That is the clarification or difference that I was trying to make. You said it better and more fully than I.

I just hate when we Christians feel burdened (especially by super-Christians) with effecting results in other people. We are not commanded to bring about results. Even the fruit that we are commanded to bring forth and do bring forth, is ordained by God. (John 15:16). We are only commanded to obey the call to be witnesses. Not just with our mouths but also with our manner of life.

So often, when it comes to witnessing, we’re searching for the right words or the right formula or the right method all with the belief that if WE don’t get it right (by some other man’s standard) then we have “caused” the person not to believe. This thought, though sincere in some, is utterly unbiblical. People don’t reject you or I, they reject Christ. They don’t reject your interpretation (if it’s the correct one), they reject Christ.

This P.C. guy has not only rejected Christ, he’s made up a new Christ (which is not Christ) that better suits his debauched lifestyle. If we’re not careful, we will do the same. So it is important that we admonish and are admonished to follow the Christ of scripture and His holy example. He wasn’t hard all the time, neither was He a softy all the time either.

“Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly.” (Proverbs 3:34, KJV)

“But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.” (James 4:6, KJV)

Rabbit holes, chickens, and over in the “other corner”…

What next? lol

…prostitute unless after I began to witness to her/him they let me know that they were “already a Christian”.

Add to that, they feel God made them to be a prostitute, is happy with them being a prostitute and feels everyone who wishes to be a prostitute should feel no shame in becoming one, because it is activity that they claim is not spoken against in scripture and any time you show them the word “prostitute” in scripture they claim it never meant that.

That is what the homosexual was pressing for here.

This was not a case of someone who did not claim the Lord’s name, or someone who has not heard/read the scriptures, but someone who claims the Lord’s name and makes a mockery of the Lord’s commands when presented and it’s material they already knew before coming here. They are not professing to be a babe in Christ, they are claiming church leadership when they are a heathen. This was fully a 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 case and they needed to be driven out! I recommend you who are not aware of this type read over at GCM Watch and equip for these kinds of attacks. There are some who come here fully equipped by Satan for all you’re ready to toss at them and they don’t come for the truth, but to spread lies and that is all. You’re not going to change them with some stunning statements or clever questions, they have scales on their eyes that only God can remove and have heard all you wish to say to them 100 times over.

You’ve got to address individuals individually, you can’t use the same approach with all, because they are not all the same.

In principle we all agree, but we differ on some aspects. And as I’ve mentioned, I never addressed the homosexual, but was speaking to Melvin.

Check out this: HHI - The Apology

Notice how it is mentioned that different approaches are required for different situations. All following the example of Christ.

rev_ak - You’re absolutely correct. Debate about predestination is for the mature, 1 Corinthians 2:6-10. This individual was one who is not even a babe in Christ, but a minister of Satan posing as an angel of light. We must be a united front against evil and we’ll discuss God’s wisdom (what little we know of it) later. I’m not saying unite with false doctrine Catholics and such in the Lord’s name (something I’ve had to learn), but we who realize faith in Christ is our only hope must know we are One in Christ and act accordingly.

(MN: We’re not going down this road. But if we were to travel it, at this point I would ask - why did one exercise the gift of faith and the other not exercise it? ” However, don’t bother to answer it. I doubt seriously if you or other Arminians will actually follow the thought out to it’s conclusion. Besides, I said we’re not going down this road. )

(MN: Very good Rev. This is why I’m glad you’re posting again. )

Please don’t harbor an inaccurate conclusion about the response to you here. Had a Mormon come here and agreed with us regarding the pimps, and provided a link to his Mormon website,he would have received the same attention that you have received.

A brief perusal of the archives will make that clear,for you are hardly the first (nor will you be the last) person that has come to address the subjects of this site only to have his own false doctrine addressed.

You may not believe it right now,but your lifestyle is being discussed because we care about you as well as those who may only read here rather than post. It’s imperative to bring historic and exegetically sound doctrine to bear on this issue,because while you may or may not reject it, there are those whom Christ will reach by the exchange that may never post here.

The Gospel is an equal opportunity offender. It has exposed the sin and error of every person here…….the question is whether that offense leads to repentance or a further hardening of the heart. The answer you ultimately choose will definitively determine to whom your heart belongs.

(MN: There was more, but it was along the same increasingly whiney lines PC’s last several comments have taken. I think I’ve had about enough of PC. He’s done posting for this particular thread AND, in a never before taken action, he’s done on defending homosexuality as a viable lifestyle for the Christian. I don’t beleive there is anything else he can add to the conversation. And if he sends in one of his pals, they’ll get even fewer comments. )

I agree with you and I’m definitely not advocating someone saying “hey prostitute” to an actual prostitute. The reason I agree with IC’s approach is because P.C. already thinks he’s saved. I don’t think that I would approach him the same way that I would approach a prostitute unless after I began to witness to her/him they let me know that they were “already a Christian”. That would be as ridiculous as P.C.’s claim and would deserve the same disdain. That is the claim would deserve disdain, not the prostitute. So don’t think that I was downing your approach in anyway. I just know that we have different approaches depending on the situation, even according to the scriptures that you and IC mentioned.

“…Nonetheless, do you not believe that God works in many ways, and he works though people of his choosing, not ours?”

Pharoah was used by God and he was destroyed. Jezebel was used by God and she was destroyed. Saul was used by God and destroyed. Judas Iscariot was used by God and he was destroyed. Pilate was used by God and destroyed. And these are just a few of the examples in the Bible. God can, will and does use everyone of this you are correct. However, just because he uses them doesn’t mean He approves of them. I can use toilet paper, but after I have used it, it goes down the drain. I don’t keep it because I favor it or because its Charmin or Angel Soft. In Jeremiah the LORD says He builds up and tears down, He plants and uproots. NO power comes to anyone unless God gives it to them. You can try to hide under the truth God, but in the end it will crush you and anyone else He goes against it. You can say I am being judgemental and I don’t mind, but in the same turn you do the same thing because you judge in favor of yourself and your sins rather than in the truth of Christ.

I think that it is very difficult to decide if and when someone is not reachable and/or not interested. It is also difficult to determine the proper level of respect that one should use when addressing an obstinate individual. Often times we think in terms of reaching an individual for Christ but, though the bible clearly commands the way in which we should address certain groups of people, we should never shoulder the responsibility of drawing or driving away anyone because of the way we talk. That is all God’s work. So I think, in the case of P.C., that IC’s approach is proper. But B&R’s approach should be used with weaker brethren who are exemplifying Christ but are struggling with certain things. Hopefully, we can all be as biblically motivated as possible, in all things!

(MN: Monergism. Do as we are commanded [present Christ], and let God work the results. Trying to convince the fellow is pointless. Making sure he has the truth is about all we can do. Yes, he is justifying his choices by twisting Scripture to the breaking point [if in fact they could be broken]. Yes, he is shifting the discussion so as to avoid continuing the discussion in its original direction. But no, we can’t nag and rail on him trying to convince him to leave the lifestyle and enter into etermal life. That will be for God to do. At this point, all we can do is wait and see what God would have happen…eventually. Yes, pray. Yes, be ready to present a defense of the hope that lies within us. Badger and nag? No reason to do that. Speak him into a fiery hell? Then we sound like the very crazies we have been covering. )

I am not attempting to defend any behavior, as I am not a judge or jury. (MN: Yes, you are. And you’re doing it very badly. I suspect that now that you see we are not buying your DEFENSE, you are backing off and insisting that we back off as well. )

I am not on the wittness stand, nor are you or anyone else the judge or jury.

I know you have not claimed that. Nonetheless, do you not believe that God works in many ways, and he works though people of his choosing, not ours?

God never fails to amaze me, for in his love I find grace and hope. Sexuality is what it is. God does not look up your skirt to see if you are male or female does he? (MN: Why yes, He does. He created you as male to begin with [remember Genesis - male and female He created them? )

God knows the kind of person I am (MN: Yes, a person who insists on justifying his sinful behavior.) , he created me and yes in his image. (MN: Certainly. But as with the rest of us, you are a severly marred image. )

LOL!!

only a sovereign work of grace on God’s part can make the person open-up and say “Ahh”

AHH!!! .