check it out and may mention it too, referencing your findings.
eucatastrophe, I’ve made a post with your findings and about my call to GTF. They told me they’d like to have a talk with JHB.
Bottom line, he’s a liar and we knew it all along!
It was just our burden to prove it and we have.
Great job eucatastrophe and all others who expressed concerns.
What will the AME folks do about this? I expect they will get wind of this and do nothing at all.
BlackTheologian got the ball rolling. So BT you get a special thanks for starting us down this road.
Here’s what I received from Oxford in reply to my request for confirmation of Jamal’s degree
Dear Sir,
I am afraid that as part of our data protection policy, the Alumni Office does not confirm or deny whether or not a specific person has studied at Oxford to people who are not themselves alumni. The Student Records’ Office will verify a person’s qualifications to a set group of interested parties (http://www.admin.ox.ac.uk/sr/verifiqual.shtml).
Best wishes,
Alison Copeland
Head of Communications
Alumni Office
I’ve updated my post about this, to include a graphic from JHB’s club site. Where it notes he claims to have a PHD from Oxford.
As has already been shown, he’s a liar.
Nobody would go to a no-name on-line university with no accreditation to graduate at the same time they went to Oxford. Plus the whole claim of a “PHD”…
IC,
Ann Lightner-Fuller, the pastor of Mt. Calvary AME Church is the wife of Rev. Stanley Fuller, the pastor of Grace Baptist Church in Baltimore. Thus the hyphenated name.
It was a rhetorical question
. I am just against the hyphenated last name nonsense.
If a woman can’t accept a man being head and taking his name while dropping her maiden name, given she’s no longer under her father, it’s just a sign of someone who does not respect order at all. It’s a sign of a woman who wishes she could have the head role like a man. Ann L-F does it in the home and she does it in the church. It’s all very much related. And homosexuals are coming for church leadership roles and homosexuals also wish to call themselves “married”. It’s all very much related to falling away from God’s order for man.
And why does Jamal have a hyphenated first name? Jamal-Harrison Bryant? Now that really is a question for anyone who knows the answer.
(MN: Apparently his Grandad is named Harrison. It “reminds” the AME of Jamal’s illustrious background )
Well I knew Muslims cared about blood lines, but I didn’t know Christians…oh wait, my bad…
The hyphenated names -
Many women have established themselves in their own right in professional arenas and their ministry prior to marriage. Their hard work would not be recognized if they dropped their maiden names. Would you know Bishop Fuller as someone with a long history in the AME church a readily as Bisho Lightner-Fuller? A woman using her maidenname is not disrespecting her husband, simply making a choice.
Ah, but the real question is, should she even be running a church in the first place? The answer is no. And so I don’t reinvent the wheel explaining in an extended comment, you can read why here.
shellw - Is a man the head of a household? Or do you not see any of God’s order for genders that should apply today?
Or do you feel God has a different set of rules for home and a separate set for the church, although the church is the “church” everywhere?
Regardless of a woman’s efforts, she should respect her husband as the head and assume his name without efforts to boast in her former surname. She has left her father and mother and should leave that former name behind as she leaves their house and accepts her husband as her head. Or did God Himself not inspire Paul to write 1 Corinthians 11:8-9?
There is no “requirement” to not have a hyphen, but all who wish to carry the hyphen always have the similar trait of not respecting man as the head, both at home and in regards to the church. And refuse to accept that woman is not to assume leadership over men, 1 Timothy 2:12-15.
Ann Lightner-Fuller disrespects the Lord God in assuming leadership over men.
I think I am in a “who cares” mood…With that said, my comment to this whole hyphenated name mumbo jumbo is WHO CARES!!!! You are making the assumption that a woman who has a hyphenated last name is boasting in her former surname…Could it not be that her parents had no sons to carry on the family name and therefore, she hyphenated her last name to honor the legacy of her parents. Honoring her parents takes nothing away from how she deals with her husband.
The real issue is that she recognizes her husband as the head of the household, correct? At the end of the day, I would think that it is her actions as a wife not how she decides to write her name that really matters most. I think there are more important things that take place in a marriage than a hyphen….
Tweet I think your view of it differs with what shellw said about it. No, lets not continue over a hyphen.
I’m hoping to discuss the greater issue, that is causing churches to move away from any firm foundation. One of the people doing that is Jamal-Harrison Bryant. And LSW by all indications agrees with that effort. To remove the firmly established order for how leaders are selected. And as we see order leaving we’re seeing all sound doctrine flying out the pretty (bought with money that could have been used to feed people) stained glass windows.
And the video on Ann Lightner-Fuller’s campaign site shows she is a co-host on the “Grace and Glory” program. That’s Jamal’s TV show right?
Again, I’d only be surprised if he’s not involved.
There are two Grace & Glory shows. The show that you are speaking of, which Jamal hosts, is aired at 12:05 a.m. on Sunday mornings.
The other one airs at 7:00 a.m. on Sunday mornings and is co-hosted by Ann Lightner-Fuller and Rev. Lee Michaels, pastor of Manifest Wonders Christian Center in Baltimore and program director at Heaven 600 (an all gospel a.m. radio station in Baltimore).
Yes I am in B-More from time to time. My hometown. So it’s like I know some of the stuff, like that Jamal has a show with that name weekly at night, but didn’t know about the one during the day.
I also know about Heaven 600AM. It’s all mostly prosperity styled gospel. Not much of the true gospel is there, at least not when I tune in. It’s like turning on that station and hoping to find a song that is actually true to doctrine and not trying to sound literally just like the world. Like that track “Do you Remember”?… My word, when you’ve got to probably pay a secular artist copyright royalties for the track, you’ve really gone way out there.
Thanks for the clarification.
In my recent visits I’ve noticed Jamal’s signs all over town. They have mostly his face and you’d think he was promoting a club. Oh wait, he started in a club and he does run a club…
IC, its not the same program, although it has the same name. One comes on Saturday night and the other comes on Sunday morning. Nonetheless, she has been on his Grace and Glory show at least once a few months ago. I know because I saw it. I’m always awe struck at how we don’t accept plain teaching. 1Timothy 2:12.
Baltimore Sun
Link to Mt. Calvary - Pastor
Ann Lightner-Fuller is the co-host of Grace & Glory, a Sunday morning Christrian program in Baltimore. After she announced her run for Bishop she interviewed Jamal Bryant and it was mentioned during the interview. She also mentioned it during one Mt. Calvary’s television broadcasts. I saw both the Grace & Glory interview and the Mt. Calvary broadcast quite some time ago. So, I am not sure if he is still her “campaign” manager.
See, the mess you guys must deal with is why I don’t regret moving from Baltimore…
Melvin,
This does not surprise me at all. The same mentality runs through the minor pimps all the way to the big Pimp Paul Crouch. Paul Crouch on one of his Praise the Lord programs said he still lives in the same little house he purchased 30 years ago. What! This man is trying to claim austerity. Ha! This is not a surprise to me because many of these people suffer from narcissism. It’s the old pot calling the kettle black. They are delusional and can’t see their own issues. Hypocrites to the highest level is what they are. They are the self righteous who prey upon others while wiping their hands clean.
Kyle
Thanks for the promotion again! Melvin, this stuff that you put up means absolutely nothing to me. There will be haters like yourself at every stage of life, but thanks anyway for the promotion! One simply can not please everyone and I will simply not try to. By the way, the Blog that you criticized so much is getting more traffic than ever.
I compliment your family on a well deserved basis and you attack me, well so much for pleasing everyone, it is what it is! Melvin I have tried to understand your drift and now I do and it has nothing to do with God. Heal the wound that you have from First Baptist Glengarden first and then consult The Body of Christ on matters of importance. The wound has simply put you on an attack mode for many leaders in the Body of Christ.
You are not the custodian of universal truths, and I sure don’t have to stand before you in judgement, so your multiple opinions simply mean nothing to me! I want to see you prosper and I don’t have any ill will towards you, yet I am not a puppet that moves with the opinions of men!
It puzzles me when unprovoked attacks like this come from you. Well, I guess I just have to deal with your attacks!. It is a stunning waste for the Body of Christ at such a crucial hour!
Yours in Christ,
Elder Stephen F. Smith
Pastor-Sure House Church, Inc.
(MN: You’re most welcome Stephen. I’m glad I could oblige. And it’s good to see you are still visiting my humble site. It’s also nice (kind of) to see that you are consistent. You use lovely phrases but never actually address the issues. You turn sincere, and I believe valid, questions into attacks. You generate a lot of words, but never really get to the core of the matter.
Stephen, if I were attacking you, there would be no doubt whatsoever.
Now, instead of apparently fuzzing up the issues, how about dealing with the substance of my statements. In all of your writing you have tried to come across as the poor attacked innocent, never dealing with the true issues. And so far, it has failed to work. At best you look misguided. At worst you look somewhat dishonest.
For instance - you have never owned up to your intense self-promotion. Even now you behave as if you are totally innocent. You did not address the 13 year old itenerary. You haven’t addressed the self promotion you have been engaging in (”My site has gotten a billion hits in the last hour. And once we hit a trillion, we’re going world wide. [Okay, I’m exaggerating a little bit. But just a little.]. Instead, you have, apparently, tried to set it aside by playing not just the victim, but the victim who is willing to forgive his attacker.
Again, it doesn’t work. I don’t think any one of the seven people who visit this site are going to fall for it. And more than that, I don’t think any of the members of your congregation who visit this site are going to fall for it. They may, someday, ask you to explain your really poor behavior. I’d buy a ticket to see that one.
You tell me I am attacking you when I point out that you are doing the very thing you are railing about. You call me a hater. Hmmm. Who’s attacking who?
Again, thanks for visiting. You are still proving to be an excellent visual aid!
Oh, and don’t try to counsel me. It makes you look very silly in light of all the statements you keep making and it sounds so disingenuous. )
uh oh, melville and stephen are at it again. note to self: stock up on carrot sticks.
Ditto…….The way the dialouge between them takes place, I can’t help but be humored wondering what it’d look like if these two ever met in real life, like simply shopping for groceries at “Publix” or “Family Christian Bookstore”…
Can you spare some change, Sis Mav, for the popcorn this time?
well gdubsy, only because it’s you… i left a dollar out in the vestibule for you to get your own bag. never let it be said that mrs. mav doesn’t come thru for her friends.
By the way Stephen, one of the reasons you are such a powerful visual aid is precisely because it doesn’t mean anything to you. As a pastor, it should. As Christian seeking to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ, it should. But as you said - it doesn’t mean anything to you.
Dear Melvin:
I just had to chime in a comment or two in reference to little Stevie. If he writes again, ask him why does he “READ” his Sermons? Can’t he speak with authority about the subject matter that God supposedly gave him?
People want to see the person who is addressing them. If he needs some help with preaching without notes, please tell him to give me a hit.
Blessings!
BT
Who cares if he reads the sermons or uses notes?! It’s the content of such where the issue lies, is it not?
(MN: It may be somewhat apocryphal, but apparently Jonathan Edwards read his sermons from the pulpit. “Sinners in the Hand of an Angry God” apparently had big tough men in the aisles, crying out for salvation. Go figure. )
Thanks again Melvin. I don’t understand you, but you have the right to be you! Let the wound heal, I had to let one heal, and move on!
(MN: More examples of saying things that have nothing to do with the issues. )
By the way Melvin, since I pay for my website and it’s design, what does my what I have on it matter to you! Pay for it for am month or two and I will make the changes that you want me to make on the events page. I haven’t updated that page, but I promise that I will!
(MN: It matters because it such a good example of the generally cookie sheet shallow Christianity most people are encouraged to engage in. It is an excellent example of what to avoid. The fact that you pay for it is certainly commendable, but that has nothing to do with whether or not I’m interested in it. It wouldn’t even make a difference if your church paid for it. )
Again Stephen, the question isn’t why am I interested. The question is why do you have itinerary items from THIRTEEN years ago. It’s not a matter of updating the page. The information was put there when the site was created. I don’t believe the site has been there thirteen years.
So why did you list your itinerary from 1994?
Because for him the whole thing is a tool for self promotion. Just like the other pimps.
It’s really not commendable that he pays for it. For him, it’s just a business investment.
Hey Stephen, you thought about giving to the poor yet? Or do you want to run that “poor will always be with us” line by me again?
Just a shame, a Black preacher gets a building in a better off side of town and is not even making an effort to give the poor the money he’s shouting out of people’s pockets, by telling them their “next level” is coming.
Melvin, please open an account so that we can donate to the “Make LSW Go Away Fund”. He has acknowledged that he can be bought, or at least moved to make changes, by money. Perhaps we can get a price on what it would cost to make him just go away. I’ll start off with $100!
Watch the pimp at work!
Labor pains, yea, that’s the ticket!
Check this video out, and then look at the comments he praising himself with “preach Steve preach…., etc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgq1nOvDlbA&mode=related&search=
(MN: By the way, he even controls who can post on on his videos at YouTube (aka NarcissusTV ) )
And the difference between LSW (aka Pastor Stephen F. Smith) and Joel Osteen is?…
Oh yea there is a difference, LSW lives in TN, not Texas
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Melvin, I wasn’t preaching anywhere in 1994! I accepted my call in 1994 and I took my first engagement outside of my home church in 1999! That’s not thirteen years! I joined my former church in 1993!
(MN: The last item in your itinerary, from your church’s website:
2007 - 1994 = 13. )
Melvin, Little Stevie is not interested in answering your question, he uses a lot of words without saying anything. Almost everytime he is comfronted about something he tend to whine and play the victim, and act the “father forgive them for they know not what they do say” part. Everyone sees through this guy. Looking at this guy’s face in the picture above, you would think he would have something reasonable to say, then when he finallly says something you begin to question is that really him or is it an 8th grader talking.
Someone pointed out once how awkward he’s holding his hands. Kind of helps to show off his COGIC bling
!
Yea YOU accepted YOUR CALL, as in you called yourself and have been promoting yourself ever since!
Once you start working harder to give some money to the poor, do more than have shout sessions and more than Joel Osteen type moments in suburbia, then you’ll be answering the call of the Lord.
Stephen, maybe because of the environment you came up in, you felt that putting up a building, mandating tithes, funding the building and going around making people jump is ministry. I ask you to review the actions of the apostles of Jesus Christ and their disciples and see how out of step you really are.
It seems you have found an “arch-enemy”, Melvin.
(MN: Unfortunately, according to Native American (which for the sake of brevity shall be referred to as “Indian”) custom, you are measured by the stature of your enemies. I guess this doesn’t give me much in the way of stature. )
To the Pulpit Pimp Hunter-Yes it was indeed an honor to be chosen to preach in those time periods by the one of the greatest, and since it’s my website I will keep it on there. Your collection of haters here are funny sometimes, but your intense jealousy is starting to become apparent. (MN: But you said you didn’t do any preaching back in the 90’s. Now you’re saying you are proud of it? Which is it? )
Let’s see, you talk about Creflo Dollar and his ministry hasn’t taken a hit. (MN: I talk about the Mormons too. They haven’t taken a hit. What’s your point? ) Neither has Medina Pullings, Paula White, Bishop Eddie Long, Bishop T. D. Jakes, Pastor Jamal Bryant, Pastor Michael Freeman, Pastor John Jenkins, Bishop Noel Jones, Prophetess Juanita Bynum, Kenneth Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, and so many others that it would take nearly a year to name! (MN: So what? They’re pimps. I am not trying to make their schticks “take a hit.” I am warning people to stay away from them. If a couple leave, that’s fine too. You still don’t get it after almost a year at the site. )
The you might be sitting under a pimp barrage last week was low class and you audience here is definitely diminishing! (MN: And you know this how, exactly? ) I will never ever post on here again; however I will respond to your types from my blog. You are an accuser of the brethren and not a crusader for truth. This blog is not correcting anyone and it only seeks to discredit men of God that are committed to the kingdom! (MN: Committed to the kingdom - using the “ministry” jet to go fishing. Siphoning on 3.1 million in cash and stuff while managing a charitable organizaion. Getting plastic surgery so you can “look the part.” Yeah, definitely men and women after God’s own heart. More like pimps after the saints’ money. )
It is classless to post the pictures of preachers at this website which has denigrated to pablum of the lowest order. (MN: I suggest you learn how to use the words “denigrate” and “pabulum” This sentence made no sense what so ever. ) The Stevie Wonder comments don’t offend me because my grandfather called me that for years. Your wound from your prior church is evidently festering. Did they not let you preach, or did the pastor forget to call your name before you started bashing other preachers and the Body of Christ as a whole?
God does judge this kind of behavior! Since you are going to edit this, this will appear in it’s entirety on my blog! (MN: Aw, come on Stephen, You know I always make it clear what I have added. Always have. Always will. And of course, I at least let just about anyone post a comment. )
Respectfully Submitted,
Pastor Stephen F. Smith
(MN: Sorry to see you go Stephen. I had hoped you would have the testicular mass to actually answer the questions that have been put to you. But apparently you are too busy playing at church to engage me or anyone else in meaningful dialogue.
You still haven’t answered the questions. However, if you will answer them in your very controlled environment, I can work with that. All I ask is that you answer them.
Oh, I see a bit of progress. At least now you are ‘fessing up to your approval of the pimps and pimpettes. Very good! Or as my old “passuh” would say: “I’m proud of you, man.”
One last thing - is your position so weak that you feel you have to deal in attempts at personal insults rather than addressing the issues?
Mav - Never mind about the carrot sticks. Besides, I’m not really hungry right now.)
after reading this last blog by stephen, i actually feel sorry for the guy. my heart is broken for him because he seems to honestly believe that the preachers he named are genuine men and women of God. it’s sad that he still doesn’t get it. smh.
Didn’t he say that he’d leave and never return when he thought there was a “glory cloud” and that it did not reside here?
where’s the love people
It is love, as prescribed in 1 Timothy 5:20.
I.C I’m so glad you enlightened me to that scripture, but if the rebuke having proven to be ineffective are we to continue rebuking? Or do we hand them over to their own lust and desires and move on?
Well, I told Melvin this guy was a waste a long while back, but LSW is a good teaching tool for warning others about pimps.
Melvin has said he thinks there might be hope for LSW, I still don’t see it, but with Christ all things are possible. LSW just has to decide to do what Christ really commands.
Of course this would require LSW to read more scripture and as you can see from LSW’s many responses and even his own blog, his references to scripture are rare at best.
Being bored, I decided to decode this sentence using dictionary.com:
“It is classless to post the pictures of preachers at this website which has denigrated to pablum of the lowest order.”
Posting pictures of the preachers that are noted as pimps on this site, lowers the content of this site even lower than he already deems it.
Basically, the usual condescending tripe. Using big words intended to make the recipient feel inferior.
I won’t say anything bad about the good pastor, but this. One day, when he has attained all that he lusts after right now he will remember this site. He will get the chance to rub elbows with those that he most idolizes. And when they have left him disillusioned in ways that he cannot ignore, he will remember the “haters” at pulpit-pimps. Who, despite all the bluster and condescension apparent in his comments, have no ill will towards him.
You said:
Just out of curiousity, who is asking you to take it down? I just wanted you to own up to it…as you …kind of…have. Kind of. I think.
Sir,
It seems to me that he has fallen for the trap and played right into your hands by visiting your site. It’s almost as if he’s waiting for you to post something about him. Why he even cares what you think seems somewhat strange to me, because if he is so secure in his beliefs and his teachings he would take the same position as Copeland et al and not even bother waste his time responding.
But here’s my question to you.
When does the exposing of individuals cease? I ask because it seems apparant that once you have labelled a teacher a “pimp” and illustrated his/her falsehood then why continue to lambast and target these individuals. We see the evidence, we weigh it up in light of scripture and we then proceed with our lives either continuing to listen to these people or (as I do) ignoring them completely and moving on.
How many times do we need to hear about Jakes denial of the trinity? How many times do we need to hear about Hinn’s false prophecies or his extravagant spending etc..?
I’m not sure exactly when the watcher stops watching and who infact is watching you? Are you 100% sure that what you articulate on these pages is absoutely accurate? Is there a danger that you could be wrong and thus consequently unfairly labelling someone?
Stephen Smith mentions jealousy. No-doubt an easy line of defence to make, but is there a grain of truth behind that accusation? The apostle Paul regularily exposed false teaching, but he also talked about many other fundamental aspects of Christian living. What is it that drives you to spend all your time focussing solely upon exposing ministries and calling people “pimps”? Is this really something that God would condone and both appreciate and approve of?
(MN: Readership and the pimps’ actions are not steady state. The site serves as a resource of sorts. And current information is always better than ten to fifteen year old info. Additionally, more information (in the form of ads promoting events with each other) appear and should be publicized. People have to be educated, not just once, but continually. The site equips you to talk to those around you. As new people come into the fold, they will be able to benefit as well.
If we leave the pimps to themselves, they will get worse and worse. It could be that I’m spitting in the wind, but I want at least to be a speed bump along the way.
With respect to the accuracy of the information I provide, I always provide my sources so that YOU the reader can check and make sure I am accurate. If I can’t provide the source, I don’t post the fact. In fact, one of the things I do is make the information available to you the reader.
And remember, the site is here for one reason - to expose the pimps. While we cover other things (eternal security, the fruit of the Spirit, Bible study, etc) occasionally, it’s here to discuss the pimps, their doctrine, and how to immunize yourself and your associates against them. That’s why it’s called “Pulpit-Pimps” and not “Christian Livng While Avoiding Wasting Your Money with Creflo.org.”
Jealous…jealous. Hmm. Am I jealous? No. Would I like to get enough money to buy one of the airplanes they own. Yes! But ehen I look at what they are going to face, either at the Bema seat or the Great White Throne, and I can feel in no way jealous. And it makes their trinkets infinitely expensive.
And yes, I think God is quite happy with what I am doing. )
No matter how many deny what is wrong with televangelism God himself will expose these false preachers and all who followed them and had something smart to stay will look foolish, we are not at threat because we descern the preachers wickeness, the preachers who need money from the generally public, their evil preaching mooching careears are at risk. The Generall public will go on on way or another, God has the last say not peoples pridefull money hungry arrogant self seeking opinions!!!
For your consideration:
Naming Names
http://www.handofhelp.com/michael_27.php
(MN: Why not do both, innoculating the body against the virus AND identifying specific carriers? But I can certainly understand his point of view. )
“I will never ever post on here again;…” - Wow!! Is that a promise?!?!?!?!?
Pastor Stephen just says stuff off the top of his head and offers no support for it (e.g. “…you[r] audience here is definitely diminishing!”). But I don’t know why I’m surprised about that because he did the same thing with biblical matters.
The “jealousy” thing was the last straw. Why on earth would Melvin (or anyone else on this site, for that matter) be jealous of him? That’s just goofy.
The Bible speaks of loving your neighbor as yourself, but there are some folks you just have to “love from afar.” He’s one of them for me.
I bid Pastor Stephen farewell in the words of t.v. character “Curtis Payne” - “Love you…when you’re gone.”
Melvin, have you missed all of the news being printed by the Tampa Tribune about Randy & Paula White. It is about time that those two fruads get national exposure for all of their deceptions. I think you should look these stories up.
(MN: I saw them. I’m just trying to figure out how best to handle it. The woman has, in my eyes, already sufficiently shamed herself. All the rest is just dirt on the coffin. John Coleman discussed them last Saturday night. )