Here’s a quick reference to an interesting story out of Dallas - yeah, the city of T. Dexter and a couple of other hustlers. It’s about Bishop Terry Lee Hornbuckle of the Agape Christian Fellowship. A tip o’ the hat to Duke for the info on the article.
The bishop is in a bit of trouble with the law. He’s on trial for assaulting a couple of women, sexually assaulting them. Normally I wouldn’t cover this story. He might be found innocent. But there is a paragraph buried down in the story that I thought was kind of interesting.
The defense lawyer, while trying to defend the good bishop said:
Mr. Hornbuckle’s defense attorneys readily concede their client is guilty of a host of venal sins: hubris, arrogance, lying, dope-smoking and serial infidelity.
None of which is a serious crime. His accusers, the attorneys say, were willing partners in consensual sex who are now trying to cash a big check with a lawsuit based on trumped-up criminal charges.
Did you catch that? They and the bishop admit that this man is guilty of lying, dope smoking, and serial infidelity. Serial infidelity , that means he has been unfaithful to his wife on many more than one occasion. Basically, his defense is “I’m not a rapist. I’m a philanderer.” I guess that’s much better. The obvious question is why is this man a pastor? The second most obvious question is why are the 500 people who stayed after he went to jail still following this clown?
Of course I guess the final question one should ask is: Why is Renee, Terry’s arm candy and co-pastor hanging with this dude? If she is the pastor, even a “co” one, shouldn’t she have told this bozo to step down and get counseling? After all, he admits to lying, dope smoking, and serial infidelities.
Does anyone think there is something wrong here? Do any of you expect to hear T. Dexter or others say anything about this couple? Do some of you out there want to try to defend this clown?
Give it a shot. I might have missed something.
Now, Now Melvin. Let’s not judge this brother but pray for him. The word says touch not mine annointed and do my prophets no harm. We are to bear the infirmities of the weak. Those who have stayed are the ones who will not run when the tough get going. We have to hold this brother up. Come to think of it we need to take an offering for him, I say a everyone send $100.00 love offering or plant a seed of $1000.00 to help in his defense fees. When the early church was in need, the saints came together and helped each other.
As for his sin, we all have sinned and came short of the glory of God. He who has not sinned, let him cast the first stone. First John says that if we say we have no sin we are liars. SO this brother slipped up and fell into a trap the those women sent from satan to lure him away. But hey, he will bounce back after all his faithful memebers and fellow saints hold their prayer service and plant those seeds of faith.
(alarm) **Ring* Ring* Ring** …. What a dream I just had. I dreamed that all these defenders of Bishop Hornbuckle ran to his defense and his members STILL stuck by him after being exposed. Oh wait, that is a reality..
Tell the truth Melvin, I had you going when you first started reading this didn’t I? Seriously it is sad but true, when people have their heart$ $et with the wrong motive$, nothing you $ay or $how them will change their mind$. Only God can open their eyes.
P.S. Keep up the good work and if you steer one person in the right path away from the pimps and pimpets, this website would have been worth it. Many “fans” of these pimps and pimpets will visit and point friends to this site only to try and tear you down but if I could borrow a line from Carlton Pearson’s mother Sherman, “you just keep on keepin on”, Don’t be suprised if one of the pimps visit and speak about you nationally or even try and sue you.
http://www.letusreason.org/Pent47.htm
Please stop with that “Touch Not My Anointed…..”
These Apostate, Anti-Christ Gospel preachers really know how to keep people in bondage!
I know, I use to serve (idolatry) one of the best apostate, anti-Gospel preachers in the Word of Faith Movement…I.V. Hilliard.
Deception is subtle. Please return to Christ!
This is serious….your eternal life is at stake
Psst… read the whole reply. The “touch not my anointed” thing was sarcasm.
He got me too. But I have to read all of each posting so I got down to the next paragraph. But I was about to turn purple from frustration and amazement.
This comment by Al was intriguing. Wow, he had me amazed with his defense of Hornbuckle for about two minutes….Whew! Almost blew my top.
This guy has probably already persuaded his followers that this whole thing is “an attack from the Devil”. When people are decieved or sold on a person, that person can pretty much get away with anything, and the people will make excuses for him. This phenomenon is similar to the brain washing that pimps perform on their hoes, which leads them to not only sell their bodies on the streets but to also give him every hard earned cent they make. Its all “pimpery”.
I wasn’t sure if you were aware if this interesting tid-bit from the Star Telegram:
“Bishop T.D. Jakes, the senior pastor of the 30,000-member Potter’s House in Dallas, and former Cowboys player Deion Sanders have been subpoenaed by prosecutors to testify - but whether they will actually take the stand remains to be seen.”
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/15224936.htm
I’m still waiting for yiou to post the ******* ********* scandal. When is that going to be?
(MN: After a fair amount of prayer and consideration, I don’t think I’m going to publish the information on ******** ********* or +++++++++ ++++++++++. It’s information that neither of them has come out with. Yes, it’s public information, but it is not information that they have admitted to. One of the strengths of this site is I can reject accusations of revealing dirt on the people I report on. If I make this incident public (something the perpetrator doesn’t want brought out), I would in fact be dealing in dirt. And though these tid bits (really more than a tid bits) are REALLY juicy, they would, I believe, cross the line from warning about bad doctrine and pimpery, to spreading dirt (even though it is true dirt) on a person. I still want to stay as far away from that as possible.
I suspect I am right at the door with this posting on Hornbuckle. The only hair-splitting difference is the fact that Hornbuckle’s legal team (I assume with his approval) brought out the fact that he is a lying, philandering dope smoker rather than me having to dig for it and make it public. He not only admitted it, he also played it down. For the moment, I am also going to decline to post the address of a website listing the allegations against Hornbuckle. I haven’t deleted it, but right now I’m declining to post the information. For now.
The other two stories (one a man and the other a woman) are not generally known publicly. And though they give a lie to all the pimp and pimpette are preaching, it is still generally private knowledge. As such I am declining to publicize the information. Instead, I want to continue to address the really bad doctrine they are promoting.
Remember, my primary focus on the site is to warn you about the pimps and pimpettes who through very bad doctrine take advantage of the sheep. Their private lives, except where they erupt into the public and seem to be a result of their doctrinal teachings, are outside the scope of the site.
Any of you have any thoughts on the subject? )
Melvin, again thank you for this website! I am so thankful that my eyes and ears are open to Gods’ Word and not to man. This case with this ‘hornbuckle’ is a true case of what is going on in the dark and coming to light. I’d bet many of the WOF heads are trembling at this man’s careless behavior (hopefully) cause many more people look at what is being preached vs what is being lived. !!STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR THESE PIMPS/ETTES!! Make them accountable and stop supporting false teachings !READ FOR YOURSELVES! (okay Melvin, I digress). I believe that the enemy is going to be revealed more and more (sooner than later) and when some of the blinders start coming off of more people - the great (riiiiight) WOF kingdoms will fall. How dare this man boldly declare his lying and scheming then try and make light of it all. (a colorful presidential lie) “I did not rape but I did this and that” no big deal. I pray that this website will reach many more people, although I know there are many who will never “see the forest for the trees”. But as for those who may read this “would you tolerate this from your child and pat them on the head and say it’s okay keep doing what you’re doing”? (no people my response is not based on scriptural text but I bet it can be backed by scripture.)
Oh yeah Melvin, good for you for not posting the “dirt” but you don’t have to. It’s posted all over the http://www.
Melvin, you is a tease…..
….. how you gonna wet up a brother’s mouth talkin’ ’bout “juicy tidbits” an then not serve up nothin’????
Melvin: Of course, this latest snafu is not humorous in the least, but since we Bereans are made in God’s image and in His likeness, we do have a sense of humor–you are living proof (smiles). Anyway, as I was re-reading your initial article I went to the word “philanderer” in the dictionary, and it is indeed sickening. As I was relaying the definition to another person, I mistakenly said, “philanthropist,” to which that person responded, “Considering ‘the Bishop’s’ alleged willingness to share his Herpes, you’re not far from wrong.” ROTFLOL!
MJ,
I think if it is proved that the “alleged” stories are true, you should let us know. Even though you correctly stated that their private lives are outside the scope of this site, it is EXACTLY their private lives that should be under scrutiny, just like those of us small-timers who are not on TV. Everwhere I work, my co-workers watch my every move. Every sentence I speak in my private life is scrutinized by people wanting to catch me slip up. Do I? Of course. But that comes with the territiroy of being a minister…and besides, you awoke the “sleeping giant” by arousing our curiosity…..
(MN: Here’s my dilemma - If I report a story I read in the newpaper and it turns out to be false, it is almost impossible to go back and make sure that everyone who heard the information (second hand, third hand, and on) gets the corrected version. I almost ran a story on one of the Ladyvangelists a couple of months ago. It was a really juicy story. The newspaper (out of St. Louis) came back a couple of weeks later and printed a correction to some of the more important parts of the story. It turned out that some of the information was more the views of a couple of eager beaver reporters than fact. Had I printed the story, I would have helped disseminate error. On the other hand, the “Fast Eddie Gets a New House” story actually had documentation that I could look at, read, and evaluate for myself. Sigh…the life of a pimp buster is so hard. And it’s way too interesting.
If the the bishop goes to jail, I will make sure the readers of Pulpit Pimps know about it. And if he is found innocent, I’ll dutifully report that too. )
al…you had me!!! i was getting my Scriptures ready to come after you with that “touch not mine anointed” nonsense!!1
bottom line: this guy should not be a pastor any longer.
“Behold, I have found only this, that God made men upright, but they have sought out many devices.” Ecclesiastes 7:29. According to KXAS-TV/NBC5 on 08/02/06 @ 8:10 AM, Court Records show this [”gratuitous pimp”], (my analogy) conducted 11 sexual assaults….while carrying Herpes. Listen folks, this is just the tip of the iceberg. “For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?” 1 Peter 4:17
Oh man! I literally am choking like I am about to puke. I am coughing and everything…
How…. sick.
500 souls still support this whoremonger………and fill his coffers. No wonder the world looks at the church as a joke.
Sheeple………
(MN: Pretty much. )
Just found a new link on the story. We are going to have to revise everything we’ve written here. This man is completely, 100% innocent.He has to be………..Emmitt Smith (former running back for the Dallas Cowpokes) sent in a letter to the Court praising the Good Pastor and calling him “an example” to Emmitt and his family.
I’m certain Emmitt’s wife will be thrilled with his choice of role model.
Nice to see that one false idol would take the time to prop another this way, though.In fact,Deion Sanders may well take the stand as a “character” witness as well according to the report (did anyone else just giggle like a schoolgirl? )
Of course the larger question these developments raise should be addressed as well………why do we elevate these baby Christians who cannot discern the difference between their Farina and their strained peas.
Speaking of babyfood (segues are my specialty)……..Has anyone else ever had the misfortune of catching Neon Deion on TBN ??
Absolutely, wrenchingly painful to watch. I call his attempts at preaching Gospeldygoop. Yet, we’re supposed to accept HIS word on this matter when he can’t even see past the Crouch’s shenanigans???
Maybe they can bring in Michael Irvin next!!!
Its not just the “clergy” that are fleecing the faithful, this article notes an upsurge in big time financial scams being run in religious circles.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/08/13/D8JFUH0O0.html
When the “Church” is more interested in the rewards of this life than the true reward of the Christian then we truly become pitiable. “If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.”
All of you sound like a bunch of gossiping old women, get back to praying for people and get a life. I know all of your lives are jacked up! Most of you are cheating on your wives or have in the past, or even sleeping with the same sex. Just stop and get a mirror, and look at your messed up triffing life. The women probably don’t have a man or if they do, its somebody’s husband, and the men on this site probably can’t even satsify a woman. Most of you are wanna be pastors anyway. No church having members! Get back to work!
I’ll “get back to praying for people,”Reasons…and I will start with YOU. Judging by your rant, you apparently have the same issues going on in YOUR life that you’re calling out on other members of this forum. Don’t worry, my brother/sister, everything will be alright.
First of all, I have never cheated on my husband, and secondly, all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. At least I can look at myself before I judge someone else and pray for them. I mean, are you so perfect that you have never done anything wrong? “No!!” I didn’t expect to get a response from anyone on this because I know that it is the truth. However, I question your response. Maybe you are just as guilty as this man. I have never heard of this pastor and I am not finding favor in him because he is a pastor. The point I am making is that we can’t always assume that Pastors are suppose to be perfect because they are not. For your last comment, yes, everything will be alright because I am sure he feels bad about what has happened because it is affecting not just him, but his family. Did you ever stop a think about this man’s family? I am a wife and mother of 2 children, and I will never want to hurt them because of my problems. Have some compassion or better yet, clean up your act, because by your comments, I feel that you have some confessions to make to God and you need to ask for forgiveness. I may be wrong, but hey, everybody is entitled to their opinion, whether you agree or disagree.
Well, my goodness………..thank you for your display of intellectual and spiritual acumen. I feel uplifted just responding to your incisive, insightful, and deeply relevant post.
On the other hand………why do you refer to these DOCUMENTED facts which are being presented in a court of law as gossip??
Gossip is comprised of innuendo and rumor. Not statements given under oath in a courtroom, and certainly not the admissions OF THE ACCUSED that he is, in fact, a drug user and serial adulterer.
If you had bothered to read all the posts, you would have found that Melvin could well have posted damning personal information about some other shady Pimps, but chose NOT to.
What is being discussed here is the admissions of a pimp………not gossip.
Such admissions should be disseminated in as widely available forum as possible to warn the church.
BTW……..nice touch to accuse the posters here of homosexuality, adultery, and sexual incompetence.
Just a clue for you there Einstein……….that would be gossip and innuendo without a supporting factual basis. That would make it gossip, and you a gossipper.
Can you see the irony?? I doubt it.
Pray and ask God to forgive you for your sins. I mean, I wasn’t really expecting a response to something that is the truth. Who are you to try to make me look like my comment was silly because it didn’t have facts or a definition of what gossip is? Come on, let’s get serious here! I know what this site is supposed to be about, but I guess it has turned into a retro National Enquirier. I mean, I am far from perfect, and I know you are as well. Just ask God to forgive you for whatever it is that you are doing, because you are doing something that only you and God know about whether it be lying, cheating, fornication, drinking, homosexual lifestyle, gossiping. Whatever sin you are commiting, ask God to forgive you. What makes this pastors sins any greater than yours? Yes, I see the sin, I mean the irony! The irony is that I hit a button with you about your life and the way you are living. Get it together and don’t forget to buy a mirror.
What are your sins? I need some entertainment.
for one thing what you do in the dark will come to the light and what you say in secret will be shouted on the roof top. can you understand the meaning of what I just typed?
i understand, but i sure hope that don’t apply to married couples lol
Actually, I’d be interested in how the fact that I have sins in any way addresses the purpose of this site. Maybe you could expound on it a bit.
Good response Gary, I dont understand why some people are unlearned when it comes to the word of God. They sit in church every sunday, tuesday, wednesday or friday and never ever get what the Gospel is really about.
Reasons must go to Horneybucks church.
No, I have never heard of this man before. I live in Maryland. I have heard of TD Jakes and Dion Sanders. Christians are always judging folks. That’s why unbelievers don’t like us. I haven’t heard anybody on this section mention pray for him or his family, but we call ourself Christians. We are to busy puffing ourself up, but Jesus will be back soon.
So, unbelievers don’t like us because we call them to a higher standard. Telling them that they are in need of a Savior. I guess I’ll stop because that’s judging.
No, letting the unbeliever know about Jesus and how Jesus can turn there lives around. You don’t have to judge them, just pray that they invite Jesus into their life and into their situation.
What happens if they don’t feel that there lives need turning around? What if they feel their situation is perfectly fine?
What do you do then?
Continue to pray for the individual. Praying changes things. Remember when you were a young adult and you would remember your grandmother or mother praying for you when the felt your life was going into a different direction? I remember my mother praying for me. She didn’t always yell and scream and preach to me, she would just fall on her knees and pray for her children. I turned my life around by seeing her and by being around other Godly women. God wants us to pray, and to pray without ceasing. There is already enough trouble in this world because we have forgotten to pray, we just want to go around and throw stones because it easier.
(MN: Actually, my grandmother was a heathen, ran a speakeasy and whore house during prohibition and the rest of my family was [and still is] Catholic. I didn’t have anyone obviously praying for me. The only person I can thank for my salvation is God and His grace. Bottom line - certainly God call on us to pray. But after the prayer [even during it] we are to act. At some point, you must act. That action can be: walking away from the pimps, warning others about the pimps, running a website, standing ont the street corner with a bullhorn warning others about it. Stopping at prayer is like standing by watching a pedophile accost a child. And in my opinion, it is just as deplorable. )
Wow, what a powerfull testimony. Melvin, would you care to elaborate on your conversion or is that way too personal? Was it difficult to break away from the Catholic church? Is it true that Catholics are prohibited from reading the Bible? The Lord still is working inspite of the enemy’s many tricks. Did your Grandma accept Christ into her life. I won’t be offended if you do not answer.
(MN: Not much to tell. She spoiled my younger brother something terrible, frustrated my mom and dad to the limit, and pretty well disrupted our family. While I can’t say with any certainty, her behavior to the end was certainly inconsistent with one who might claim the name of Christ - even taking immaturity in Christ into account.
Take a read at the “About Me” link [top of the light blue column on the right side of the page]. I talk about how I came to be a Christian. Poor ol’ Granma had nothing to do with it. )
Reasons,
My point was to get you to think outside of your theological understanding. I asked what I asked because of what I gathered from your writing, it seems that you believe we are to become Christians for the sole purpose of, “living a purpose-driven life”, or “having my best life now”. Not everyone is having a “bad life”(so they think), or are in some kind of misfortune. And as Melvin has pointed out, everyone doesn’t have someone praying for them.
What do you tell them when you tell them about Jesus? If it’s, “believe Jesus for a brand new car”, “believe Jesus for a healing”, “believe Jesus for this, for that”, that is not the gospel. What that is is a very smart marketing ploy. And you can have all this for the price of, whatever tithe they demand from you, or even more discouraging, the price of your soul.
It may be clear that I believe in what Melvin is doing, because not enough people(laity) are doing it. It is our responsibility to know God’s word, and to defend it. Defend it even to death.
The gospel that we are called to defend is not the gospel of prosperity, or health and wealth, or “having my best life now”, or “10 steps to spiritual and financial success”, or “come to Jesus, He’ll make you feel better about yourself”. If you look at the quotes, you’ll find that none of these things are what puts you in right-standing with God. The gospel that we defend is the gospel of Jesus Christ. We were all born in sin, and we were at emnity with God. We were at war with God. But John 3:16 happened. And for those that believe, Romans 5:1 happens. So we go from war to peace with God, and in Christ Alone we are justified before God. So we become Christians not because of a situation, but because of our status with the Almighty. This is the gospel, this is the power of God to salvation.
The internet has a way of shielding true emotions. I hope I didn’t come of as rude.
Reasons, you really don’t know what you’re talking about…respectfully speaking. Unbelievers “don’t like us” because they see these people who are supposed to be LEADERS in the church..PASTORS…who show themselves to be hypocrites by telling other people to live right, to avoid sinning, when they do THE SAME THING! Unbelievers are tired of hypocritical leaders who bring shame to the gospel…who peddle the word and make merchandise of believers by selling things that God FREELY gave to them. It’s websites like this which brings to light the hypocricy and ungody teachings that these people engage in. 100% of the unbelievers that I’ve ever spoken to when discussing reasons why they shun christianity is because of the HYPOCRITES in the church who don’t practice what they preach, and the MONEY-GRUBBING preachers. You’re just gonna have to live with the fact that God is using people to expose those who are bringing shame to His name, and that means that their wrongdoings and erroneous teachings WILL BE BROUGHT TO LIGHT.
I don’t know what I am talking about? Who are you and, oh I forgot, you are perfect and without sin. Unbelievers that I know don’t like christians who constantly judge folks, and are hypocrites. They don’t speak about the leaders or pastors, just the members who practice God on Sunday, but come to work on Monday and live for the devil. The unbelievers that I know won’t set foot in a church to hear the word because of the members they encounter on their jobs or the various places that they frequent.
you sound angry.
A sad debacle………the puddle-shallow pseudo-spirituality that eschews the Bible’s admonitions of how to deal with leaders in the church who fleece the flock, fornicate, engage in sorcery, etc.
Genuinely pitiful. It’s nothing less than hateful toward those deceived by these charlatans to seek to cover their sins.
reason displays that the gospel of the world is her preference. The world has created a “Jesus” in its own image……..one who detests judgement, winks at sin, advocates inaction while the flock are fleeced and slaughtered, offers unconditional forgiveness without repentace. This is the “good news” and the “Christ” that the world has created and loves.
Better dig into your Bible “reason’,,,,,,,,,,,the Christ you offer and the gospel you preach are not found there.
What are you talking about? You know nothing about me. I serve the true living God who tells us not to judge, period. I read my bible daily and I attend a bible believing church. Clean up your negative life, because I know that your life isn’t totally in order as well. Dig into your bible and ask God to forgive you.
Actually, I know a fair amount about you.
1. You don’t study the WHOLE bible for yourself. If you did you would say God tells us not to judge (He tells us to judge righteous judgement, that we judge and no one can judge us, etc.)
2. You tend to not listen. When Adrien pointed out that Jesus judged, instead of paying attention you went to the other extreme and accused Adrien of saying we are to constantly judge (and by this I assume you mean condemn) the man. It would have been nice if you had noticed that we are to judge (discern right behavior from wrong behavior)
3. YOu are blinded by titles. The man ADMITTED TO BEING A DOPE SMOKING, PHILANDERING DRUNK. And he presented nothing in the articles that in any way indicates remorse (or repentance) on his part.
4. You and your kind help these wolves and lazy beasts continue to prey on ignorant and lazy Christians.
Those are the four things I know about you. I don’t have to have met you, I don’t have to have worked with you, and I don’t have to have lived with you to know any of these things. Your words have made them more than obvious.
But with all of this, you are more upset that we are pointing this man bad PUBLIC behavior out than the fact that this philanderer spread herpes and knocked boots with women other than his wife. Not once have you addressed those issues. Instead you have made the spiritually contemptible cry of “Judge not!” which usually goes with “Touch not mine anointed” and is usually declared by people who read their bible daily as opposed to studying it consistently. But let me stop now before I actually judge you.
Melvin, you don’t know me and you don’t know it all. I read and study my bible and the bible does say “judge not…..”. I don’t need to argue with you or anybody else about this situation. I did read all the things he admitted to, and yes it was some terrible things, however, I don’t know you or the terrible things that you have done in the past. I know there are many because we all have done and are still doing terrible things in the present. I did not mention one time about “touch not my annointed”. What makes you so much better than me? Is it because you know the bible better than me, or that you teach bible classes? You don’t know what I have been through in my life and why I choose not to judge to the best of my ability. It seems like anybody who believes different than you or those people who feel like you do are cast down or belittled. If I were a new christian, I would be easily offended, but I am not. Melvin, I guess you know more than anyone of us, so good luck in whatever you are trying to do with this site. I came to the site in error but found the topics to be interested, and I though it would allow me to learn and grow. Remember that Jesus is coming back!
we are to Judge sin, read your bible.
A brief note to Reason,
I do not stand in defense of anyone on this message board. In a manner of speaking I do not even “defend” the gospel as it were because I believe the truth needs no defense. If your thought on the things said on this page regarding the illumination of the deeds done by the leaders of these churches remain true (like your comment about us being “gossips”) then I say that we are in good company.
The words of Christ:
“The teachers of the law and the Parisees sit in Moses seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.” Matthew 23:2-4
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices-mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law-Justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.. Woe to you teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!…” Matthew 23:23-25
Should I continue? Take a look at Matthew 23. It wouldn’t hurt to read 1Timothy 3 either.
Just a thought.
Oh, so you are telling me to constant judge this man, who I don’t even know and to call out all this negative stuff going on in the church? So if somebody knows some dirt on you, which there is some dirt about you that only God and you know, its okay? How about this, email me your recent sin, and I will call my friend and WAVA radio and post it on the radio for the entire Metropolitan area to hear and we will see where it goes from there. Now, I would just begin to pray for you and ask God to intervene in your situation, not spread it all over websites, radio, church, etc., Just a thought. However, I will read those scripture references that you sent.
Reasons, I think you are missing the point. While it is true, we all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God,(no great revelation there) I don’t see this man showing remorse for what he did, I see a desperate man trying anything he can to get out of going to prison. He admitted these things because he was caught and he was basically in a corner. Have you read the proverb where it says that God considers those that defend unrighteousness and those that condemns righteousness as a sin He hates.(and I am paraphrasing here).
Why are you standing up for this man. Melvin did not go and seek this guy out. These allegations and admitted sins came out in court AND THIS MAN IS LEADING THOUSANDS!! Read your bible and stop doing what you are accusing everyone else of doing. Or better yet STUDY you bible.
I am not standing up for this man. I have never heard of him until this website. I am standing up for not judging individuals period, because we can’t. Now, send me your sin and I will broadcast it all over the web and the radio and see who will stand up for you.
(MN: Then why do Jesus, Paul, Jude, and the rest tell us to judge righteous judgment? Surely they wouldn’t tell us to do something we are not supposed to do! By the way, aren’t you judging when you decide to not stand up for the man? I assume you have reasons to not stand up for him. Also, I didn’t broadcast his secret sins all over the internet. He and his lawyers did. )
In all your praying, could you please remember to pray for the victims of this man’s crimes, for their broken lives, their families who are also suffering, their children, mothers and fathers who are also having to listen to the degrading things their daughters, friends, and sisters had to go through? The lack of discernment by people who “claim” to know the Word is staggering! And you can stop that lie about reading your Bible daily, because you’re not fooling anyone but yourself.
(ok Melvin, feel free to take out that last line, that may have been a bit much) LOL
Ms. Annette, I am praying for the entire situation, the victims as well. Again, you don’t know me so I guess you are a psychic and your crystal ball showed me not reading my bible (wow, how Godly is that). Well, my crystal ball tell me that if your pastor did the same thing, if you even attend church, you would be bowing down to kiss his feet and be the main one defending him. Now, just because I don’t know every scripture in the bible, neither do you.
ALERT TO “REASON” AND HER COMPATRIOTS:
1. The Church and individual Christians are commanded by GOD’S Word to reject false teachers — heretics:
Titus 3:10 — “Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-
condemned.” [Note: The word “man” is not referring to gender here; its root is from Genesis 1:27 where “God created man in His own image, in the image of GOD He created him; male and female created He them.]
See Galatians 1:8-9
[Note: You will find in the Scriptures that when GOD repeats Himself, it’s past time to re-read, record, and repent immediately.]
See also Acts 17:11, Philippians 1:9-11, Proverbs 3:21 and 15:12
3. Believers are to be discerning: See Acts 17:11, Philippians 1:9-11, Proverbs 3:21 and 15:12
4. False teachers are liars and do not remain in sound doctrine — 1 Timothy 1:6-10 — “For some men [& women], straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions.”
“….realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane,….and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God….”
5. We are told by the LORD to judge those INSIDE the Church because GOD judges those outside. If we do not reject heretics and expel wicked men from the assembly of believers, and they are allowed to remain, they will leaven the whole lump:
1 Corinthians 5:12-13 — “For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? But those who are outside, GOD judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.” [This last statement is directly from the mouth of GOD in Deut 13:5; 17:7 & 12; 21:21; 22:21; & 1 Cor 5:2. HE has repeated Himself six times; i.e., the number of man.]
1 Corinthians 6:3 — “Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, matters of this life?”
1 Corinthians 10:15 [Paul the Apostle is teaching:] — “I speak as to wise men; you judge what I say.”
Ephesians 5:11 — “And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even EXPOSE THEM, for it is disgraceful even to speak of the things which are done by them IN SECRET.”
6. GOD’S instructions on how to recognize and deal with FALSE PROPHETS / PROPHETESSES:
Deuteronomy 13:1-5
Deuteronomy 18:20 & 22 Jeremiah 5:31
Jeremiah 14:14
Jeremiah 23:16, 25, 31-32
Jeremiah 27:15
Ezekiel 13:9
FINAL WARNING: LUKE 10:16 [JESUS is instructing the 70 others HE appointed as disciples] — “The one who listens to you llistens to ME, and the one who rejects you rejects ME; and he who rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME.”
JOHN 12:48 — “He who rejects ME, and does not receive MY sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.”
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Thank you Beryle the pearl for “rightly dividing the word of truth”. Here’s another scripture I found that applies to this terrible trial.
Jermiah 5:30-31:
30A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;31The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
What kind of minister runs around with meth and gnb? in his possesion?That is some real creepy stuff. We should pray for him and his family. I know Renee is not happy at all, but she faithfully stands by her man. I would have saw through him, when he asked to come to my house without his wife. What a sad story.
Melvin, as I read the responses to your post I am reminded of the text in Hosea 4:6, “My people perish for a lack of knowledge”. As a pastor I have become convinced that we (black folk) do not believe that theology matters, nor do we believe that behavior matters. So we turn a blind eye whenever ministers behave badly and then we wonder why the next generation leaves the church. They leave because they realize there are no standards of righteousness. The only standard is “love”, and each individual gets to define “love” for himself. Black postmodernism.
I am convinced that Jehovahs Witnesses have made major inroads into the black community because they offer a rational approach to Scripture. Wrong, but rational. The people who are drawn to JW’s are drawn to them by the shallow theology of many black churches. The-”Child we had us some church today!”- philosophy. All smoke & no fire.
I also believe that Black Muslims are growing because they stress behavior. Black Christians are so busy making excuses for their leaders, who are out to fleece them, that they don’t realize the damage they’re doing to the name of Christ.
You are doing a good work, however, let me say this, as you deal with these thorny issues try to stay away from name calling such as you did by referring to Hornbucks as “Horneybuckle”. I think that ultimately you undermind your cause when you do that. By all means call sin sin. We need that prophetic voice, but there’s no need to perform “linguistic sugery” on his name.
Press on, brother.
Actually, I didn’t call him horneybuck. A reader did. Had I called him that I would have spelled it “HornYbuck”. Again, the goal is to remove the dangerous veneer of respectability from these people. And lingusitic surgery is the best way to do it. THus:
Juanita Bynum = Juanita Bind’em
Creflo Dollar = Cashflow Dollar
Eddie Long = Eddie Wrong
etc.
Whatever you do when you read this site, don’t try to make it a nice quiet, I’m-going-to-be-gentle-and-sedate site. As I said in a previous posting, this is smash mouth apologetics that goes for the throat as intensely as the pimps go for the pocketbook.
If the contents offend you, don’t recommend the site to others. I wouldn’t have a problem with a decision like that. Each of you must make your own decision. Even in something like this.
Again, one of my objectives is to removr from them even a vestige of respectability and “anointing”; To leave them naked, so to speak, in front of you. I want to make sure that those of you who are willing to speak out against the pimps have the information they need and a complete understanding that these men and women in no way represent God.
I don’t know what to make of the devotees of Pastor Hornbuckle. I’m here in the big D and it is something to behold. It still remains to be seen if the good Bishop or Minister Deion will have to come to their friend’s defense as character witnesses. I found it interesting that according to our local newspaper, one of the victims went to “Minister” Deion after her attack for guidance in how to proceed legally against the good Pastor and Minister told her to “hold off on anything you might do until after we counsel him. He is so repentant for his actions.” Awww, woo woo woo. Is that not obstruction of justice? Get real. Judgment is what you are doing when you make a perception of a person without hard facts. We have documents that state what he has done. He has admitted to it all himself. What is done in the dark will always come to the light and it is rarely pretty when it does. Is it gossip, Reasons..or is not this judgment correct?!? I daresay most of the reasons the church at large is apostate and carnal is because of our inability to stand up to righteous judgment when it comes to us-and GOD is not mocked-it always does. Pastor needs to come clean and get real before GOD. His flock(and so many others) needs to stop worshiping him and seek the real truth of GOD. OK, I am done.
As I said………puddle shallow and paper thin “spirituality”.
Though she was directed to Scripture repeatedly which put the lie to her assertions, she never moved from her demonstrably wrong stance.
So add unteachable to the mix as well.
To Gary V: I concur, but see how 2 Timothy 3:1-7 (NASB) hits the nail on the head with verses 6 & 7: “For among them are those who enter into households and captivate WEAK women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” The KJV calls them “SILLY women…” That person is so weak (or silly) and weighed down with sins, she is incapable of containing the truth. You nor I wrote the Book, so we’ll just have to call a spade a spade. AMEN!
The Members of Agape recgonize that our Bishop has done wrong which is why at this moment Pastor Renee (the so called arm candy - which I find disceptful to her) for the last 19 months has lead Agape. And our Bishop is to gain counseling after the case. We have stayed not cause of the man but we stayed here because of Our Mission to continue ministry inspite adverse times with the circumstances, we are not fools cause we have stayed, we realize there is a mission to be done that is why we stay.
Three things:
1. Why would you have a woman pastoring the church? Didn’t he disciple any men who can then take up the reins?
2. Don’t you have at least a small problem with the fact that the man is a self-confessed philanderer, a herpes spreading philanderer?
3. Isn’t Hornbuckle’s behavior infinitely more disrespectful toward Renee than me calling her “arm candy”?
It’s curious that you pretty much gave him a pass (you understand that he has probably infected her with genital herpes, right?) and you are getting somewhat twisted out of shape over a fairly innocuous title. Heck, I don’t mind being considered arm candy. And I certainly wouldn’t object (at 54) to being consider eye candy either!
And you still consider him “your bisop.” Didn’t he step down, or something?
Melvin, I told you it wouldn’t be long before one of the pimps get word of this site and “come a visitin”. I warned you and now the flock (or the spies) are coming first to check you out. I am glad you don’t seem to be seeking popularity. People don’t like truth, Jesus told the truth and they crucified him, MLK told the truth and the assassinated him so get ready for character assassination, cause they “are a comin”.
AL: Let’em come. The Bible tells us that a fool utters all his mind; so let ‘em come: give a fool enough rope, and he’ll hang himself!
I wonder if Enlighten or the members of Agape have made a study of the qualifications in Scripture for a Bishop??
I hope it is acknowledged that he has forfeited public ministry in any form, since his restoration to office would bring reproach upon the church.
I respect that you, Enlighten, view your church’s ministry as not being tied to a man but to a mandate.
But there are problems associated with his wife overseeing the church, not the least of which is the impression it gives that she is simply keeping his seat warm (as well as the more obvious problem that Scripture teaches against women pastors).
I wish there was someone else qualified to take oversight of the church.
I simply cannot understand how one would still consider this man a bishop. The man doesnt need counseling, the man needs jail time. Im sure he was “counseled” by Deion when he heard what this man was doing.
And also, I dont smile upon Mr. Sanders for defending this man when the victim came to him in confidence. I am simply appauled. What if this was a child? Would he tell them to keep quiet and that adults ’sometimes do this to children’??
This is blasphemy.
Understand we dont Condone what our Bishop has done. I felt it was dispectful cause the way I saw it you see Pastor Renee as a show piece which she is not. In the Bylaws of our Chruch in the Absence of Bishop she is to oversee and which she has done very well. The fact she has stood by her husband I commend her. While y’all wish to speak down on my Bishop, I see you easily forget about David who was a Whormonger took another man’s wife and killed him but at the end of the Day he was still King. I find it sad you dont believe that God can restore this man. But I’ve been over what my Bishop has done and I forgive for what he has done. Can you forgive him too?
Poor old David. He gets trotted out every time some pastor/bishop gets caught with his pants down.
If you’re going to drag David into this, go all the way.
Yes, David stayed on as king. But God let him know that his family was going to be hosed (that’s dysfunction on steroids) from then on. And look what happened: His son tried to kill him, his other son raped his sister. The half brother killed the rapist, the heir apparent had all of his brothers killed, and then things got bad. David didn’t escape punishment. And unfortunately neither did his family.
Please don’t use Davis as an example. He is more a warning of the price of screwing around with God than an example of mindless grace.
Remember, it’s not a matter of forgiving the man. I hope the women he apparently assaulted will forgive him. If he had offended me, I think I would forgive him. But would you hire a convicted bank robber as a teller just because you have forgiven him? Would you hire a pedaphile who has served his time as a staff member in your after school care facilities?
One there is no such thing as mindless (you know that already) I used the story of David becuase he did sin , and receive punishment but was redeemed back by God himself. My Bishop has sinned, he is receiving punsihment (been in Jail since Aug 05) but by faith I believe can be redeem (will it happen is left to be seen) I understand yo