Tell me who you feel more pity for: the boy who thinks he’s a preacher, learning to dance and shout like the best of the pimps, or the little girl being raised in a church that apparently doesn’t have a clue?
Click here to hear/see the child in action.
Click here to read the story from the paper. Make sure you look for all the Christian catch words like “anointed”, “God’s Move”, and the such.
Is it just me, or does he look like a young T. Dexter Jakes?
I think this is the same kid we saw in an earlier video. But I’m not sure. He seems to be preaching in a pretty high-end church in this video.
The fact is this kid, who know little or nothing about life, is being promoted as a person who can expound on the Word of God. Do any of you really believe this is so? I suspect his acceptance as a preacher is one of the reasons the church is so easily snookered by the pimps. I mean think about it - wasn’t Marjoe 6 or seven when he started? And he actually had a little content in his presentation.
One last thing: Do you think there is any significance to the fact that all of the people interviewed in the news article (including the pastors of both churches) were women? (Sorry ladies, but I really think this is a crucial point here.)
This isn’t the first child being pressured to fulfill their parents dream and it won’t be the last. I know that the young mans grandmother is a pastor. However, I feel that it is wrong for (grand)parents to live vicariously through their (grand)children. This kid is going to be exposed to things that most adults don’t even understand. I have seen some things that made my hairs stand up. This kid is either going to play along because he has been trained/ordered to do so. He may pull a Marjoe when he matures.
God bless him…
(MN: I’d say “God keep him.” He’ll need it. )
Let’s see how many Knee Jerk Responses we can come up w/ for this posting:
1. Can’t you see this kid has been called out by God, just like Paul on the road to Damascus?
2. I mean if the Lord can us a Donkey to share His word, surely He can use this lil’ boy.
3.Don’t put God in a box, GOD can do anything He wants to do and can use anyone he pleases… HE IS GOD.
Ok, that is three…
I truely feel sorry for the people who attend that church, I mean come on… Any more KJR’s out there?
PL: I concur. The devil is STILL a liar! In viewing a part of the big picture, in these last days the devil is seeking whom he may devour–”may” denotes he has permission or has an opportune moment granted by the “vessels” themselves. Note the generations’ spiritual REgression and darkness from the grand-mother, through the son (Terry’s father), to the little preacher-man. “This kind cometh out by fasting and prayer.”
Who is Marjoe?
Marjoe was some conman who started out preaching as a kid, way back (possibley the 70’s or something). When he was about his mid 20’s he did a documentary exposing his trickery and fleecing of the flock. He didn’t even believe in God. Do a search on youtube.com for Marjoe. Theres a video except from his documentary on there. God bless.
Melvin, you took the words out of my mouth before I read the last line of your comments before I posted. While watching the slideshow I asked myself, Where are the men at this church? He said he spoke with his GRANDMOTHER? His grandmother confirmed him?
I am going to bed on that one. FOlk, I will say this again, If you can find it, rent or buy Marjoe, the full documentary.
once again, who on earth is marjoe?
(MN: click here to read Wikipedia. Click on the image below to see a clip.)
I Hope these answer your questions. )
ok, ok, noooow, i know who marjoe, is. thanx fo the link. very sad. sigh.
Thanks, Marjoe answered a question for us, Do these people love God? In some cases, NO
When i went to school in NC i had the chance to see this young guy preach…i wasnt comfortable with it and while everybody was jumpin up and hooping over him…I definitely didn’t feel like it was ordained by God at all. I didnt voice my opinion to anyone but you know how you just have that feeling that youre not supposed to support something but you dont know why? it was that. And then he had a moment where people came up and when he touched them…they fell out. The pastor of the church was up there kinda prayin for people and the little boy had all these adults following him as he walked back and forth “sounding” like a preacha and layin hands on people, he turns around to catch the Pastor on the head and you can just tell that the pastor kinda falls down a little just for political/”support the cause” type reasons. I knew this would come up one day cause people were acting so silly over him. Then after church he was just a regular kid running around with the other children. And i was looking at him and he looked at me and i could tell that he was stuck between if he should act like this mature little wise kid or just be a CHILD! He was torn between which mask to wear..but its not even his fault. This was probably in 2005 when this happened. We gotta pray for him because poison is already being sown. And people use tha scripture about a little child leading them, and train up a child, yadda yadda yadda but i think we need to put seriously STOP tryna twist scriptures 2 fit tha foolishness. All that talk about “Well can’t God use a child…” YES God can do whatever He feels…but in a case where it is blatantly obvious that some manmade type stuff is going on vs. supernatural God ordained…what ‘chu gonna do? Just stand there and act like the rest of the FANS? Stop being a FAN and be follower of Jesus Christ. REPRESENT your Saviour and stop faking and playin with your life…MAN UP!!
I agree with your comment…totally!
Isn’t this story and caption old? I think you have used this before. Do you need new material?
(MN: Not really. This article adds much more information to the previous article. You’d know that if you weren’t simply trying to passively defend the pimps. )
First of all, I wasn’t trying to defend anybody. I was just stating that this article and material is old.
(MN: Not really. We now know where the kid works, the name of his grandmomma, and a good deal more about the kid. Remember - new information is not the same as old information. )
melvin to me, the little boy was ordain by a woman pastor and that is not biblical and then Why would God pass up his father and go to the child, does the father suppose to be the head of the household. that is why a lot of these minsters are they way they are because they are called by their grandmother, mother and other people to be a minster and they are not call by God, so they seek praise from men.
Here! here! to the previous comments. I am so angry that “church people” have even sought to pollute little children with this heresy! We must pray that God will raise up more true Christians than what we have been shown on TV, etc. Why don’t people believe that God is REAL!!! let’s please pray for all of our children, they really need true guidance!
I don’t know. It seems dangerous. It would be a good thing, if someone with sound doctrine could come alongside him (not saying the grandma doesn’t have sound doctrine). Everybody has a natural gift but we still need those wiser than us to direct our gifts to useability.
Sidenote: Child preachers always seem like sideshow Bobs to me, they are parroting what they have heard, but they need to grow as people.
This young preacher was also featured on TBN recently. When I saw him on TBN I couldn’t even finish watching the show. It’s apparent this young boy wants the so called glitz and fame of being a big time preacher. You can tell deep deep down inside he just wants to be a little boy. It seems like his g-mother is pushing him into being a preacher. She could be motivated by recognition, money, and fame. It’s sad to say the least.
(MN: You wouldn’t happen to know the date of his appearance on TBN would you?)
Sorry, Melvin I don’t know the specific date that he aired. I know it was probably about a month ago. He and his brother were featured. I’m sure TBN received alot of letters and e-mails on that one!!!!
tuesday Oct 3rd
sorry ..guess i could have included the link….the entire show is dedicated to children in the ministry..they are starting them young..very sad..very sad indeed.
http://www.tbn.org/index.php/2/37.html
can add i pitiful to your assessment?
Isa 3:1 For, behold, the Lord, the LORD of hosts, doth take away from Jerusalem and from Judah the stay and the staff, the whole stay of bread, and the whole stay of water,
Isa 3:2 The mighty man, and the man of war, the judge, and the prophet, and the prudent, and the ancient,
Isa 3:3 The captain of fifty, and the honourable man, and the counsellor, and the cunning artificer, and the eloquent orator.
Isa 3:4 And I will give children [to be] their princes, and babes shall rule over them.
look at verse 4 of that chapter. This is the punishment God gave the children of Israel. The church is in serious crisis when a boy is bringing forth the Word of God. Example: Samuel and Eli in 1 Samuel 3. God spoke to a boy because the high Priest was not listening to the voice of the Lord. this is the sad state our church is in to call a boy “pastor”. when the word of God clearly states that position is not for a novice.
Wow. Interesting. Never observed that regarding Eli.
Always observed his demise, of his heaviness resulting from the lack of ruling his own sons Hophini and Phineas, which resulted in the Ark being captured.
Good and fruitful revelation.
Munchausen syndrome by proxy (the spiritual version).
“On the ride home from the skating rink, he sat in the passenger seat, his feet dangling off the floor. The radio was set to 99-JAMZ, a hip-hop station. Terry doesn’t like hip-hop.
“Cuss word music,” he said, turning the stereo knob until he heard gospel artist Kirk Franklin singing.”
Why was the radio already pre-set to a hip-hop ‘cuss word music’ radio station?
Let me get this straight, he was preaching at age 4, his calling came from the womb, he looks like a mini-me of any number of black preachers (on a side note, WHY do nearly all black preachers sound the same? Do they naturally learn the “Huh’s” in between the words? Is there a special, secret class to take in seminary where you learn which ’sound’ is the best for you? Just curious) …
“His closet contains an exotic array of fancy Stacy Adams suits. Electric blue. Red. Cream with gold stripes. Some still have the sewn tags on the sleeve.”
Nope, it’s nlot about the money (accruing interest in the bank), it’s about designer pimpwear.
“For inspiration, he inserted a DVD of his last sermon, which he entitled Pastor Feel Good. ”
I like that, I reaally do. Pastor Feel Good. Sermon title? Heck it’s their entire reason for existing. To feel good.
“In 1997, Todd Durham Sr. learned his girlfriend was pregnant. Both 16 years old, they were babies themselves and incapable of raising children on their own. ”
Maybe his next sermon should be Grandma didn’t raise her child right. Letting her 16 year old have sex out of wedlock.
I wonder how he’s doing in school.
‘Mrs. J. I cleared 6 figures last year, tax free. I personally talk to Jesus on a daily basis. I’m idolized by the multitudes. Do you REALLY think my math test grade is a B? Woman, you got some learnin’ to do!’
As for Marjoe Goetner, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marjoe_Gortner from the Wikipedia site. Also, you can do a search for interviews for him. He was like this young fella, pressed by his guardian/ parents to be a preacher savant by following.
Melvin, don’t apologize to the ladies- your point is valid. i feel sorry for them equally. as for all of the huh!s in “preaching”- sigh, these chuch(not church) folk don’t feel you preaching unless you’re ‘hooping’. Personally, it’s awaste of time to me, and drags the sermon out. “For God, huh!, so loved the world, huh!, that He gave, huh!, He gaaaave, huh! He gaaave(low tone)huh!, His only huh!, begotten Son, huh! it wasn’t your son, no huh! but His Son, huh!, y’all aint feeling me now huh!, and well… you all know how the rest goes. sigh. Just talk! dragging your point out. i really can’t picture Jesus or any of the holy apostles doing this. sigh.
LOL! Thats true. I have never felt good about this. (Huh!) It appeals to the flesh. I know some who are really caught in this type of preaching, and some really believe that it isn’t God and you aren’t “letting go” (as some say) if you aren’t (Huh!) hoopin’.
The (huh) is just a cadence, to keep the pace from being to slow or to fast, I think.
Poor Terry, “pastor feel good” remember to keep this young man in prayer. He preaching a sermon he might not even no how to spell most of the words in.
You are right about keeping this young man in prayer. It is so dis-heartening to know this is going on. He apparently can’t (at times) be a child. Patterns such as this can strangle his future because of the confusion between when he is to be “the child” then “the preacher”. that Marjoe link is serious information. Very interesting reading on that individual.
Pray for not only him, but his father and grandmother.
I wonder if his father has any insight as to if this is proper…..or he just goes with the flow.
As for cadence, man I wish they would put that away….(Huh!…And My Bible says….Huh!) It becomes entertaining. This is usually the hoop and holler session of the sermon.
During this type of preaching, How many really remember what is taught. For me I (though I thought initially this is what preaching was) observe it now to be extremely distracting.
munchausen syndrome by proxy. lol. that’s funny.(the concept, not the person being exploited)
They are just exploiting him. It’s all a show with all that whooping crap. This is the age of the Laodicean Church, they’re just lukewarm, anything goes. I wonder what he has to say about adultery, homosexuality. Is he preaching about sin or all the things he learnt? Has he experienced anything? Does he cast out demons? Does he goes evangelizing?
I agree with you Melvin about he women pastors no need to apologize for that. This little one is being exploited and taught unbiblical teachings, it’s gonna take a miracle when he’s older to relearn him.
This is pretty sad. I remember when people came to church and wanted to learn something.
MJ!!!!
I’ve been out of the loop for so long,(been raising a new baby!!) but I still check in from time to time. Just want to point out how scary it is that all these folk are being preached to from an “I can read” bible!!! Not an NASB, or even a “Melvinite” bible, but “I can Read.”
(MN: I hear tell the bible has pop-up pictures of the Ark, the Chariot that swept Elijah away, and Golgotha. Glad tyo hear from you again. How’s the new baby and wife?!?)
rev_ak is back in da HOUUUUUUUUUUUSE!!!!
Give the crumbcruncher a little kiss from Uncle Gary Rev!!!!!!! Glad to see you back!!
MJ,
the baby is doing wonderful and my wife is back to full health. (thank God) I am finally back in ministry. I have accepted a staff position with my new denomination. (General Baptist) I have been liscensed and will be ordained within a year. Many times I browse the site but do not comment because I am holding a baby! It has been a tough year for me, but to all those folks out there who are sitting on the fence about wheter to get out of your church or not because of bad doctine, it is worth it!!! It’s never going to get any better anyway! It is worth the peace of mind to know that when I step in the pulpit, (my first time as a General Baptist is December 10) something supernatural doesn’t have to happen. If I preach an expository message that I know I labored over and prayed for, that is good enough. I guess if I would’ve known that the REAL “annoiting” comes from the” I can read ” bible, I would be a lot further along….By the way, about 50% of the folks in my new church are… GAsp!!!…Calvinists….
Hi Rev,
It’s good to know that all is well with you, your wife, and the baby. I haven’t been responding either, just browsing, every now and then. I will definitely keep you all in my prayers.
Thorn, your description of him as a “Mini-Me” had me in stitches!!!!!!
I can just see TD Jakes as Dr Evil, pinkie poised at the corner of his mouth, saying……. “We’ll make one BILLION dollars!”
Race and the church - relevant?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061025/ap_en_mo/film_black_jesus
I can look at both side of the coin but I have to ask this question. Does it really matter what color Jesus was or should I say the color of his skin. Last I checked, Jesus is not coming back for a race of people but for a people who have run the race(His Church). Let me ask this question also, If Jesus was to appear on earth today and you dicovered he was the opposit color of what you thought, would you still worship Him? Don’t fall into this diversion saints as it is another wile of Satan in an attempt to divide and conquer. Me personally, I really could care less what the color of His skin is as long as I am one of His.
Well put Al, I could care less what color he is I’m just here to worship him, serve him, and to tell others about the Glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ. We all know that if the film writer is saying that Jesus was killed because of his race, this will be a false gospel, not the truth. And i hope that the black community doesn’t embrace it as if it was true, or as if it matters what race or King of Kings is.
The twisting of the Gospel story in an attempt to further an agenda (racial or otherwise) is sickening.
No less sickening than twisting the Gospel to line your pockets, or to control people.
The article J Train posted referenced the tendency of different people groups to remake Christ in their own image.
If you’re white, you get an Anglo Jesus.
If you’re Asian, you get an Asian Christ.
Eskimo?? Rub noses with Jesus.
I could care less if you choose to remake Santa in your own image. It doesn’t offend me in the least when I see that. Want a black Santa?? Knock yourself out.
Christ was a Middle Eastern man.Likely with dark eyes, hair, and skin.
Not a blond haired, blue eyed white guy. Not an Indian. Not an Eskimo.
This sort of project by Christians tells us that race is still an issue within the Church, and that we do not truly believe that we are all one. And this project will likely make matters worse.
Not to mention the twisting of the Gospel story to make race the reason for Jesus’ crucifixion. That belittles both His mission, and His message. It’s blasphemous.
It is no less repugnant than anything Creflo or Copeland do.
Let’s be clear…….. we’re talking about idolatry. Fashioning a god according to our own desires [ ie,one who makes race an issue in salvation] or image[color,culture], whether in wood and stone, OR on film, IS idolatry. Only the technology is different. What used to be done with an axe or a chisel is now accomplished through film or in a TV studio.
There’s nothing new under the sun.
Exd 32:1 And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for [as for] this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
Exd 32:2 And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which [are] in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring [them] unto me.
Exd 32:3 And all the people brake off the golden earrings which [were] in their ears, and brought [them] unto Aaron.
Exd 32:4 And he received [them] at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These [be] thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
Exd 32:5 And when Aaron saw [it], he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow [is] a feast to the LORD.
Pay particular attention to the last word in these verses……….LORD. Strong’s Concordance 03068.
The word is Jehovah.
Can you see the parallel?? The Israelites made a golden calf………..an idol. It was then proclaimed that this idol had brought them out of Egypt. They called the idol Jehovah, Strong’s 03068.
The next day, they had a feast to their new “Jehovah”. Except, it wasn’t like any feast either they or their fathers had ever celebrated to Jehovah before.
No, this time there was drinking, and sex, and lewdness.This “new” Jehovah apparently allowed and encouraged this behavior. How different from the real Jehovah.
Here we have men taking Christ……….refashioning him in their image via film……….and apparently, this “Christ” wishes to promote race as the reason for His crucifixion.
No different than Benny Hinn,or Oral Roberts, or Creflo, or a hundred others….. fashioning a “Christ” after their own image. A Christ who loves and encourages the accumulation of wealth at the expense of the sheep, Who died to make us wealthy, Whose death on the cross was insufficient to save until He suffered in Hell.
Isaiah 44:10 says……..
“Who fashions a god or casts an idol that is profitable for nothing?”
In other words, everyone who makes an idol does so to profit…………to fulfill or justify their lust.
Just because they call that idol “Jehovah”, or “Jesus”, doesn’t make it so. Want to know whether it’s actually the God of the Bible?? See how they profit from their “god”. If it doesn’t line up with what the God of the Bible commands, they can call their idol “Jesus” all day long………it don’t make it so.
How many times have we heard this message preached? What does he know about trials and tribulations? His mom might know, but he don’t. What is he about 5 years old or something……hopefully he can make enough money to go to college or something. I’m sure he’s getting paid, if not him, somebody is. But all jokes aside, I hope that at some point as an adult, he becomes legit. He’s only a boy, doing what he has been taught to do. What’s up Melvin!?!?!?!
as christians we thinkwe have a lot of time to get our family saved. we say thing like this ,when he grows up he will go to college. but we never say if Jesus delay his coming back. it’s time for us to start spreading the gospel to our unsaved love ones because time is running out. it’s time to stop playing church and be the church that God wants us to be
There is a really good website that is trying to warn individuals about the many false prophets and teachers…www.forgottenword.org. It seems to be on the same page as a lot of us are on; “Truth”!!!
Friend of God
Wow….checked it out. Interesting how they have pictures relegated to the bios of these people. Thanks.
If it is true that “master prophet” Jordan ask for your birthday to give you a prophecy, then I know what he is into………NUMEROLOGY. I did reasearch on it years ago and it is interesting at best. Jordan is into Astrology and Numerology and now I know see that studying up on numerology has been helpful. NOW DON’T BE ALARMED GUYS, I didn’t say I lived my life by it as I know the Bible speaks against this sort of thing but I studied it for a reason, not to use it. Some of his pictures on his website are pretty spooky. Saints, this thing is real. Stay prayerful that the saints are alerted to this guy.
Additionally, Al and all, take a look again into Jordan’s eyes. When I first saw the picture, something didn’t “set well” with me. Then I read your post, IMMEDIATELY, the Word of God came from Luke 11:34: “The lamp of your body is your eye; when your eye is clear, your whole body also is full of light; but when it is bad, your body also is full of darkness.”
Let me continue to beat this dead horse. To all who will defend “master prohet” Jordan. Answer this for me. In Ephesian 4:11-14 it reads:
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, PROPHETS; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the SAINTS, for the work of the MINISTRY, for the edifying of the BODY OF CHRIST:
13 Till WE all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That WE henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Now if you notice I added CAPS to some of the words to say this. The gift of prophecy is not for those outside the body of Christ and it is for the specific purpose listed in those scriptures. Now let me guess how those who follow such teachings are set up. They are told that you cannot grow in Christ if you are always worried about bills and money. God wants you rich and prosperous so you can reach others, because after all, who will listen to a christian if he is struggling to pay his bills and suffering financially? I mean, you follow a God that can’t even give you a nice car to get to work or a house in the ghetto? At this point, the average person will say, “yeah, that’s right” after the prophets have showed you one of a few scriptures that have been twisted or taken out of context to get you to buy into his scheme.
My father told me years ago that ain’t nobody giving away nothing for free so here comes the pitch. In order to get out of this situation of poverty, you have to give because after all, if you sow money, you get money, right? If you want apples, you sow apple seeds, if you want watermellon, you sow watermellon seed, right? So, if you want money. you sow….wait, I never heard of money seed. Let’s see, apples and watermellon is made from a seed but money seed is a…….tree. That IS what money (dollars) is made of isn’t it? Why is it that they say if you want crops you plant seeds but if you want money you have to plant money. With that analogy why can’t I give away crop if I want crops just as if I wanted money, I plant money? See where I am going with this? maybe not for some but I hope you get the picture.
that sounds like witchcraft to me.
Maybe it’s me but can some one tell me who’s preaching for, the
So call saved or the unsaved? I believe it’s for the so called unsaved but hay I maybe wrong. What if it’s for the saved, what should we be preaching?
Surely not salvation, were already saved delivered, filled with the Holy Ghost. Maybe the Bible, but wait that’s Sunday school also Tuesday and Friday night services. Hmm, Let’s see, I’d think it would be about how to grow is his grace. What is this child preaching? What has this 8-year-old experienced in life that qualifies him to preach growth?
Paul encouragers the believer of his day to “follow him as he follows Christ ” Any Building that invites this child should be corrected, it’s not show time at the Apollo, it’s time to grow and lead the world out of darkness into his
Light.
Well said, Michael. Well said.
Melvin,
I was just writing to let you know how much I appreciated the work that you perform on your website. After hearing about you through G.Craig Lewis, I discovered your website and I enjoyed the way in which you go about dealing with the issues (i.e. heresies, false/dangerous teachers and their teachings) that are taking place in the modern church by exposing what the Word of God says (not just saying that “Jesus” or “God” said but backing it up with what the Word of God says specifically and for that matter not simply basing what you say on a verse but expounding the verses you give in the context they were written in and, as you say so often, listening to the “whole counsel of God”). Many of the people you give light to (i.e. Creflo Dollar, T.D Jakes, etc) were people that I used to listen to heavily and admire. However, over the years as I study God’s chartacter and principles in the Word, I’ve grown increasingly uncomfortable with the things that they’re doing (i.e. Megafest or rather “Megamess”, “Name it and Claim it”, etc) and for that matter all of the wrong doctrines that they’re teaching have become all blantant…things I never noticed and was not bothered by until I actually started to read concerning what God has said in both the new testament and the old. Again, I appreciate the work so very much.
Concerning the commentaries, I very much enjoy reading the comments and seeing the way in which apolegetics take place and how the issues you deal with are not only commented on but how every opinion is brought up against the Word. I was wanting to get more involved and was wondering how.
To Melvin & the Community:
I wanted to share some things with all of you that I trust will bring a smile upon your faces. I have a member who has sat under my teaching for nearly 12 years now. She is in Dallas, Texas, looking for a job, and will move there should she be successful in gaining employment.
She sent me an e-mail informing me that the young lady that she is currently staying with while in Dallas, is a member of T.D. Jakes church, and that she invited her to attend with her.
Janet (that’s not her real name) went there and came back with amazing observations. She told me that Bishop Jakes is indeed a “smooth speaker”, and that he can easily capitvate one’s attention….especially that of women.
Janet says that when the Bishop told everyone what his sermon title would be, she assumed that he would have them to open their Bibles, especially since he said: “I’m going to bring a Word from the Lord this morning.”
Of course, she has been taught that the only “Word” that is from God is in the Bible, since the Bible is Divine rather than human in origin.
She said that all Jakes did was to pace the platform all morning spouting out words that were “empty of the Spirit’s unction/power.” After the service was over, she and her hostess went to have lunch and ultimately their conversation turned to Janet’s take on the whole experience. I hope you guys are sitting down.
Janet says that she tackfully told the young woman, that she was very disaapointed in Jakes sermon. She says she gave the woman this list:
1. The sermon had no biblical basis
2. The message was borne out of Jakes personality, and not by the moving of Holy Spirit.
3. The message was pretty much geared toward arousing the emotions of women in general.
4. While there were lots of people there, most of them did not have a Bible which means that they are not accustom to following along in the Bible.
Janet says that the young woman seemed sad as she listened to her, and then she asked: “What are you looking for in a sermon because as far as I know, Bishop Jakes is preaching from the Word.”
To which Janet replied, “how would you know since you didn’t bring your Bible with you? And how would any of the people know since they are caught up in the preacher’s personality?”
She concluded the e-mail by saying that everything that I’ve tried to teach at our church concerning the clear Word of God, and how we should be discerning, actually helped her to evaluate the entire experience at the potter’s house.
Janet says that she could tell that her hostess was surprised at her ability to understand the importance of these matters, and that she pretty much was shocked that Janet would crique the “Great T.D. Jakes” and find him lacking in Biblical constent and substance.
Needless to say, my heart was made glad because I have always prayed that my teaching ministry would make a difference in the life of our wonderful congregation, and from the e-mail I recieved, it looks like it might just have! To God be the glory!
Also, I heard Jamal Bryant preach this morning on BET, and he was preaching at the potter’s house, and his sermon was entitled: “God Wants You to Be Rich.”
He was preaching from Joel 2, which had absolutely nothing to do with what Bryant was spouting out of his mouth. My wife and I just shook our heads because from where we were, it appears that this young man doesn’t even “try” to exegete the text in its proper historical, grammatical, and cultural context. In fact, he is not even exegeting; just saying anything that will rattled the people.
And guess what? The people don’t know any better and nor do they care, because unbeknown to them, they have been PIMPED!
Blessings to All,
Black Theologian
A Question for Melvin:
Dear Melvin,
I was just curious about John Jenkins. I actually met him through a mutual friend, about two years ago in Las Vegas. I remember him as being a very small, diminutive man. He doesn’t seem to have any “presence” in the pulpit that would draw people.
So, my question is, what is Jenkins “drawing card?” What is it about “him” that people are attracted to? You can reply on the e-mail address as I realize you might not want to share your thoughts for the entire community.
Thanks!
BT
(MN: I sent my answer to BT. If anyone else wishes to opine on this subject, go right ahead. In fact, if you are JKJ fan, you are most welcome to tell why the draw. )
never heard of him.
Well to expound on the preacher boy, the word of God says God has no respect of person meaning what he does for one he can do for another and besides The Lord Jesus Christ is all powerful! He can use whoever he wants! We just have to be a willing vessel
(MN: If I take the logic of how you are using that phrase all the way out, Preacher Boy should start looking for a church to pastor. After all, God’s not a respecter of persons and can use an eight year old to counsel a husband and wife having problems just as well as he can a fifty year old. And surely the eight year old has been through enough that he can talk to a young girl who got pregnant and doesn’t know what to do. After all, God is no respecter of persons.
If I may, I’d like to suggest you go back to James and look at that verse in context. At best, he was talking about treating all saints with equal respect, not as if all saints (if the eight year old is even a saint) are interchangeable parts. )
1Ti 3:1 ¶ This [is] a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife (OOOOOOPS…….), vigilant, sober,(OOOOOOOPS……) of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;(OOOOOOOOPS………)
1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)(OOOOOOOOOPS………)
1Ti 3:6 Not a novice,(OOOOOOOOOPS…) lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
The “OOOOOOOOOPS” have it………
Amen to all the OOOOOOOOPS. I pray that this poor little boy will not be totally turned away from the love of GOD like Marjoe was, where once he gets older he only sees HIM as a marketing machine. I pray not. And don’t even get me started on women pastors. Ordination to preach the WORD of GOD comes from the Spirit of the LORD that abides within you. Not the laying on of hands by man or woman. Get the obituaries out of the Bible, blow the dust off and crack it open sometime. You’ll be amazed at what is NOT in the Bible that we have accepted as the truth for years!
Hi Gary, I don’t mean to offend you but I just want to ask you what do you hope to accomplish with all of your biting sarcasm? You could have just let the Word of God speak for Itself w/ out all of the “ooops”. They just aren’t necessary. Actually whenever any of us flavors our remarks w/ so much sarcasm, flippancy, and smuggness, it detracts from our witness. We still must speak the truth in love. Eph. 4:15, 29. Please remember whatsoever we do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus. Col.317 To do otherwise just puts the flesh on display and reveals a proud spirit. I say this to you to encourage you to come up higher in that area, and ask the Lord to help you to refrain from using this form of speech to make your points, and rest assured, i am doing likewise. (I Cor. 9:27) Prov. 17:17 I’ll pray for you. Peace.
No offense taken………….I would suggest however, that sarcasm, humor, and sharp words are perfectly legitimate means of making points about these false teachers.
For example…….
.22Then Elijah said to the people, “I, even I only, am left a prophet of the Lord, but Baal’s prophets are 450 men.23Let two bulls be given to us, and let them choose one bull for themselves and cut it in pieces and lay it on the wood, but put no fire to it. And I will prepare the other bull and lay it on the wood and put no fire to it.24And you call upon the name of your god, and I will call upon the name of the Lord, and the God who answers by fire, he is God.” And all the people answered, “It is well spoken.”25Then Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, “Choose for yourselves one bull and prepare it first, for you are many, and call upon the name of your god, but put no fire to it.”26And they took the bull that was given them, and they prepared it and called upon the name of Baal from morning until noon, saying, “O Baal, answer us!” But there was no voice, and no one answered. And they limped around the altar that they had made.27And at noon Elijah mocked them, saying, “Cry aloud, for he is a god. Either he is musing, or he is relieving himself, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and must be awakened.”
I haven’t as yet used bathroom humor……….but Elijah clearly did. Perhaps he is in line for some correction as well??
Have you even read any of this website?? Humor is used throughout to strip the veneer of “godliness” and anointing off these pimps.
The debt of love I owe, I owe to those being fleeced. To the shearers I owe the truth……….which is the most loving act possible, for without it their blood is on my hands.
Perhaps Christ, and Paul, and Peter, and Jude serve as a better model for addressing those engaged in promoting false christs and deceivers??
Children of hell……..hypocrites…….blind guides……..ravening wolves……..whited sepulchers……..vipers………abominable……..evil beasts……….reprobate.
How about the man who wrote the “love chapter” which is so consistently misapplied??
Tts 1:10 ¶ For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
Tts 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.
Tts 1:12 One of themselves, [even] a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians [are] alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
Tts 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
(please note here that as well as dealing harshly with false teachers, Paul admonishes us to “rebuke sharply” if necessary those in the faith who have veered from sound doctrine)
Tts 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Tts 1:15 Unto the pure all things [are] pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving [is] nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
Tts 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny [him], being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
That’s good enough for me.
Once again we have to address the wresting of “love verses” from their context of believer/believer relationships and force them into believer/deceiver relationships.
Please be so kind as to show me from Scripture where we are commanded to love the false prophets of our day in the manner we are to love fellow believers. And it would be helpful if you could demonstrate Christ or Paul or Jude……..somebody……….who dealt with false teachers and false doctrine in the way you prescribe.
I’m open to correction from Scripture…….. rightly divided.
PS……….why no criticism for Melvin, whose biting wit is absolutely devastating?? I find that odd……..it’s either respect of persons or evidence that you haven’t spent much time perusing the site.
Thank you for your concern……..sincerely. But I believe you have inadvertently taken Scriptures that apply to the brethren and missapplied them to our conduct toward deceivers. You’re not the first.
Blessings……..
hi gary, to clarify somethings: using all of your oops is not the same thing as exposing false prophets or erroneous doctrine. if you say it is, then u and i will just have to agree to disagree. as for Jesus and Paul using harsh words against false teachers- i never said anything against that. they need to be rebuked sharply and openly for their sin is done openly. but again this isn’t the same thing as making fun of people who are being deceived, and are just plain gullible.also, i never said or implied that we are commanded to love false prophets the way we ought to love the brethren. i wasn’t even talking about false prophets- you are. and yes melvin is also guilty of using sarcasm, flippancy, and smuggness unnecessarily at times, and likewise, needs to come up in that area by the Lord’s help. i never suggested you were the poster boy for illspoken words, as i have been guilty of them myself and have been reproved. i don’t sympathize with liars and deceivers and don’t believe my posts anyway encourage that. i still maintain and believe the NT teaches us how we are to communicate effectively, and to the Glory of God. Being sarcastic, flippant, and smug when not needed is counterproductive and unfruitful. henceforth, we will agree to disagree. blessings to you and peace.
Agree to disagree we shall………I’m glad you’re here.
thank you gary, i’m glad you’re here too. and thank you melvin for allowing me to post. blessings and peace to you both
I am praying for you brotha…..here is your post….
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife (OOOOOOPS…….), vigilant, sober,(OOOOOOOPS……) ***OF GOOD BEHAVIOR***, given to hospitality, ***APT to TEACH***;
Let’s not forget our conduct, that is the overall theme of this scripture as well as the entire chapter. God Bless.
Prov 17:27
Please see reply to Mrs Maverick above. If OOOOPS offends you………..I’m afraid this site may well give you a nervous breakdown.
TO GARYV:
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! You (& Melvin) are PRIME examples of why God FIRST formed the male out of the ground (though Adam “blew it”). You are indeed keepers, and your wives and children are blessed! Again, I have copied and printed out another example of your understanding of the Scriptures—rightly dividing the Word of Truth. Your light shines through the ultimate grace with which you share and follow Jesus in “all things which are written about [Him] in the Law of Moses, and the Prophets, and the Psalms…,” (Luke 24:44). As we see, the New Testament fulfills the Old. Grace and peace to you, man of God! His love, and mine,
Beryle
Melvin,
I rolled on the floor laughing so hard at your rebuttal, tears came out of my eyes!! LOL!!!
Whether it is received or not, I would like to say that I commend this post. Good balance. Ministered to me as well. Thanks.
what post are you referring to?
I referenced the original post by Mrs. Maverick (2006-11-01 10:22:02)…the post got pushed down a bit, so it looks like something where one may say….What is he talking about?
While I was at work the other day, a woman there showed me an article in a gossip rag that she thought I would find interesting.
The National Enquirer (no, I don’t suggest you start subscribing) has an article about TD Jakes’ Mini-Me.
Yup………..our pint-sized Profit has made the Big Time!!!!!!
Seems granny’s church is the True Gospel Deliverance Ministry (wink-wink, nod-nod, say no more) in Fort Lauderdale, Fl.
Like a little exerpt from his deep theological, doctrinal , exegetical , hermeneutical depths of Biblical wisdom??
Heeeeeeeeere ‘ya go……..
“Who am I??” thunders Terry.”I am Doctor Feelgood!!!”
“Yes!!!!! Tell it!! Preach on!!” adult followers shout back.”
Wow……….that’ll save me a month of Bible reading right there.
“He can move people, touch their hearts,” explained Pastor Monroe”. (Otherwise known as Grandma, Granny, or ‘Nanna )
Terry’s fame is growing, and he has traveled to Orlando and Philadelphia, where he commands $200 to $250 fees for his sermons. (Guess who’s gonna have the flyest tricycle on the block??)
During a service in Waycross,Ga., the youngster decided on his unusual clothing style.
“There was a preacher there wearing a gold suit,gold shirt,gold tie,gold socks,” recalled Pastor (Granny) Monroe. “Terry said right away: “That’s how I’m going to dress.”
How did this little angel become a preacher?
“I just followed my Grandmother,” he told the Enquirer.
Well…………that’s certainly easier than following the Word or receiving a call from God, now isn’t it??
Sighhhhhhhh………..