One big Joke!

If God wants his ministries, and the ministries are HIS not ours to go forth, HE WILL PROVIDE without anyone having to BEG and LIE for anything!

Did Solomon have to beg for money to build the temple?

I am done with all of them!!!

Every comment I see from this guy is like an effort to stir mess for the sake of stirring it and it all comes back to the Trinity for him.

Was he a pimp as well?

Hiney
Darryl

(MN: Daryl, I’m not going to allow any one to respond to you until you address the essay I posted. It’s cheap theatrics to ask pointless (and I guess in your mind slyly argumentative) questions. Address the essay, then we can talk. You’re done for now. )

Jesus said none on earth was doing it better than John and we see where John was when Jesus made that statement.

Regarding China, I’ve got some friends who are from China. Unfortunately, life there has kept them from caring much about faith, but one of them was happy when his son accepted Jesus here in America and I think the family sometimes attends church because of the son’s faith.

Anyway, they tell me folks in China are buying cars and cell phones now. So I don’t know what the future holds. But all this “blessing” we enjoy carries a load of responsibility we’ve been failing to uphold.

And unlike us who ain’t gonna dream of taking a missionary trip to a place like China or Saudi Arabia, fools for Christ like Paul might take up the challenge. And what a great fool he was. I think he’d use Osteen’s book as toilet paper!

(MN: Nah. The paper is way too rough. )

Those doing wrong are to be exposed publicly as an example to others. See: 1 Timothy 5:20

A leader of a church must pass such tests and be blameless. If they fail such tests, then we get to a part folks don’t want to talk about, but it’s true. They MUST be silenced. Titus 1:5-11

So what groups like Ministry Watch are doing is a good thing and they could even go a step further, which they sometimes do, in calling for new leadership. As they’ve done with TBN. They could even get into the false doctrine deeper.

There are plenty of groups that allow any church to submit financial records to them for full scrutiny. It is interesting how some churches refuse.

I’m not pulling anymore punches on this. People should not only flee these pimps, but if they have the leverage, they should kick the pimps out and expose them to the world.

The lack of accountability today horrible and it’s sickening to see efforts to hold pimps to a low standard.

(MN: Of course you realize that if Christianity wasn’t viewed as a chance to hit the holy lotto, there would be no need for outside accountablity. How many of the home churches in China do you think have a problem with the pastor driving a new Benz? Heck, the goal there isn’t to get rich. It is to live a life pleasing to God, and incidentally, to stay alive in order to spread the gospel.

Maybe, just maybe, we need a bit of real persecution here in the states. It would certainly shake loose all the Christian wannabees. )

and one sometimes works at http://www.rickross.com/reference/general/general768.html

Anonymous, do you worship with Eddie Long? Have you seen such a report yourself? What do you think of Eddie Long’s claims for Tabernacle Offerings and claiming everyone should be paying tithes plus offerings too? Does this follow scripture applying to Christians? If so, please show it to me.

Do you feel he is following the Word of God regarding his methods for the collection of money?

And if you feel he is not, do you honestly feel that he will honestly spend what he has not honestly obtained?

I believe his church gives accountability semi-annually or annually to the congregation. I may be misunderstanding you. Please correct me if I am.

(MN: Take a look at this and tell me again about accountability. )

The words of the Pharisee named Gamaliel were related to an effort to murder apostles. And Gamaliel did not believe Jesus is Lord. The Lord that Gamaliel did not believe in used him to provide a means of escape for the apostles. I hope you don’t feel that talk about reviewing financial records is in some way equivalent to murder?

And quite frankly, although you cited scripture, I can’t say I hold the words of a Pharisee in high regard. Islam is spreading across the globe. Sure it will come to nothing, but I’m not going to allow the name of Muhammad to be preached in my house or a building used for the work of the Lord. Reading Acts 5 in full gives the proper context for the verses you cited. You should do the same with the other verses you cited. Read the whole chapter and use the scriptures in proper context.

Evil doers will lose, but that does not mean you keep giving them money in the name of the Lord. And it does not mean you keep funding people who refuse to account for their spending.

Given we are discussing abuse of finances and false teachers, don’t you think scripture such as II Peter 2 is more applicable? I’m sure in things outside of church you check to ensure the money is being applied properly. If you write a check, you do it expecting the bank you’ve entrusted with money to move the funds properly. If I give money to a church, I expect the people managing the funds to use those funds towards good works and advancing the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

I think many have been misled with a just give it to those who claim the Lord and ask for money type of mentality. In the parable of the talents, what do you think would have been said to someone who gave their money to somebody they could not hold to account? We see what happened to the man who buried his.

We’ve got to ensure the money is being used as prescribed by the Word of God.

Folks like Eddie Long love to teach that we should not scrutinize church finances. And Eddie Long is a false teacher.

The widespread inability to think critically by some here is appalling.

Answer the article……….or get off the pot. You’re wasting bandwidth.

99% of the folks spotlighted here are of the trinitarian brainwashing. How is it that so many of your preachers, leaders, mouthpieces can be pimps with this doctrine yet you all have found some truth in it?

There are people over these people who obviously condone this behavior and false doctrine. So where is the truth?

(MN: Daryl, last chance to address the issues discussed in the paper. It’s easy to natter on about deception, etc. Much more difficult to actually defend your position against an argument backed up by scripture. I put forth a case for the Trinity. You have done nothing but blow smoke since.

Now, to be somewhat crude about it, either defecate on remove you hiney from the porcelain container. )

And I feel they should be open with their books.

If there was no government oversight at all, people might be more likely to feel that they need to see the books instead of trusting godverment to do the job.

Sure, God sees all and if I’m a “brother” in their efforts they should have no problem letting me see the books.

(MN: Especially if you contribute to the efforts the church may make. This seems like an awfully good argument to limit the activities of the church organization to edifying the saints and maybe maintaining a facility in which to do that edification. But even that last one is iffy. )

Psa 75:6 For promotion [cometh] neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south.
Psa 75:7 But God [is] the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.

Act 5:38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
Act 5:39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

(MN: Huh? )

Long live ATLAH

All Pimps push the tithe, but not all that push the tithe are necessarily Pimps, know what I mean??

As to your point about the putting of one’sname on a Bible, that always bugged me as well. The “Jimmy Swaggart Study Bible”,among many others, is simply unsettling. Couple that with the idiotic autographing of Bibles and books to a Christian audience………revolting.

Hank Hanegraaf is really big into this now……..sending an autographed copy of this or that to new supporters.

WHy in the H-E-Double Toothpicks would I WANT your sig?? WHO ARE YOU?? Are you my HERO?!?! My IDOL?!?!? What good do YOU have to offer that ORIGINATED with YOU Hank…………or Jimmah……..or Kenneth?!?!

1Cr 4:7 For who maketh thee to differ [from another]? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst RECEIVE [it], why dost thou GLORY, as if thou hadst NOT received [it]?

It smacks of the degenerate “Christian Celebrity Culture” that I simply despise. I can’t think of ANYTHING more indicative of the sad and wordly state of modern Churchianity.

Pathetic.