Thanks to JTRAIN for this information. Rather than me plagiarizing shamelessly, I am providing a link to the site. It’s…interesting. Take a look here or just click on the photo of Creflo and his arm candy.
Take a look, shake your head, and pray for the victims.
As I look at the workings of World Changers, it takes on more and more of the feel of a multi-level marketing organization. The only difference is there are only two levels, Creflo and the victims.
Take a look at a graphic from one of the New York meetings:
I’ve participated in a coupleof multi-level organizations. Some of the characteristics they all share are:
Bring in new people Attend special meetings on a regular basis Buy the products Read the monthly, weekly, daily propaganda sheets Keep talking to us so we can keep you fired up
Creflo doesn’t miss a step. He has all of that covered smoothly and unobstrusively, as you would expect.
Do pray for this man. Pray that God would actually shed the light of the Gospel in his heart. Pray too that the people blinded by his naked appeal to greed would also see the light of the truth in Jesus Christ.
But most of all - stay as far away from him as you possibley can.
At first I was going to ask why you called Cref’s wife “arm candy”. Then I clicked the link as was reminded that her name is Taffi. LOL, good one Melvin.
I guess you are either a woman with no man “husband” or you are just another ignorant disresptful male. How can you go along with the disrespect of someone’s wife?
Let’s see. Taffi is very visible in the World Changers activities. She teaches men and women. She supports the WoF foolishness promoted by the organization, she supports the heresies of Jesus having to suffer in hell for our sins, of Jesus being the first born again man, along with the rest of the WoF silliness that comes out of that an other organizations. By her own admission, she is the co-pastor of their churches in Atlanta and New York (click here) Hmm. I guess you’re right. If I am going to respect her, I should treat her the same as I do her husband. She’s not arm-candy. She’s a pimpette. And still not a very smooth one at this stage of her pimpery.
Better?
By the way, unless Czarina has gender issues in coming up with a internet name, it should be fairly obvious that Czarina is a woman.
What does that have to do with you disrespecting his wife? Your rude and stupid!
(MN: Nothing like a well reasoned argument that sticks with the issues. It’s interesting that you are so steamed because I called Taffi arm-candy. In fact, you seem more upset about that than me calling her a pimpette. Don’t you understand that if given the chance they are completely disrespecting you, your husband (I’m assuming you are a woman), your children, and anyone who has a desire to follow Christ in truth? )
I have to say this is in response to the truthoggod link I would not compare it to this sight, totally different spirit opressive and harsh. Why u all look like the nation?..Farakhanish!!!
Mr. M Jones i’m quite new to your site and am very impressed with the information that the Lord has allowed for you to come across regarding these false prophets. Here is one preacher that speaks against these ’so-called’ preachers as well. http://www.truthofgod.com . very, very interesting.
shalom!
Truthseeker, what’s up with your link to this Oneness stuff?
TJM i don’t understand your question. I suppose your concern is whether or not this man is of the Trinitarian belief, which he is not. I am not either. But please clarify, i don’t want to make any assumptions.
Peace!
This is the e-mail I sent to the oneness site in response to one of the many errors that is being preached from that pulpit.
The doctrine of the trinity is a biblical doctrine in spite of what is being preached by certain churches and denominations.There are 3 persons in the godhead. In Genesis 1:26 God says “26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness” Who was God talking to since nowhere in the bible does it mention anyone creating man but God yet he used plural words like “us” and “our”.
This fact cannot be denied if the one who denies this is to be considered truthful. The word used to translate God in the OT is elohim which is plural which plural in substance yet one in unity. Yachid is singular and is a word used for one in the singular yet in Deut 6:4 Echad which is plural in substance and one in unity is used.
n Isaiah 6:8 God says “Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.”
In John 14:10Jesus says”Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
Notice Christ made a clear distinction between the personhood of himself and the father and in verse 16 “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.”
Here we have yet another distinction between Christ and the Holy Spirit.There is not one scripture taken in it’s biblical context will support the notion that these were mere offices of Jesus. 1 John 5:7 brings it home as an office cannot bear record yet For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. I pray that God will open your hearts to the truth in this matter because to deny the trinity is to deny the biblical God which in fact is not God at all.
I pray that you will see the truth in the matter of the godhead and realize that much of the stuff posted on that site is pure heresy. We are saved by grace through faith and faith alone. Baptism is a response to the reception of salvation and to teach or preach that water baptism save denies the sufficiency of the cross.
First off in reference to salvation. I’m in full agreement with you. I don’t believe that baptism saves you, but we are only saved by God’s grace. I do believe that baptism is a commandment given by God, but is symbolic of the the grave and being resurrected with with Jesus. That is why they call it a watery grave…. But again yes, you are correct.
Brother Mike, do you believe that there are three separte beings that are God in heaven?
1. the father
2. the son
3. the holy spirit
How can There be three separate beings but be one being at the same time?
When you refer to the book of Genesis where God said let us make man in “our” image and “our” likeness, then let us evaluate what God made when he created Adam. He gave man a mind intellect, Physical body, and a soul life force. These three basic entities made up one man. When you look at your self in the mirror you don’t see three persons, but one individual.
In the book of Isaiah 44:24 “Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself.
And eariler in the Chapter he also tells us in Isaiah 44:6-8 “Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, [there is] no God; I know not any.”
And again in Isaiah 9:6 which bring it home, the spirit reveals a great mystery. “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.” Now my question is who is why does the child hold the title of “Everlasting FATHER, COUNSELER, PRINCE of Peace”? How do we explain that?
And lastly (for now), bare in mind the dialog between Jesus and Phillip. John 14:8-9 “Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Now if Jesus wasn’t the Father why would he speak like this? Now to give a brief explaination, the flesh that God dwelt in was not GOD, for the bible tells us that God is spirit. Therefore God made a temporary temple or body to dwell in to walk amoung man on earth to serve as an example but most importantly to use that body as final sacrifice for sin. If the flesh was God, well does God get hungry, does God get tempted with evil? Why would God say “I do nothing of myself”? Think about it. Why would Jesus say I come in my father’s NAME.. NAME, NAME, NAME… What NAME is that, and don’t say the name is God, because GOD is a title. The NAME that he came in was Jesus (God our Salvation). If you aren’t convinced, please read over Matthew 28:19 (the great commission): “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”. Again, what name are we baptized in? I think this is a great discussion, if need be i will elaborate.
Peace be unto you!!
(MN: Mike/Truthteller - We’re not going to chase this rabbit much further. There are several other posts with several back and forths on the Trinity. Truthteller is convinced the concept of the Trinity is false. Worse than that, he doesn’t have a good understanding of the Trinity to begin with [Thus the strawman about three beings]. Mike, you get one more response, and truthteller gets one more. After that, the subject is closed. Any questions (other than the usual “why are you afraid, yada, yada, yada?”)? )
Excuse MN: First off, i will comply and not post anymore about that particular subject, please forgive me. I’m certain, this has been discussed many times over, and its like beating a dead horse. Furthermore, my question about there being 3 separate beings in heaven stems from conversations that i’ve had with others that claim to believe in the Trinity. Basically was asking for Mike’s perspective, whether he believes that or not. I come with no personal bias, but on my end it doesn’t make sense, and i need a throurgh explaination, as I will try to give and explaination of what i believe. Anyhow i will stop here and move on from that debate.
Peace.
(MN: No porblem. I guess my point is that Trinitarian doctrine does say their are three beings. Rather there are three persons, coequal, each is God. But not three separate beings, be they angels, or something else. ANd all three persons work as one.
Sorry. I didn’t mean to be quite so abrupt. I just haven’t quite recovered from William. Bu the way, I still owe an explanation to another reader. Now that I have more time, I think I can get the email out. I will include you if you like. )
yes please include me.
Thank you!
Melvin, you never know these days with so much down-low going on!
If you weren’t so focused on trying to “guess” who I am, you would have figured out that I am a woman with a name ‘Czarina’.
Also, I didn’t take it as a disrespectful phrase once I looked at the entire picture. Maybe my sense of humor is different from yours, but like God, I really don’t care about mans ego.
I guess I don’t have to guess that you don’t have a man either!
Nope, you most certainly don’t.
And….
While others were spreading legs, I was spreading the book, and God has kept me. I’m still a virgin, are you?
No, I have been married for 7 years now to the father of my two children, ages 4 and 2. You do the math. That was not the point I was getting at. I was stating that if you were married you would understand why I feel the way I do.
Bad one Melvin! Her name is Taffi. “Arm candy” so not funny!
To Melvin or IC:
I am trying to understand why is it when the wives and usually they are co-pastors of the pastor are being exposed for the very mess they and their husbands are doing, there seems to be such a big uproar about these women as if they’re exempt from exposition. Didn’t the bible say that how can two come together unless they agree? Also, these women are not allowed to preach nor teach in the church and they do.
When I go after pimps like Medina S. Pullings, look at the litany of angry responses. And it usually comes from women. Women who obviously feel the secular women’s liberation movement applies to scripture. They fight tooth and nail to cover for these women, because they feel that all women must be defended.
It goes like this, here is the order of angry responses from greatest to least when it comes to exposing pimps:
1 - Black Women - Any Black lady pimp exposed results in the greatest backlash. Must have something to do with that “double minority” defense thing or something…
2 - Black Men - As we often see here.
3 - White Women - Like the Paula White defenders, they’re a little less responsive than defenders of Black male pimps.
4 - White Men - The good old boy defense league does not work like it used to
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5 - Men who are not White or Black - Exposing Benny Hinn will get you the least angry responses. The false christ Arab man named Hinn has fans who are too busy awaiting his next broadcast to try and cover for his mess.
To IC:
I would have to agree with you that ole Ms. Anthony played a big part in our attitudes, to the point that pride kicks in and overrides scripture. I’ve seen the 40 angry responses you’ve received on the Medina S. Pullings blog and I wouldn’t be surprised if you were stressed out. They can debate you till the cows come home, but it doesn’t mitigate what the Holy Ghost put in the true men of God to say.