Never have I agreed with the agenda of politics and the church mixing as these men allow to occur through their congregants, allowing corrupt/greedy men sell themselves to the people.

It just goes to prove that we were never intended to have “Christian Superstars” (an oxymoron if ever there was one).

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061103/ap_on_re_us/haggard_sex_allegations

(MN: I’m putting this up because Haggard haspublicly admitted to receiving Meth from a homosexual escort. But like Mr. Clinton, he says he didn’t inhale. Go figure.

The interesting thing is that Haggard wasn’t even on my radar screen until just now. )

Verse 22: And of some have compassion, making a difference - The general meaning of this exhortation is supposed to be, “Ye are not to deal alike with all those who have been seduced by false teachers; ye are to make a difference between those who have been led away by weakness and imprudence, and those who, in the pride and arrogance of their hearts, and their unwillingness to submit to wholesome discipline, have separated themselves from the Church, and become its inveterate enemies.”

Verse 23: And others save with fear - “Some of them snatch from the fire: but when they repent, have mercy upon them in fear.” - Syriac. “And some of them rebuke for their sins; and on others have mercy when they are convicted; and others save from the fire and deliver them.”

Bondservant of the Lord Jesus Christ,
William Taylor Sr.
http://www.actioncross.net

Now that was funny.

2. Was Jesus tearing these men down? Was He being “ugly”? And He was certainly the beginning of Christianity. Was Jesus tearing these men down and “being ugly”?

3. These hypocrites were not only overtaken in a fault and preaching a compromised gospel (little “g”), Jesus warned the multitudes AND His disciples (1) to not call Rabbi (teacher); (2) do NOT call anyone on earth your father–a popular religious and erroneous bit of trite within the mega institutions of their little ceos; (3) the greatest among the followers of Christ should be servants, NOT sashay around town, country, and the world with an entourage.

4. Deuteronomy 8:18 is an “afterthought” (if indeed these liars and hypocritical preachers of another gospel mention this verse at all). These lovers of ill-gotten gain, hired hands, devourer of widows’ houses, respecters of persons. INSTEAD, Jesus makes a profound connection sadly missed by defenders of these deceivers:

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are FULL OF ROBBERY AND SELF-INDULGENCE.” Matthew 23:25. These vessels of dishonor are “FULL OF ROBBERY AND SELF-INDULGENCE,” words of God Incarnate, the Lord Jesus Christ!

This is where the jet planes, million-dollar homes, thousand-dollar suits, TAKING (stealing)THE FIRST SUNDAY’S OFFERING WITHOUT INFORMING THE CONGREGATION OF THIS DISPICABLE ACT! At least other secular organizations consistently employ their pyramid schemes so that a very few people beneath them receive a little of the profiteering. But these greedy transgressors of God’s law, those who trust in riches, heap stolen money to themselves and their immediate family members on their payrolls.

Further, they bring under their not-for-profit umbrellas, heretofore “independent” departments like schools under their own names. The whole of Psalm 49 fully describes these foes of the Kingdom of God, especially Psalm 49:10-13:

“For he [man] sees that even wise men die; the stupid and the senseless alike perish, and leave their wealth to others. Their inner thought is, that their houses are forever, and their dwelling places to all generations; they have called their lands after their own names. But man in his pomp will not endure; he is like the beasts that perish. THIS IS THE WAY OF THOSE WHO ARE FOOLISH, AND OF THOSE AFTER THEM WHO APPROVE THEIR WORDS.” Let’s just get back to basics folks: Read your Bible for yourself!

(P.S. MELVIN: Sorry, I lost tj’s post somewhere within the site. Please have your wonderful VOPWM put this in its proper place, thanks much!)

The fact that I was so reactionary says a great deal about me as well……….none of it good ;-))

I think I’m getting too accustomed to responding to attacks here. I’ve become positively Pavlovian in my responses.

I have to go now………my wife just rang the dinner bell, and I’m drooling all over my keyboard :-))

“Expect an acceleration of favor this summer. Expect it. Expect it. And once you get into this acceleration, there will be a momentum like a snowball that’s rolling down the hill. And you’ll begin to collect more favor and more goodness and more favor and more goodness. You’ll move into 2007. And for those of us who will start the momentum now, 2007 is going to be like heaven. We’re going to see the glory of the Lord!”….then how can that be justifiable? This is beyond simple error in doctrine, this is blatant heresy. Here is his website for your perusal.
http://interactive.creflodollarministries.org/bible/prophecies.asp?site=CDM

(MN: All beating of dead horses is welcomed. You can’t point out the idiocy of these people enough. I want to put this stuff before the sheep and keep it before the sheep. You have to understand that the complaint is not about a misstatement or to. Rather it is about a systematic, and I think intentional, twisting of scripture to take advantage of people who should know better. )

Of course I accept your apology. You cannot begin to know how much I actually appreciate people who will stand for something without saying “I feel,” “I think,” etc…, but back their position of up with Scripture. You were right to check me if you thought I was coming here to be counterproductive. But really, I enjoy the challenge and have the utmost respect for men of God who represent Christ with integrity.

Dawn

And while you can’t say who is saved and who isn’t, you can reflect what the Bible says, starting with 2 John 9 (the deceivers don’t have God)

The most of the subjects of this site don’t even know I’m here. And even if they did, they wouldn’t pay any attention to it. It’s not about them. It’s about the pimped who are willing to walk away.

And the dismissal of their “ministries” isn’t based on blurbs from the internet. It’s based on their words from their sites, their words in interviews, their words and practices on television. How may times does a pimp have to say that Jesus was not God, He became God before you are willing see it as more than a “blurb”? If you look through the site, you will see that with very few exceptions, I don’t use current news stories. They are too unreliable. )

I misunderstood your intent and made an assumption. I apologize. I wasn’t suggesting that your investigation of those who are in error was superficial. When I said “I” couldn’t make that determination I really was speaking personally. Thanks for the clarification.

(MN: No problem. Live long and prosper. )

As Melvin has often said, the point of the “comedy” is to rip the veneer of respectability and Godliness off of them. If you peruse the responses of the “pimped” who comment here in defense of the indefensible, you will see that the errors and heresies of these wolves are not addressed. There is only the incessant bleating of the duped to “Touch not My anointed” etc, etc, ad nauseum.

Well, the humor serves to invalidate the erroneous assumption of their “anointing”. Illustrate absurdity with absurdity, I always say.

PS……….I wouldn’t have interjected myself into this but if you read the byline of the original “Willow Boy” article, it’s mine with Melvin’s oversight and editing.

In fact, the “Willow Boy” tag is Mel’s concoction……..I only wish I had thought of it first :-)).

PS……..I hope you will accept my apologies for my initial antagonistic reply to your first post.

I cannot say who is “saved” and who is not “saved.” I can discern false doctrine because I can line that doctrine against the word of God and measure it. But a man’s soul? I don’t have that kind of insight. I believe that is a judgment reserved for God. Some of us are going to rule and reign with Christ, and some are going to make it in by the skin their teeth, having all their works tried by fire and burned up, but retain the salvation of their soul. But Jesus Christ will determine that.

But the flipside of your argument is that if they are sinners it is okay to make fun of them.

I think (hope) you’re attacking the hypocrisy of men who ought to know better, and the motivation behind the exposure is to (1) make those who do not know aware of their deceitful ways and (2) and cause those individuals who are the subject of your ridicule to see themselves in light of the truth and make a decision to repent and truly turn towards God or stop naming the name of Christ in association with their activities.

(MN: Let me try again. It is not my purpose to try and turn the pimps from their ways. They do know better. My purpose is to warn the unwary believer away from them. Paul doesn’t say “mark such men and try to convince them to return to orthodoxy.” He says “Mark such men and stay as far away from them as you can.” The site is not about reconciliation any more than a pedophile registration program is about reconciling pedophiles with children. It’s a warning, pure and simple.

And the dismissal of their “ministries” isn’t based on blurbs from the internet. It’s based on their words from their sites, their words in interviews, their words and practices on television. How may times does a pimp have to say that Jesus was not God, He became God before you are willing see it as more than a “blurb”? If you look through the site, you will see that with very few exceptions, I don’t use current news stories. They are too unreliable. )

Dawn