Well, the First Baptist Church of Glanarden New Year’s Revival is fast approaching. The festivities start January 3 and ooze on until January 5th. The guest speaker, in case you don’t know by now, is none other than T. Dexter Jakes, the next Billy Graham - except that he not Billy Graham…and he’s Oneness…and he doesn’t preach the Gospel or the Bible that much…or…well, you get the idea.
This posting is both a reminder and a warning. I’ve reminded you that T. Dexter will be performing during the First Baptist Church of Glenarden New Year’s Revival. Now I want to warn the leaders of First Baptist Church of Glenarden.
I’ll say again that T. Dexter is Oneness - he denies the triune nature of God. You elders, deacons and preachers are doing nothing to warn the people away from him. Instead you are silent, remaining in your leadership positions, sitting on the podium so that you appear on the tapes when John preaches. All the while, the men and women of First Baptist Church of Glenarden are being led further and further into an abominable set of lies. Their blood will be on your heads since you have chosen comfortable positions over warning the people.
Shirley Onque used to teach a class entitled “Trinity” in the Bible Institute. Now, as the Rev. Shirley Onque, Director of Technology & Director of Evangelism Outreach she sits silently by as a heretic is allowed to enter the church and address the saints. But don’t let me call her out all by herself. Here is a list from the First Baptist Church of Glenarden’s site listing the Elders, Reverends, Ministers, Deacons, and Deaconesses who are sitting by silently as the members of First Baptist Church of Glenarden are pulled down the evangelical rat hole.
You people who attend First Baptist Church of Glenarden - I know you can’t get in to see the pastor. Make these leader/oaves (I think that’s the plural for oaf)do their job. Ask them why they haven’t complained to John about the mentoring thing or about having T. Dexter come in and speak to the congregation. Make them look you in the face when they mislead you.
All of you leaders who refuse to sound the warning trumpet but instead stand in your positions of authority, remember - the blood of the lost will be on your heads (Ezekiel 3:17 - 19). With authority comes responsibility. You have been sorely negligent.
Here’s a link to a pretty good article on T. Dexter. A reader posted it last week but I want to bring it to your attention again, keeping the fact that John Kenneth Jenkins, the fellow who is moving his church into a FIFTY MILLION DOLLAR structure, has invited this bozo to preach during the New Year’s revival. By the way, what, exactly are they reviving? Did someone pass out? Did someone die? Or maybe the spirit just isn’t high enough and they need to ratchet the spirit up a notch or two. Maybe one or two of you manly men can ask him what it’s all about.
As a part of my Warn-the-Sheeple-’Cause-Maybe-They-Don’t-Know-Any-Better campaign, I have also linked to an MP3 file here, so you can listen to T. Dexter do one of the best verbal two-steps I have heard in a long time.
The conversation was recorded by John Coleman a few years ago. It’s the tape referenced by Christian Rsearch Journal and the Christianity Today article. The audio was made before he pretty much stopped discussing the question at all. And even here he doesn’t really say anything to indicate he accepts the orthodox view of the Trinity.
Remember, if you’re a convicted thief, you gotta be willing to empty your pockets out if something comes up missing. Otherwise people can only reasonably suspect you are hiding something. T. Dexter has long been associated with Oneness Pentecostals. He has yet to unambiguously recant any oneness views. A clear doctrine on the Trinity is not that hard to state. Even I can come up with one.
Melvin after all o fthis factual information, people just do not seem to get it. They are going to criticize you for this information, but just hang on in there brother and keep on keeping on.Bring us the truth and we will continue to support you.
I grew up in a oneness denomination for a good portion of my life and what I’ve observed is the on going debate between trinitarian beleivers and oneness beleivers is a contridiction of terminology.Both use some of the same scriptures when debating this subject,both sides acknowledge the Father,Son and Holy Ghost.The way to God is through the Door which is Jesus Christ,both parties beleive this also. The blood of Jesus is the only thing that can COVER sin and seperates christianity from any other religion and yes both parties beleive this also.The main conflict between the “groups” is the issue of water baptism(Jesus name or Father,Son and Holy Ghost)Matt.28:19 states “baptizing them in the name of the Father,and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost:” notice he said “in the name not names and Peter understood the name is Jesus (Acts 2:38).Finally I’d like to leave the readers with some references I Tim. 3:16, col.2:9, Jn.1 .I think if we used and understood the term “Godhead”we would’nt have as much conflict on this subject,considering the specific terms “oneness” or especially trinity are not even in the bible.
(MN: Actually we would still have the problems. Oneness folks, by their definition of terms, do not view the Son as eternal. The Son came to be with the incarnation. Guess what? That’s another Jesus. The Oneness position denies the ability of the three to commune. Their doctrine would have the Bible in error.
Don’t mistake referencing the same verses as the same as correctly interpreting the same verses. Again, how could the Word (Jesus) be WITH the Father if there is only one of them?
Incidentally, the Oneness folks generally don’t call themselves Oneness. It’s a name the orthodox Christians came up with to refer to them quickly and conveniently.
Besides, if there only one person, there is no Godhead as far as the Oneness crowd is concerned. )
Melvin,
See your view of the trinity is wrong. That is why people have asked you if you believe in One God, three gods, or One God with three heads.
By your view, you are saying there are three separate gods. This is not true. Jesus Christ is Himself God (spiritually not physically), The Holy Ghost is God (the active force of God) and God the Father is God (The nature of God). That’s three manifestations or what Trinitarians call persons. Maybe we should shed both titles (Trinitarian/ Trinity, and Oneness respectively).
(MN: Go back and read the posting on the Trinity. Click here to get to it. And please hurry because right now you’re making yourself sound like a half-wit.)
Add to this his replies to my posting on the “gods” issue, and his man-love of the Sperminator, and we’re down to a Quarter-Wit.
Still waiting for a response, BTW…………
(MN: He responded by e-mial. But I don’t have his permission to post it publicly yet. )
Funny he didn’t respond directly to the points I made publicly………..I still invite him to do so.
The HOLY SPIRIT is not a “force”. He is a person. In Acts where Pater is addressing Saphirra who with ther husband Annanias had lied about the sale of their land, Peter asked her; “why have you lied to the Holy Ghost?” You cannot lie to a force but only to a person. This is just one of the many proofs of the personhood of the Holy Spirit.
The difference between “oneness” and “holy trinity” believers is more than Dan may realize. The difference goes beyond baptizing in the name of Jesus. “Oneness” also believe you’re not filled with the Holy Spirit unless you speak in tongues.
“Oneness” believers have a different concept of what it means to be “one”. They believe if Jesus and God are “one”, that means Jesus Christ is the Father and the Holy Spirit. Trinitarians view the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three distinct entities or persons.
Furthermore, the “oneness” believers think God himself plays all three roles. There’s one God with three manifestations. In other words, God himself plays the role of the Father; He transistions to play the role of the Son; and He plays the role of the Holy Spirit.
That’s how oneness believers view the three manifestations of God. Again, that’s not the same view as the trinitarian theology. “Oneness” believers deny the 3 distinct persons within the godhead.
The “oneness” groupies believe Jesus is the fullness of God. Again, they view Jesus Christ as being the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. That’s error!!! The “oneness” view doesn’t give full reverence to Jehovah God the Creator.
There’s also a difference between how the “oneness” believers and trinitarians interpret the word “one”. The Bible reveals Jesus and God as being “one”. Yet the “oneness” believers interpret that as meaning Jesus and God are one in the same being.
Trinitarians believe that Jesus and God are “one” in terms of being in unity. They’re “one” as in being “on one accord”. Yet they are different beings with distinct roles and purpose.
Most Christians including ministers don’t recognize the distinct differences between the “oneness” and trinitarian believers. Thus, they don’t think it’s a big deal to be associated with a “oneness” ministry or listen to a “oneness” preacher.
Melvin, perhaps it may be helpful to explain HOW a listening audience can be negatively influenced by a “oneness” preacher.
Good points!
Neither the words “Trinity” nor “Oneness” are in the Bible. These are two theological interpretations of scripture that lead us to the same conclusion. Both Oneness and Trinitarians believe God is One but in three manifestations (trinitarians say persons/ personalities). That is an explaination not scripture. So when T. D. Jakes says this is not in scripture he is right: IT IS NOT IN SCRIPTURE.
(MN: >No one said he wasn’t right. I’m saying it has nothing to do with the issue at hand - God in three persons in perfect unison. Also you have to consider that both interpretations cannot be correct. Either one is right and the other wrong, or they are both wrong. )
Indeed, there’s a difference between the explanations…….Regardless of the terms used, both explanations can’t be right. If they’re correctly understood, the “oneness” and trinitarian theological explanations are NOT exactly the same.
Melvin, the “oneness” theological interpretation of God and the godhead is WRONG. It fails to recognize the 3 distinct roles or persons within the godhead. That lack of recognization goes behind the use of the term “trinity”. (see my previous post for details)
In connection with my previous posts:
Concerning 1 John 2:27, where does it discuss the fact that God does not require or even need us to do all that we can to be as prepared as possible for His calling, like going to seminary or continually studying under those skilled in rightly dividing the Word as a part of His working His calling in our lives through us? If it’s relying on a man alone apart from the Spirit of God/Scripture to teach truth, that’s one thing….and that what the verse seems to be dealing with since all the verses before this one all seemed to deal with the last days and how people were falling away because of individuals who were infiltrating Christian fellowship with false doctrines (I John 2:18-19)…which would’ve placed some believers in danger of being deceived…and how John, seeing that they knew the truth/correct teaching (I John 2:21-23) was encouraging them to hold to the basic truths of God’s Word that they heard at the beginning of their walks (I John 2:24).
He didn’t need to teach them so they wouldn’t not fall away since they’d been already properly trained in correct doctrine enough to know the difference between lies and truth (I John 2:20-23) (something that Word-based seminaries seem to be necessary for since we all need to be trained as much as possible in knowing right doctrine and they can/do greatly aid people since many people sincerely desire to fulfill God’s call/rely on His Spirit but don’t know anything about the Word to begin with).
Also, in saying that he (or man) didn’t have to teach them, he wasn’t asserting that they never had any need to continue becoming educated at all costs in the Word/ depending on or sitting under the tutelage of those skilled in expounding God’s Word. For prior to what he stated, they’d been already properly/intensely trained (something that requires much discipline, time/good preparation) in correct doctrine enough to discern truth from error (I John 2:20-23)…they had a solid basis of truth already, but can the same be said of those many of those who automatically jump into ministry but never receive any kind of training/proper preparation. To me, at least, this is why seminary-based training or any kind of training (i.e. Bible college, intensive internship at a biblically sound church, etc) in theology for that matter seems that it should be necessary (preferable at least) in preparing for one’s calling since we all need to be trained as much as possible in knowing right doctrine alongside trusting/relying on the power of God to fulfill His call in us. They can/do greatly aid people seeing that many people sincerely desire to fulfill God’s call/rely on His Spirit but don’t know anything about the Word to begin with.
Concerning the verse, it seems he was speaking in reference to how there was no need to enable them to be able to recognize and resist false doctrines/stay in the faith (I John 2:26-27) since, along with first being properly trained in the Scriptures, they had the power of the Holy Spirit (i.e. the anointing received from Christ) in them to keep them from going astray…the same Spirit whom Jesus had promised to send in order to guide/teach His followers and remind them of all He taught (John 14:26 and John 16:13), and seeing that that it wasn’t a fake power helping but something real/effective one they’d seen in their lives, he was encouraging them to continue staying in Him (I John 2:27).
Again, it seems that the verse was referring to a testimony of the trustworthiness of God’s Spirit in them…not necessarily as a testimony excluding the need of seeking to be properly educated at all costs and learning from others mature in Him alongside the Lord as He works His power in our lives.
In light of that, would you please clarify why you chose the verses you did? If interested, what are your thoughts?
(Note: Mr.Melvin, is this still too long or have I improved at tightening up? I am trying…)
To respond to this, I can only quote a lyric from the musical “The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas” when the Mayor sings:
“Oooh! I love to dance a little side-step, now they see me, now they don’t, it’s come and gone.”
Mr. Williams,
Curious, would you mind sharing what you were meaning by your comment? Was it addressed to the post placed above or elsewhere? I was just puzzeled as to what the meaning of your response was…
“were falling away because of individuals who were infiltrating Christian fellowship with false doctrines”. GZ, that’s the most interesting out of all you said.
Are you familiar with Melvin’s doctrinal background. If not, be advised that he’s a Calvinist who believes in “eternal security”. They don’t believe saints will fall away into apostasy. Although that’s what the bible actually teaches:
“Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,” 2 Thessalonians 2:3
They don’t believe saints will fall away from Christ into “unbelief”. Although that’s what the bible actually teaches:
“Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;” Hebrews 3:12
“But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.” Luke 8:13 (spoken by Jesus Christ)
They don’t believe saints can be cut off from Christ. Although that’s what the bible actually teaches in John 15:1-6:
1) “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2) Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He TAKES AWAY; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3) You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4) Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5) I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6) If anyone does NOT abide in Me, he is CAST OUT as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the FIRE, and they are burned.”
I would summarized the reading of John 15:1-6 as follows:
Once were in Christ, there’s conditions to be met in order to remain in Him. What’s that? We must “bear fruit”. (verse 2) If we don’t bear fruit, we can’t abide in Christ. (verse 5) Believers who don’t abide in Christ (by bearing fruit) are “cast out”. (verse 6) The word “fire” represents hell. In essence, they’ll spend eternity in hell not heaven.
In Romans 11:21-22, apostle Paul was speaking to born again believers when he warned them about the possibility of being cut off:
21) “For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22) Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, IF you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be CUT OFF.”
The condition to be met is that they must “continue” in His goodness. That means there’s the possibility that they can shift or fall into unbelief like the Israelites. (The full context starts with verse 11.)
And we’re off! The rabbit is running down the track, slinging misapplied scripture, making God look like a weakling and ignoring that portion of scripture he doesn’t like. Does anyone care to address Truth #2’s issues?
APparently, salvation is by grace to start out. But keeping it is a matter of works. Apparently we work so we will stay saved rather than working because we are saved.
Is anybody else asking the obvious questions: How do you know if you have worked enough? And where is the assurance in this approach?
To Truth # 2:
After reading your blog, I thought I’d challenge what you wrote concerning believers “falling away”. First, there is no Scripture that teach that “true” believers will fall away!
Every Scripture that points to that issue, is speaking to those who “profess” faith in Christ, but who do not actually “possess” Christ.
The Scriptures are replete with clear evidence that all true believers in Christ are “SEALED” by the Holy Spirit! (Ephesians 1:13; 4:30)
In Scripture, a Seal means three things:
1. Ownership
2. Security
3. A Finished Transaction
The Lord Jesus said Himself: “And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall NEVER perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of MY Hand.
MY Father, which gave them to ME, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of MY Father’s Hand.” (John 10:28-29)
The passages you have cited are in reference to people who have perhaps “tasted” the grace of God, but who have never recieved Christ authentically. There are a few Scriptures in Hebrews that people often cite to support their view of believers being saved and then lost again; however, those Scriptures are not in reference to “True” Believers!
BT, I’ll be happy to serve as your huntin’ dog for this rabbit. Afterall, you do realize that all you’re going to get from this guy is some drive-by commenting. He/she is going to throw out the standard stuff that demands that God is a limp-wristed chump who can’t keep His own and man’s will is so strong that it overcomes God’s.
I’ll give him and his people three comments before they start repeating themselves and wander on into accusations of satanic origins for it. To help him along let me throw this out there: OSAS! OSAS! OSAS!!!
There. That should get him sufficiently riled. Let’s see what happens.
osas?!? what meaneth this?
(MN: Once Saved Always Saved - Eternal Security, Perseverance of the Saints, etc. Usually, when a hard-shell Arminian sees this acronym they burst into foaming at the mouth and accuasations of satanic influence. It’s kind of funny to watch most of the time. And it always goes exactly the same way. )
wait melville, the revelation just came to me.. osas= once saved always saved,
and you doubted my gift
(MN: My apologies.)
Did anyone else see that Luke 8:13 said “said those who HAVE NO ROOT” if you have no root, wouldnt that mean you were never saved, but only had a said faith?? wow, it’s funny how people use scripture to support their stance only to miss the fact that it doesnt support their stance at all. re-read, those passages sir.
2 Thes made no mention of saints fallin away.
Truth If you are correct how do you reconcile these passages of scripture?
Romans 8:29-30 outlines the “Golden Chain” of salvation by pointing out that those who were foreknown by God were predestined, called, justified, and glorified–there is no loss along the way.
Philippians 1:6 tells us that the work God began in us, He will also finish.
Ephesians 1:13-14 teaches that God has sealed us with the Holy Spirit as a guarantee of our inheritance until we possess it.
“how will you break a God seal”?
John 10:29 affirms that no one is able to take God’s sheep out of His hand. vs. 28 confirms that we will “NEVER PERISH” how you gone be saved, and perish. If most just read, they can see the truth.
John 3:15 states that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will “have eternal life.” If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life, but lose it tomorrow, then it was never “eternal” at all. Hence if you lose your salvation, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error. Duh!!!!
“For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 8:38-39). Remember the same God who saved you is the same God who will keep you.
Our eternal security is based on God’s love for those whom He has redeemed. Our eternal security is purchased by Christ, promised by the Father, and sealed by the Holy Spirit.
binks
I am not sure as to how much I can fit into this space so may use more than one ‘reply’.
Philippians 1:6 tells us that the work God began in us, He will also finish.
No it does not.. It tells us that PAUL WAS CONFIDENT that he who began a good work in the Philippians would perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ: The same word (pi’-tho) is used in Hebrews 6.
For as touching those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come, and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. For the land which hath drunk the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them for whose sake it is also tilled, receiveth blessing from God:
but if it beareth thorns and thistles, it is rejected and nigh unto a curse; whose end is to be burned. But, beloved, we are persuaded (pi’-tho) better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak: for God is not unrighteous to forget your work and the love which ye showed toward his name, in that ye ministered unto the saints, and still do minister. And we desire that each one of you may show the same diligence unto the fulness of hope even to the end: that ye be not sluggish, but imitators of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises. (Heb 6:4-12)
The author states what would be the inevitable consequence if Christians should apostatize, should walk away. Yet he says in this Epistle that he has a firm conviction that it would not occur. However a statement like this one to the Hebrews and the one to the Philippians is based on knowledge of the people involved…. Not Divine decree. How many times do we say I am sure that so and so will or will not do such and such. Much the same as we can be certain that if a man should take arsenic it would kill him; and yet we may have the fullest conviction that he will not do it. However we could very well be wrong..
Did anyone else see that Luke 8:13 said “said those who HAVE NO ROOT” if you have no root, wouldnt that mean you were never saved, but only had a said faith?? wow, it’s funny how people use scripture to support their stance only to miss the fact that it doesnt support their stance at all. re-read, those passages sir.
And of course this totally ignores the preceding verse which says that the devil takes away the word from their heart.. Which means that they already had the word there and it was taken away at the cost of salvation.. (And those by the way side are they that have heard; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved. Luke 8:12 )
John 3:15 states that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will “have eternal life.” If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life, but lose it tomorrow, then it was never “eternal” at all. Hence if you lose your salvation, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error. Duh!!!!
Of all the defenses I have heard for the Eternal Security nonsense this one has to take the cake for sheer stupidity… If you eat your broccoli you will get the chocolate pudding. Not eating your broccoli does not mean the pudding does not exist.. it simply means that YOU do not get it.. John 10:28 says the same thing. However this is an also an interesting aside on the doctrine of hell as eternal torment.. Eternal life is eternal life whether it be in Heaven or Hell. Food for thought
“For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 8:38-39). Remember the same God who saved you is the same God who will keep you.
The only person who can defeat us is ourselves. (he who stands firm to the end will be saved” (Matthew 10:22). If we are determined to believe and be faithful, is there any force in heaven or on earth that can SNATCH us from our position in Christ and cause us to be damned? Praise God, the answer is NO!
John 10:29 affirms that no one is able to take God’s sheep out of His hand. vs. 28 confirms that we will “NEVER PERISH” how you gone be saved, and perish. If most just read, they can see the truth.
John 10:28,29 says exactly the same thing…no force in heaven or earth can snatch us from our position in Christ. It also reiterates the promise of John 3:15. (Broccoli again anyone?). However once more the preceding verse is ignored along with the HUGE number of verses that tell us salvation is conditional (Below). John 10:27 says.. “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me”. Jesus is talking about HIS sheep.. If you walk away you are no longer His.
To Be Continued
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Arminian rewrite of “Blessed Assurance”
by GaryV
Blessed insurance, where do I sign?? Lest Jesus drop me and leave me behind
Heir of uncertainty, rental of God,
His Spirit’s power a fleeting facade.
Chorus:
This is my worry, God may be wrong, too weak a Saviour to hold me for long;
This is my worry, God may be wrong, too weak a Saviour to keep me for long.
Defect salvation, imperfect His might!
Visions of brimstone if I don’t do right;
Angels descending bring from above
Anguish and worry, lest I lose His love.
Chorus:
This is my worry, God may be wrong, too weak a Saviour to hold me for long;
This is my worry, God may be wrong, too weak a Saviour to keep me for long.
Imperfect submission - might sink me at last,
Unless I do better than I have in past;
Watching and waiting, Lord what if I fall??,
Since You cannot save me once and for all.
Chorus:
This is my worry, God may be wrong, too weak a Saviour to hold me for long;
This is my worry, God may be wrong, too weak a Saviour to keep me for long.
gary, you songwriter you-
did you really pen these lyrics by your lonesome?
i like.
It’s a gift………….my only one, in fact(wink)
I love it!
GaryV: If you or Mevil know of an equally gifted keyboardist living in or near my area, please advise. He or she MUST read music with proficiency; love for the Word of God would be a plus, as the compositions (8 total) are the Word verbatim. (Have asked El Elohe Beryle for skilled orchestra accompaniment at the proper time.) The Holy Spirit is the composer/conductor; I was just the scribe—penning the melodies as I heard them. This can wait ’til Mel safely returns home from his recon mission. Will e-mail more later. Love to you and yours, B
Melvil,
How was your overall experience last night? Any disputings?
It’s pretty funny, I had an opportunity to see some things first hand. Where a pastor came up for an offering, in which I had time to observe…..he proceeded to declare the people to praise God….for like 10-20 minutes.
Afterward, then declares that anyone whom brings a $100 offering will receive an amazing blessing…..I refrained from being overly critical….but yet the greed for the green after “praising God” was overly apparent.
GaryV BTW….don’t know if you heard, a starter at CB for Denver was shot and killed this morning (Darrent Williams-#27) in a driveby shooting.
Sad instance. I was pretty shocked myself.
(MN: The revival starts Wednesday night [3 January]. Everything is all set and ready to go. I even have a 3X5 to hand out if there are people who inquire as to why I am putting my mouth on the mand of gawd. )
Huh….Mav. You didn’t know? Gary was a songwriter for Kirk Franklin and R. Kelly…..oh yeah and Kelly (As we lay singing about adultery) Price.
Mel I have a question, either you or Gary V can help me that would be grrrrrrrrreat.
I am in a discussion with an anti trinity guy. Here is something he said to me about christ. I believe this to look like adoptionism, I may be wrong, can you check this, and see what you think, and honestly help me with a response, you or Gary V would be great. Thanks
Here is what he said: No. Yahushua is not YHWH in the flesh. Yahushua is the Messiah (Annointed One), The Only Begotten Son of YHWH who was sent by YHWH to pay for our sins. He was with YHWH in the beginning before He was sent in the flesh.
John 17:3-5
3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Yahushua clearly distinguishes Himself from His Father in verse three by using the word
“and”.
4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
Yahushua existed with YHWH before the world was so there is no way He can be defined as YHWH in the flesh.
NKJV
Acts 17:29
29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the
Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. (In the regular KJV “Divine Nature” is translated as “Godhead”)
Romans 1
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Colossians 2
9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
In Acts 17 the Greek word used is Theios which is Strong’s #2304
In Romans the Greek word is Theiotes which is Strong’s #2305
In Colossians the Greek word is Theotes which is Strong’s #2320
The Greek words used in Romans and Colossians only occur one time each in scripture, but the Greek word that occurs in the Book of Acts occurs two other times in scripture but is translated into English as the word “divine”.
2 Peter 1
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit cannot be substituted for the word translated as “divine” in these verses, which is the same Greek word translated as “Godhead” in Acts 17:29. The Trinitarian biased KJV translators knew this and that’s why they translated it as “divine” in these verses instead of “Godhead”.
Thanks for you help in this matter, I’m not as versed in this as I eventually will be..
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