I went out to the construction site to take a look at the new worship center John Jenkins is erecting in Kettering. It’s really starting to shape up. It appears to be a nice roomy place. In fact, unlike Evangel Temple’s giant mushroom across the street from Six Flags, it actually looks kind of tasteful. Not exactly Baptist, so to speak, but tasteful. Click on the image to see a larger picture.
My only concern is that once he moves into the new building, once he “proves” himself to the Big Dogs, the congregation is going to pay the price as he moves them further and further into Word of Faith heresies and incidental materialism. As I said in a comment: I fear it is going to be a place of empty preaching and emptier people.
Has Pastor Jenkins told you he was moving towards WoF, or is that what you believe? You don’t think that it’s a little creepy for you to be going around the new location with camera and pen in hand? What if somebody recognizes you and knows of your plot to destroy FBCG? I mean, deep down inside, you have a little envy because I would not care if it was not my church or my salvation that, according to you, is in for a ride. Just giving my opinion.
Pastor Jenkins has told you over and over again, by his actions, that he is moving toward WoF teachings.
He invites people in with ties to WoF organizations, he speaks at WoF outlets. He has taken on as mentor a man who has tight dealings with WoF people and organizations.
He has no problem associating with Ken Copeland, the don of WoF. But the list goes on.
Rather than reacting to what is being said about your pastor, investigate. It’s not a sin to question the direction John is taking you. But it’s kind of silly to stick your head in the sand and deny that anything is going on.
Given what John has to anwer for at the judgment seat, I cannot be the least bit envious of him. It’s almost a classic case of gaining everything here in this world and having it all get burned up on the other side.
I do like your flair for drama, though: destroying FBCG. Please tell me what I am doing to destroy FBCG. I am only relaying to you over the website the stuff John does out in the open. He advertises the speakers, his itenerary, and his teachings. Why am I destroying him by drawing people’s attention to them? Have I lied about anything I have said? If so, please tell me what my lie was.
First of all, I asked you did Pastor Jenkins tell you he was moving towards WoF. I attend every Sunday, and I have never heard him mention that. You answered saying, his actions, his actions!!!!! So what if he has had a few people speak at the church, that doesn’t mean he is taking that route! Secondly, take your message to the church itself. Get yourself a big microphone and broadcast your message at FBCG. I mean, you sit behind a computer and talk but I never see you outside of FBCG or other churches talking. If God has called you to do this, then you should have no fear, remember, this is a free country. See, God hasn’t called you to do this. Your such a big man behind a computer. I mean no one knows where you worship, your pastors name, or your denomination. Why all the secrets? I attend FBCG, see no secrets involved. (Melvin’s Note: And your name is…?) So what that Pastor advertises his itinerary, lots of Pastors do that. Hello, its purpose is to inform! Melvin, you always talk about the judgement seat, where are you going when the judgement comes? Stop hiding and be a real man and bring it on since you know it all! Make your voice heard!!!!! Do your thing!!!! if you were called, which I don’t think you were!
Just to make sure there is no misunderstanding, I mentioned the itenerary to make it clear that I am addressing only information that he has given to the public. And in that information there are visits to WoF churches like the one in Florida, formerly pastored by Benny “There’s Nine of Them” Hinn and now by a pimp by the name of Brown. How can I destroy FBCG if all I am doing is repeating what he has already put out there?
To member
I can understand your resentment toward Melvin in regards to your pastor. It seems that maybe he is picking on your pastor. But I agree with Melvin, I see nothing that he has done wrong. But, you know what now that I think about it, I do see what he has done wrong. He has exposed these ministries that are preaching doctrine that is not in agreement with the bible and exposed ministries that are after people’s money.
Of course, in todays soceity that is wrong because WE SURELY CANNOT OFFEND ANYONE OR STEP ON TOES BY TELLING THE TRUTH. Even though it is the truth of God’s Word that will free men from sin. I am still waiting to meet the first person who got saved by sowing a $1000 seed to TBN.
Now back to the truth. My question to Pastor Jenkins would be this. How can you associate with men and women who teach such things as We are little gods(Copeland and Dollar) , Oneness (Jakes), Jesus was the biggest failure(Copeland) and the list go on and on. Next time you talk to your pastor, Ask him these questions. Oh by the way, how can you get mad because someone simply pointed out what your pastor has been doing when it is public knowledge?
terry
Terry, the truth of God’s word must be applied before one can be set free.
Food for Thought: Multi-million dollar facilities aren’t the essence of building God’s Kingdom.
“….Where the Spirit of Lord is there’s liberty.” Our lives should be transformed in a way that reflects His glory. (2 Corinthians 3:17-18)
Physical buildings don’t make a “church”, and Christ isn’t returning for any type of church. (Ephesians 5:25-27)……Belief alone doesn’t make a Christian (James 2)……Carrying a bible doesn’t make a saint (John 15:5, 1 John 2:6, 2 Corinthians 5:17)……A one time confession doesn’t keep you “in Christ”. (John 15:6, 15:10, 1 John 2:3-5, 2:17, 2:24, 1 John 3:6-7, 3:24)……A license doesn’t make a preacher. (Romans 10:15a)……A minister’s title doesn’t make one a true man of God. (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)……It’s wrong to support those who don’t keep and teach the doctrine of Christ. (2 John 1:9-11)
Wickedness can’t stay inside a church IF the Spirit of God is ruling there. That brings me to my questions: What spirit is dwelling inside African American churches like FBCG?
They’ve become nonchalant about sin including homosexuality. What type of Pastor allows homosexuals to do music or any other ministry in their church? Does the Bible condone this? Also, what type of minister becomes friends with a homosexual? What does this say to the outside world? (Let your answers be word based.) Thanks.
To just Curious
I am curious about what you mean in your post that is addressed to me
you wrote:
2006-04-21 11:12:57
I am totally against homosexuality and all the other things you described and if you read earlier post of mine you will see that. Maybe a misunderstanding of what I wrote please clarify your post and explain what you are trying to say.
Terry
Relax Terry! I’m not saying anything other than what was stated.
I had one short comment regarding only one of your statements. The other statements were just additional comments not relating to your post.
I’m not familiar with your former postings because I’m not a weekly reader of this site. Neither do I read every post.
Hey Terry, I appreciate your concern.
You said I didn’t “need to apologize”. My friends said the same. Yet, I felt God leading me to do that. I confess that I’ve struggled with my “flesh” since then.
Don’t misunderstand: It’s not so much an issue of being wrong when speaking the truth. In my case, the issue that made it wrong was my motives. My heart wasn’t right and my words were too abrupt. That’s the ONLY thing that caused the need for apology.
Indeed, I still must apologize IF I offended anyone with my remarks made on this website. It’s not going to be easy, but I’ll try to “repent”.
Thanks for caring.
What saith the scriptures?
“And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.” Romans 12:2
“Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,” Philippians 2:5
If you have the “mind of Christ”, you obey God and seek perfection. Matthew 5:48, 2 Corinthians 7:1,
If you have the “mind of Christ”, you’re concerned about the things that concern God.
If you have the “mind of Christ”, you hate the things God hates.
If you have the “mind of Christ”, you grieve over the things that would grieve God.
If a leader had the “mind of Christ”, they would reprove sin instead of lying, covering up truth, and compromising God’s word.
When you don’t have the “mind of Christ”, having homosexuals in the church is no big deal. You’re no better off than the “reprobates” mentioned in Romans 1:27-33 That’s why you see others as being “too spiritual”. You can’t handle the TRUTH.
Concerning this comment:
When you don’t have the “mind of Christ”, having homosexuals in the church is no big deal
So do you ban them from the church to deal with their “issues” in the world? Generally speaking, does sin mean that someone cannot be effectively ministered to?
Could the man who was knocking boots with his step-mom be effectively ministered to? (1 Corinthians, Chapter 5)
If a person professes to be a Christian, and lives in open sin, should other believers fellowship with him (or her)? The important part here is the idea of fellowship. And that hinges on whether or not a person professes Christianity.
What about the first portion of my question, please?
You ban the person from the church so the world is not brought into the church. This is the very place where Paul talks about a little leaven leavening the whole lump 1 Cor 5:6). You’re not doing the church or the homosexual/adulterer/theif/liar/glutton/fornicator any good to welcome them as though they are doing no wrong.
Ban the practicing homosexual, the fornicator, etc. Understand, the church organization, the Body, is not there to make people who profess Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior yet are openly rebellious comfortable. The church organization should and must exercise discipline over those who profess Christ. And sometimes that discipline includes refusing fellowship.
The Body, when it meets together, is not there to minister to the unsaved. That is the responsibility of the individual Christian, not the church organization.
The hard part of church discipline is to insist on a standard of behavior if you claim Christ and you wish to fellowship with those in the Body.
Read 1 Corinthians.
Does this mean the person is forever rejected? Not at all. Once the man turned away from his sin, he was welcomed back into the fold. But he had to turn away from living with his momma.
Can I care for the sinner? Certainly. But fellowship with him as if he is a Christian? No.
Re: Backslidders
“All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.” 1 John 5:17
Throughout the New Testament, Paul admonished Christian churches about sin and its consequences. James and others addressed Christian sinners inside the church, also. James 1:19-21, James 4:7-9 Hence, we know “sinners” exist inside the church.
Backslidders are not always outside of the church. They can be attending church, but living a life of sin. ie, fornication, homosexuality, etc.
“..that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.” James 5:20
Prior to repentance, his soul is dead. After his repentance, he’s restored.
(MN: But Amen, if his soul is dead, then he is not a Christian. In fact, if his soul is dead he doesn’t exist. Remember, the Bible tells us we are dead in our sins before we accept Jesus Christ. Dead men can’t repent. )
Melvin you caused me to have to repent.
I have to repent from laughing at your first question in your 2006-04-25 08:56:07 posting.
On a serious note, people who can’t see and act on God’s word must be “spiritually blind”. We must pray that God delivers them from their blindness.
Being friends with a homosexual in church is not helping them. As 1 Corinthians 5 reveals, it only creates additional sin among the congregation. S****** has already had sexual affairs with both single and married men in the church.
If anyone can’t see the dangers and consequences of “homosexuals inside the church”, somethings seriously wrong with them spiritually.
I apologize if I offended anyone with these statements of TRUTH.
Repentance
I agre with you comments except for one. I agree with the apology. Please don’t apolize for telling the truth especially in area that many christians are spinless when come to addressing this issue. Sissys and dites as I call or homosexuality is a major problem in the church and gospel music. What gets me though is all these so called Christians that get upset when you address the issue of homosexuality pertaining to church.
Terry, you’re absolutely right.
We see who’s full of talk vs. godliness. How can they call themselves “Christians”?
That homosexual demon has dominated the gospel music industry for decades. Nowadays, anyone who wants to play music inside the church should undergo a background check!
Prosperity vs. Godliness
Prosperity and financial blessings are not a sign of godliness. Testimonies of blessings are not an indication of godliness nor the spirit of God dwelling in a ministry. God’s priorities are the things pertaining to one’s soul. That’s why He said, “I pray that you may prosper in all things and be in health, just as your soul prospers”. 3 John 1:2 If you’re living in sin, your soul is not prospering.
When the spirit of God reigns in a ministry, the testimonies will be more relevant to the things that are important to GOD. It’s easy to get a testimony on material blessings, but rarely will you hear testimonies about sin-deliverance. God’s standards for a church are more a long the lines of this:
Based on the size of your congregation, what percentage of them have been converted? Acts 3:19
Based on the size of your congregation, what percentage of them have been delivered from lying, envying, gossiping, hatred, smoking, worldliness, etc.? Ephesians 4:25, Galatians 5:19-21, Romans 12:2, Titus 2:12
What percentage of your single members have been delivered from lust, fornication, and masturbation? Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:3-5, Colossians 3:5
What percentage of your male members have been delivered from homosexuality and bi-sexuality? 1 Corinthians 6:13b, 1 Corinthians 6:18, 1 Corinthians 10:8, Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:3-5, Jude 1:7
What percentage of your married members have been delivered from adultery? Matthew 5:27, Galatians 5:19-21, James 2:11
At FBCG, the testimonies we hear are never along these lines. The world’s standards may be met, but not God’s standards. You can shout until Jesus comes and still be left behind.
“…seek to live a clean and holy life, for those who are not holy will NOT see the Lord.” Hebrews 12:14 NLT
“that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.” Ephesians 5:27 NKJV
Subject: The Spirit
I’m reminded of 1 Samuel 15:23: “For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD,….”
Member,
Let me ask you, If Melvin stood infront of First Baptist and screamed through a bull horn, would you really be listening? or would you be laughing? I personally think that the website is much more effective. Besides, I don’t think that it is valid to say that Melvin is hiding, because he uses his real name and all of the senior staff at FBCG know who he is. So there really isn’t any anonymity. Test it, walk up to John on Sunday and ask him if he knows Melvin and his issues with him. He’ll tell you that he knows who he is and he knows his issue with his decisions.
Why would you suggest Melvin is envious? jus curious.
You people are so excitable. And when you get angry you don’t make a lick of sense. It’s almost funny except for the fact that you are probably convinced that the indignation you feel is righteous rather than misguided.
Honesty isn’t always pain-free………
The bible declares: “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.” Ephesians 5:11 NKJV Therefore, there’s nothing wrong with exposing sin and errors of the church.
If my “motives” aren’t right, that can be a sin. Recently, I fell short in that area. I exposed all truths, but my motives were ungodly. My heart was tainted with bitterness. As a born again Christian, I had become defiled by bitterness. (Hebrews 12:15) I acted in the flesh. Now I must repent.
I hereby apologize for offending anyone, especially FBCG members, with recent comments on this site. Not that I said anything that was not true. I was outside of God’s will because of my motives.
Again, I’m sorry for offending you with my harsh comments. God is still working on me, also.
I’ll miss the country-like setting of Kettering by the Park.
What is that supposed to mean?
It means the atmosphere (no build-up, etc.) will be destroyed once the worship center is built and all the traffic starts up.
Thanks, Bro., for the clarification. That area had already lost its “country-ness” out there when the built those McMansions all around (big houses that all look the same); the church only adds to the new “skyline.” It is no longer rural; just like another large church, amusement park, and more McMansions on Central Avenue has added to the sub-urban sprawl.
Are you saying that you are leaving the church or have already left? If you have, let see, estimate 9,000 members minus 1 = 8,999. No harm done!
Anon,
Jesus left the 99 sheep to go after the one stray…
Great point Damagoh!!!
One thing professed “Christians” seem to forget is the fact that numbers mean nothing esp. if the blind lead the blind, for they both will fall into a ditch (Matthew 15:10-20). The main thing that should be stressed/questioned is the Word of God and His truth concerning these matters that are at hand–not mans agendas that he calls “visions” but the will of the Father who is in Heaven. For the things done in the name of our Lord Jesus mean nothing if they are done outside of the will of God (Father).
Big buildings/churches, numerous amounts of people, flashy dress, prosperity, etc. never proves that the Spirit of God is with a person–NEVER!!!–just look at the many cults there are from time past to the time that is present. (Matthew 7:13-23 and 8:18-22) Everyone always has something to say reproachfully about this website and what ever Melvin believes the Lord may have him do, esp. when it comes to what he chooses to post on this site to inform/warn other believers of false ministers and false teachings–yet, I have not seen anyone that has had a complaint or an offense, present their differences through accurately quoting and referencing scripture to support why they believe what they believe or just why they may be against such a website.(I mean, other than one presenting their own opinions of what “they feel” Melvin should be doing with his life or this website or just the fact that their Pastor or favorite Minister maybe posted on it).
There’s always an immature, smart (name calling) and condescending response with a very negative spirit/attitude. This is not of the Spirit of God–and many still come to thise site (not that they can’t) to display their own opinions rather than lifting up the word of God and trying with a teachable and loving heart, to undertand, BY SCRIPTURE, the good work that is being done through this website and it’s benefit to many Christians who actually appreciate the work the Lord is doing here.
Yet, they call themselves “Christians”? And still they speak in vain with the words of THIS world and not the mind of Christ. Even the Bereans acted more noble than these (Acts 17:11). Even the writers of the New Testament Letters warned us of the Apostates that were to come and even mentioned some by name (Diotrephes and Demas, for example) who had already departed from the true faith in their own day and encouraged their readers to beware of such people and not to even so much as fellowship with them.
Can you, who disagree, not see just by reading the scriptures for yourself, that they early Church did this very thing also (warning each other of Apostates/False teachers/Anti-Christs)?? (Romans 16:17+18, 1Cor 5:9-13, Phillipians 3:17-21, 1John 2:18-21, 2John 1:9-11) Beloved, we must remember to always be Christ-Centered! Remembering never to lift a man and his ways above Christ and the word of God. Christ continuously, in the Gospels, pulled the Jewish leaders cards and pointed out each party’s faults and hypocrisies (Matthew 23:1-36).
We must always seek the truth, and as Jesus said,..”the truth will make you free”. We will be free from being slaves to sin, and therefore free that we may truly see and know the Lord (Truth) in all His fullness!!! We who love the truth must never be ashamed to proclaim it-following in the footsteps of Christ! But you have to want to know the truth–with NO COMPROMISE……otherwise you will never understand, and you will never see….
***Only in the name of Christ Jesus~
***Much love to the Saints who don’t bring shame to His name!!!***
Quote from Tequlia:
There’s always an immature, smart (name calling) and condescending response with a very negative spirit/attitude
This can be said for both sides of the discussion, not just of those who disagree. Just because one may have initiated the “immature” comment and the other responded in a “sarcastic” manner, does not make one better than the other (IMO, not that this is what you are saying, Tequila). I’m not pointing the finger at any one particular person or comment (as that would put me in the same category, I assume). But lately, the comments have become more….hmmmm…what’s the word I’m looking for. Maybe abrasive. Somewhere I was thinking that the visitors to the site were grown enough to have intelligent discussion (yes, where intelligent is relative). I’m here to learn something. Whether I agree with everything is a different story, but it is a learning opportunity nonetheless. I know this is a passionate subject to many and rightfully so, but some of the interchanges have been out of hand. For someone new to the site, it may be difficult to find some of the real issues amongst the other stuff from the comments (Just a thought…). But then again, I guess that’s why a few have been banned from making comment.
Tweet,
There are times when I guess I can be abrasive, but let me explain. First of all, some of us who are ministers or lay leaders or even just serious students of the word, have made many of the same arguments over and over and over. I have seen Melvin explain the “true meaning” of this website to at least 20 people. I myself have asked at least five folks, who defend WoF teachers, about the Christians in China and Sudan, and why they are not prosporous. When you get the upper hand in a debate, which is actually pretty easy if you know the Word of God, folks feel like their back is against the wall and start to get personal. Think about it, Tweet. Many of the “oneness” people have been taught that doctrine by mothers, fathers, and grandmothers. We are then showing them what the bible says, and the name-calling begins. I have been called a “ho”, the “False Prophet” , hater, Melvinite, and Associate Pastor of the Hater church, as well as a heretic. Heck, some folks think I am not saved if I haven’t “been down in the Name.” So if I infuse a little humor in my responses, and even get “abrasive,” give me a little leeway. By the way, if pimps and wolves are devouring the flock of God, isn’t it “high time for us to awake out of slumber”? (Rom. 13:11) This is a war for the soul of the church, so it’s going to be a little nasty sometimes. See the post called “Smashmouth apologetics.”
Point well taken…I can respect what you have said. Maybe I just have a different approach in some respects (in reference to my comment about “abrasiveness). But my different perspective is what makes people, people I guess…Always an element of differientiation and uniqueness. If you feel that the approach is effective in achieving your end result, then by all means…continue.
Peace…;-)
Mr/Ms. Anonymous:
Would you mind giving the readers some clarity. What do you mean by “no harm done”? Is that to be taken as you don’t care?
If God lead the person to another church, that’s fine. Yet if that person was upset and totally left the church, that’s not okay.
What is it with all of these ‘brave’ anonymous and no-name folks who post in response ?
member - 1 Thess. 5:21 says that believers are to diligently test all things and hold on to (grab ahold of) that which is tested and pure. Matthew 7 says ‘by their fruits you will know them’. The ‘fruit’ that Melvin’s examining here are indeed the actions of your pastor. A man can claim all he wants that he’s not a rapist or doesn’t have a porn problem, but if he is constantly leering at women and you find porn on his home computer and he leaves out late at night to return with ripped clothing, blood and ’stains’ on his personage, his actions show something other than the words of his mouth.
Open your Bible and read. Remember Paul’s warning to the elders of the church in Acts 20 - savage wolves would arise from inside of the church and not spare the flock. No false prophet (aside from Carlton Pearson) comes out directly and says ‘I’m a false prophet’.
So yes, you’re enjoying your time at FBCG and wouldn’t want to hear anything negative about your place of worship, but seriously - if what Melvin has said is true (and I believe it is), don’t waste time arguing back and forth with him on an internet website - go investigate for yourself. Measure what is taught by the men your pastor associates with and says it’s okay for you all to give money to (i.e.- Copeland) with what the Bible actually says.
If it falls short, then you (if you are a believer) should be the one stalk of wheat that leaves the other 8,999 tares behind. Anyone can build a church membership up off of positive messages and purpose-driven-seeker-sensitive drivel. But when the preaching is Biblical (John 6:65-66), not all of the ‘disciples’ (consumers) will want to hang around…. they’re no longer being entertained…..
If you’re interested in dialogue and actually searching for and coming to a conclusion on the truth of the matter, then discuss. Let’s reason together. If you’re only interested in continuing to listen to what makes you feel happy and stick your head in the sand (to quote Melvin), I’ll keep you in prayer that the scales may fall from your eyes on the issue.
This comment is for “member” and “anonymous.” My name is Scott Shanahan. I am not a baptist, I am just a Christian. To be honest I had never heard of your “pastor” or FBCG before I started coming to this site. I live on an island in the middle of the Pacific so State-side Baptist churches are pretty far off my radar (I stumbled on this website when researching the error of WoF).
I would like to ask member to read 2nd John 1:10,11. The immediate context of this verse is dealing with teachers who teach Christ did not come in the flesh (the WoF teachers teach some very out there things about Christ’s coming and this verse most certainly applies), the verse also has a greater Biblical context of dealing with any false teacher (which WoF preachers definitely are). In verse 11 it says that if you greet this person or bid him godspeed you are just as much a false teacher as he is. Read it again and think about it. Even if I am preaching the truth 100%, but I give a false teacher an open forum or aid in teaching his false doctrine I am just as much a false teacher as him. Now that you are armed with Scripture consider who your “pastor” is associating with and ask if he is bidding godspeed to false teachers.
My other comment is for anonymous. First, let me commend you on your bravery for posting as “anonymous.” (read that last sentence with heavy sarcasm). Second, are you out of your mind? Have you ever read a single Scripture in the New Testament? If you believe that your “pastor” and your “church” is teaching the truth then you should be moved to tears by the thought of one person leaving. I cannot believe a person would actually say “no great loss” about another person leaving what they believe is the truth.
Amen!!
Hey Tequila/D.O.T.L.G.-B.P.,
You’re so on point. There’s nothing I say outside, “Amen. Keep boldly speaking the truth”.
To be somewhat judgmental, I suspect it is because it’s not about the truth. It’s about the churh’s status. Thus, one person leaving wouldn’t hurt that status. It goes back to seeking the approval of men rather than the approval of God (John 12:43). And as long as people can say “my church has five thousand members,” then they are happy.
If you look at the web page for Mrs. Peebles, and her advertisement for the coming three ring circus, you will notice she promotes the size of the speakers’ congregations.
If you look at the web page for Mrs. Peebles, and her advertisement for the coming three ring circus, you will notice she promotes the size of the speakers’ congregations. (Melvin)
It’s kind of interesting that some ministers do that, for I’ve been asked about the size of the congregation of the Church I attend by my old Church pastor and some of the members on more than one occasion…. it’s like I know, but I don’t fully know/understand, why people are so caught up on numbers??? It really proves nothing??!!!! Especially when most of those numbers leave the church buildings and become like the rest of the world or when the Pastors have so many numbers they don’t know their names or anything about them and they themselves can’t even be touched….. just interesting….
***Only in the name of Christ Jesus~
***Much love to the Saints who don’t bring shame to His name!!!***
Well have you ever heard a pastor say (when they make the invitation to discipleship) that if even one come forward to the altar that the angels in heaven rejoice? Well I’m sure it’s heart wrenching if one walks away from the truth.
Dear NCW, let’s see what the bible really says in its related text:
“Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Luke 15:10
So what you’ve been hearing pastors say is not true. Rejoicing is done only when one has a change of heart and desires to turn from his ways. That’s repentance.
Now, think about the altar calls you normally hear. How often do you hear the preacher mention “repent” or “repentance” during their bidding? Be honest.
In most cases, preachers aren’t soliciting people to the altar for repentance. Their approach and counseling doesn’t mention it. So you have folks joining churches and ministries without knowing they’re supposed to repent of their sins.
In the bible, the early church was not built in that manner. The gospel preached included repentance. Sinners were baptized and saved prior to joining a church. They were filled with the Holy Spirit also.
hello, everyone.
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To Anon,
Since you’re so impressed with numbers, here are a few for you to digest:
914 Members of The People’s Temple killed in mass suicide following false prophet Jim Jones
276 Number of children
70 Percentage who where poor and black
20 Number of people’s Temple members who got away
And while the tragedy in Guyana is an extreme example, it’s important to note that those people also thought they were hearing the truth. They were unable to escape because they exchanged the truth for a lie. What flavor of Kool-Aid are you drinking?
i invite anybody to come to 1st baptist and the man of GOD their self,and then you decide for your self if pastor jenkins preaching is unbiblical. he preaches straight from the bible. I dont know how many lies you have to to tell to become a liar but mr. melvin sure is lying on this one. I’ve been at 1st baptist for 4 years and have not once heard pastor speak untruth. melvin provide proof brother,cause I got plenty of it to proove my point.
you got any tapes or cd’s (I do), have you heard any sermons the last 4 years (I have) proof is in the pudding,put up or shut up
(MN: I won’t take up space with a separate posting. The proof is in the fact that he invited at least three Oneness preachers to preach at the church. He associates with Mr. Brown in Florida, a close associate with Benny (There’s Nine of Them) Hinn. He sells Benny Hinn books. HE has claimed to be God’s mouth piece. He argued with me for several months, presenting a weak attempt to prove that Jesus suffered in hell. I was there for seven years before he started preaching the heresies. Remember, Jehovah’s Witnesses preach straight from the Bible. So does the Calypso Louie (aka The Honorable Louis Farrakhan). Heck, Robert Schuller and Reverend Ike preach straight from the Bible.
As I said previously, I would rather sit at home and watch the RAVENS lose than waste my time at a John Jenkins sermon. It’s like watching a AAA ball player trying to make the big leagues. It was bothersome then, and when I see him on television it’s bothersome now. Sometimes it’s kind of funny, but then I realize he is destroying people like you. And the real kicker is that like that poor fellow in Houston, you’ve been getting bad food for so long, you don’t even know what good food looks like.
Questions: Did John Jenkins bring T. Dexter Jakes in to preach? Did he bring Charles Ellis (a Oneness bishop) in to speak? Did he bring Apostle Greenup in to speak? )
Lamar you really need to pray without ceasing………
Ask God to remove the scales from your eyes so you can distinguish between truth and deception of his doctrines.
THE BLACK MAN IS……. GOD….. THERE IS YOUR TRUTH
MELVIN JONES…. STOP HATING
(MN: So I guess I have a 9 to 5 job becuase I just want to keep myself amused. Why didn’t you tell me this earlier? I could have created a new reality and kicked back in my hammock. )
I’m god? Hold on, I’m about to see if I can speak things into existence……, hold on,…….here it comes!!,….wait for it, wait for it,….uhh, I got nothing.
You lied, I’m not god. *snaps fingers across body*
Please continue to pray for this lost soul!
If you are really interested please visit FBCG and see for yourself. I dont even think you should even entertain this ignorance!!
Evangel Cathedral is not a giant mushroom. It is the best church in Pg county. This is coming from a member, who attends the church every sunday. Feel free to stop by and enjoy the services.
Well I just want to say that Pastor Jenkins is a wonderful Pastor!!!! And he is a man of God. Mr. Melvin Jones, are you a Pastor? (MN: No. Read the “About Me” section.) I really would like to know. I think that this website is really childish and thats why I am on it cause I am a child…lol I think that you have to be a really bitter person to sit down at a computer and make up a website to bash other pastors and so forth. You know maybe every pastor has issue maybe they don’t but it is not your job or this website to make it known or call it out. You say you are just stating what is already know but you are really just bashing. I love God and thats why i go to church. We as a people have fell in love with “Church” that we don’t talk about God enough. You know what does this do for someone like you. All this does is give people from other churches the chance to bash on each other’s pastors and ministries. I mean do you ever think about how this will make one of the pastors look or even thier families. Maybe someone should go in your house and put everything you do on blast weither it be right or wrong. You act like you are walking around and your “Dodo” don’t stink. Well you know what maybe that is a good idea I think I will start a Melvin Jones talks too much website, or maybe even a “Melvin Jones a hoe to the pimps in the pulpit” website so it can show how these pimps pimp you and have your bitter soul typing about them on a website. (MN: Be my guest. But I doubt you’ll have enough non-personal material to work with. ) But now come to think about I am just a kid and I have much more important things to do than that so I guess I will just pray for you instead and maybe one day you can visit FBCG, Evangel Cathedral, Potters House,Jericho, and all those other houses of praise in which you continue to bash thier leaders. I pray that God judges you cause I can’t so…… Be blesse and please write back I would love to meet you in person as well maybe we could make that happen so I could get a better understanding of your bitterness. (MN: The only way I can write to you is if you give me your e-mail address. See the “Contact Me” link at the top of the page, right hand side. )
(MN: Most interesting. I haven’t seen a KJR* like this in some months. This is likely a person who typed in FBCGLENARDEN.COM rather than dot ORG and stumbled on the site. Please notice that the person addresses none of the issues and even goes on with the same stuff some of the earlier respondents used (e.g. he/she states the obvious fact that I am not perfect, accuses me of being bitter, accuses me of being judgmental, and all the usual “leave me alone, I don’t want to think” responses. )
*KJR = Knee Jerk Response
Melvin, I did not know you dug up dirt on any of these pastors. I would have guessed all the stuff you reported was already made public. Now Boog wants to come to your house and spy on you in an effort to dig up dirt on you. Well he/she did mention that he/she was a kid and I guess that’s what kids do.
Boog is free to tell you about anything I say or preach publically. If what the pimps publicly proclaim is dirt, then why does he/she stay at the church? If what they are saying is right, then why is he/she getting upset because I tell other people that they are saying these things?
It’s like Boog wants to have his/her cake and eat it too. But you can’t have it both ways.
Guess who’s back!!! Now, now, Mr.Jones I am a child… hahahahahaha funny right? But I do believe what I am saying is right. I don’t care if what I am saying is in line with what this board or bashsite is talking about this website is random so I choose to be random as well. Now Melvin if I can call you by your first name, now I understand that what you speak about is your opinion but as a child of God I don’t believe picking at pastors is Godly. I mean who made you the “General” of pastors. I think that everything is not made to be displayed. When you sit andput people on display as though they are wrong and call them out of their name, and post silly looking pictures of them up to emphasize your opinion then I think the game has gone too far. I though God was focus of the saints not bashing each other so everyone could see. Maybe the information you discuss is public already but your images and messages are not. Let people gather their own conclusion and stop being an author of confusion. If you ever got to meet any of the pastors you talk about I am sure that you would think that they are nice people and powerful men and women of God. And if you think different then keep it to yourself and let God do the rest. It is our duty to be like him and influence others to be like him and not to show people the flaws of others or the men or women that they follow. I was being just a little sarcastic in my previous message I am sorry I thought that this was a sarcastic website. I highly apologize for offending you by talking about the way you make a living. And I don’t want to be a “KJR” funny….. God Bless…
P.S. I will be confronting you very soon Melvin trust me don’t worry about the email address… holla at me peace….
i email this to Melvin already but guys check this out!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nc0E_0jWE9M
Calvin I watched the entire AIDS program. What a sad day in America…When will these leaders that have a platform step-up and really address the issues that we face?
AIDS is not a topic that the black church want to face, why?
It’s probably because “Don’t shack up” doesn’t bring in as much money as “Tell your neighbor ‘I’m the head and not the tail.’”
Did you notice Jesse tried to shift the blame to the president? Sad. What isn’t Bush blamed for?
Jessie, that’s another story…no bright lights no Jessie…
Thanks Calvin………….that was sobering indeed. I loved the preacher from that SMALL little church, with the folding chairs and the little pulpit.
“We have met the enemy………….and it is us.”
Contrast that with the multifaceted and enormous platform which Jakes occupies, and the odious statement he makes the the Bible doesn’t address AIDS.
Inexcusable……
Hey Melvin By the way what church do you attend?
Hey Boog. By the way, send me your e-mail address and I will send you the name of the church I attend.
Is there any reason why you don’t want to say your church name on here? Why do I need to give you my email address all you have to do is say it. Why can’t you say the name you say everything else about everyone else’s churches and pastors so what’s yours?
As I have said before - I don’t want to give even the appearance of trying to convince people to come to the church I attend. Additionally, I do not wish for the church I attend to become even close to the issue. Finally, the church I attend has nothing to do with the stuff being covered on the site. Even if I attend “Greater First Church of Beelzebub” what I am saying is not changed.
If you want the address I will send it via e-mail If you don’t want me to know what your e-mail address is, get on Yahoo and create one just for this.
Either way - send me your e-mail address and I will send you the Church name. Otherwise drop it. I’m not going to post another comment from you asking for it. You have my e-mail address. Use it.
I attended FBCG for the first time a few weeks ago and was immediately turned off when he began talking of his 4 houses that are all paid for and his plane that is paid for. I kept trying to figure out what the message was in those statements.
You people are positively goofy. Its not what’s being preached, insinuated or proposed at these mega churches that is the problem. It’s folk like you…who spend more time arguing about the problem verses BECOMING the solution that send people out of God’s house in droves. What is the purpose of becoming saved and sanctified if it’s not evident in your interpersonal dealings? All I hear is a bunch of small minded people pointing fingers and trying to convince themselves that they are “more saved” or “more scripturally aware” than the other.
Black People. I love you!
…but for real?
Get it together. Use this brain energy for educating the youth, funding black businesses, feeding the homeless, sheltering those in your family or close circle that are less fortunate.
Its a good thing I love the Lord IN SPITE OF the way many of his followers act.
Camille..lol.. how do you educate people without proclaiming the truth and exposing error. Once again, people have the wrong impression of what loving people is about. And a great deal of it has to do with teaching.
As others have noted. It is teaching and doctrine that separates Christians from Jews and Muslims from Hindus. ITS TEACHING!! You critisize folk for speaking against these church Celebs for the lies they teach. Yet, you over look the warning in scriptures that outline the judgement of such false prophets and their followers.
Lastly, how is it that we are suppose to be the so called “Solution” if we aren’t being interactive and proac