I love visual aids when I teach. And Carlton Pearson is a spectacular visual aid I can use to explain at least one of the subtleties of this site. And yes, smash-mouth can have its subtleties.
As you may know, Carlton Pearson is a former Word of Faith (WoF) preacher out of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. He was tightly associated with all the WoF Big Dogs in OK City. Then, for some reason I can’t judge, he got stuck on claiming that everybody is going to end up in heaven sooner or later. His argument goes something like this:
- God loves the world and gave His son to die for the world
- Jesus died for the world
- Since Jesus died for the world, then the whole world is saved
- You don’t have to be a Christian to be saved
- You can even be a murderer and an adulterer and you will still end up with God in heaven
I’ve posted a tri-fold pamphlet out there for you to take a look at at your leisure. You can right-click here and download it.
Is this man a pimp? I say no, he is not. He doesn’t hide what he teaches. He recognizes that he is not a part even of the totally outrageous fgroup of olks like Copeland, Dollar and others. Even they have had to back away from him. He lost his church when people left there in droves. He has taken a huge hit insisting on teaching what even the simple-minded of Christians would see as false and pretty much the antithesis of Christianity. I would say he is not a pimp.
He is a heretic. He is a principled heretic, but he is a heretic nonetheless.
The guy on the right, on the other hand, is a pimp. He has bad doctrine, but he uses the faulty faith to take money from people, to prosper at the expense of those who would believe him.
Pearson might prosper, but it will be as one clearly denying the basics of Christianity. Hinn, on the other hand, will not deny the basics. He may add a whopper here or there, things which may be equally heretical, but he promotes those ideas, those doctrine as a way of getting money out of the beliver. He takes advantage of those who hold to sound doctrine. He pesents himself as a Bible believing Christian, presenting Jesus as the only way. Yet his primary objective appears to be to get money out of the professed believer.
Pimp vs heretic. Which is worse? Both deceive the would be believer. Both seem to indicate a lack of salvation on the part of the perpetrator. Both should be given as wide a berth as possible. I guess it comes down to this: which is worse, the con artist or the pick pocket?
Is it just me, or does dude (Pearson) do his eyebrows? LOL!
That’s a tough question. On the one hand, Paul rejoiced that the Gospel was preached out of envy, so if a pimp can manage to squeeze something out that is even Gospel- Lite, then I guess an argument could be made in favor of the pimp. Of course, most pimps- especially the King Pimp Benny himself- don’t even present a half-Gospel 99.99999% of the time, and he is a wolf straight from John 10.
Carlton…the humanity in me says, ‘Hey, at least the guy has scruples.’ However, I’m not sure I could back up my assertions Biblically. My best answer would be that they both spend eternity attempting to stand up under the wrath of God, failing miserably.
By the way, I have to admit that both of these guys are quite creepy looking.
Heretics and Pimps. By the way…what is the deal with Benny’s Wardrobe??
No doubt the pimp is worse! And Hinn is among the top 10 worse pimps of all.
well at least Pearson is upfront with his heresy and he’s not masquerading himself as having tradtionalist views. Benny is both a heretic and a pimp.
One thing they do have in common is they both need to go back to foundation Bible classes. I was asking myself just the other day if no ones reads their bible anymore, then i got my answer.
I saw Jakes preach a whole message without any real Biblical references. sure his bible was opened on the altar (on what page i dont know) but i figure he was so busy jumping around he never got around to it.
The funny thing was there were so many people making notes in the congregation. i was baffled as to what they were writing cause he really wasn’t saying much.
one word END TIMES
this is where you guys get hilarious. Sin is Sin, none greater than the other according to the bible. So you all can twist the bible but the other “pimps” can’t. Someone can totally twist salvation like Pearson, but to you all thats no worse than someone taking peoples money. People can get their money back, but when they are psychologically messed up and confused by the church some never recover. These are souls we are losing. Melvin, you word stuff so people will agree with your side or in other words in a bias way. If you are going to ask a question do it objectivly. This site sucks, no souls are being won.
I’m sorry Anonymous. I assumed you had a sense of humor. But I don’t mind repeating myself.
This site is not here to win souls. It is here to warn the Christians out there about the pimps and pimpettes preying on them.
The gist of the post was not to say that one was worse than the other. Pearson is a heretic. Hinn is a heretic. However, even the nominal Christian will know enough to stay away from Pearson. The unsaved are lost. People who follow after Pearson are lost. In all probability, Pearson is lost. They are going to lose more than their money. However, the saved who follow after Hinn and company don’t simply lose their money. They lose time that cannot be redeemed, they lose relations, they never gain an understanding of what it means to Be a Christian. They are never able, as followers of Hinn and those of his ilk, to contribute to the well being of the Body. These are massive things and the Christian community (not the unsaved) should continuously be warned about them.
There are plenty of sites out there presenting the Gospel. Perhaps you would like to start another.
I am still amazed that people are willing to tell me what I should be doing when they are doing nothing themselves (unless you already have a site out here to present the Gospel).
But I natter on. Forgive me.
Melvin
We should all be in the business of saving souls since that is part of our purpose. Melvin I would hope that by you having this forum you would be about God’s business. So as you open discussion and respond to opinions take time to implement the real purpose which is winning souls for christ through the prayer of salvation. I would think it would be the focus after all is said and done!
Blessings
Deb
Anonymous wrote……..”Sin is Sin, none greater than the other according to the bible.”
What Bible is that?? Mine says no such thing.
How about this one??
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Mat 18:6 ¶ But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Jesus seems to take particular offence to this sin……..He seems to think it’s worse than some others.
Also, the Lord seems to have a particular distaste for these sins as well……….
Pro 6:16 ¶ These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Here’s one you may find particularly relevant……..
Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.”
Apparently, there are greater and lesser levels of damnation dependent upon one’s sins. The sins addressed above seem to lead to a greater damnation, therefore the sin must be viewed by Jesus as especially grievous.
BTW, the devouring of the substance of the widows and poor, and making long prayers to devour that substance under the guise of Christianity, is precisely what the subjects of the website are guilty of…………makes ya think, don’t it??
Amen Amen Amen!!!!!! No souls are you winning. Read James Chapter 3 and 4.
Excusssssse me..way to go on the defensive. LOL. You don’t know me so don’t assume I don’t do anything. I do alot of work in my community and portray the light of christ to people and tell people about christ, I am also working on my masters of Divinity. The internet is not my “calling”. lol. Still the simple fact is, what is our commission and job as christians commanded strait from JESUS? you my friend are a pimp as well. if you are not out to win souls, at least in part, you are leading people astray just like the normal pimp. I guess it takes a pimp to know one. lol.
Not really on the defensive. I do what I do. I am being obedient to Christ. But it seems, in the course of running this site, people come in and tell me what I should be doing. In terms of this site and what I do with this site, I understood you to be saying the site should be trying to win people to Christ. I pointed out that the site is not here to win people to Christ. The follow on to that was - if you think there should be another site to evangelize people then go ahead and create one.
If we want to talk about being defensive, that would seem to be the source of your response. I certainly did not say you are not doing anything at all. I pointed out that you do not appear to have a site to evangeliaze (…unless you already have a site out here to present the Gospel…). I think it’s nice that you are pursuing a Masters of Divinity but I didn’t really ask you about that.
And it’s curious that the internet is not your calling but apparently evangelizing on the internet is supposed to be my calling.
Again, a bit of presumption on your part.
Just out of curiosity, why the “lol’” in such odd places. They make no sense in the conversation.
and the paragraph below makes no sense. The points you made can be argued for both of the men. In the end it comes down to neither is more sinful or worse than the other. They are both leading people astray. No need for some bougus comparasion.
quote Melvin Jones:
The gist of the post was not to say that one was worse than the other. Pearson is a heretic. Hinn is a heretic. However, even the nominal Christian will know enough to stay away from Pearson. The unsaved are lost. People who follow after Pearson are lost. In all probability, Pearson is lost. They are going to lose more than their money. However, the saved who follow after Hinn and company don’t simply lose their money. They lose time that cannot be redeemed, they lose relations, they never gain an understanding of what it means to Be a Christian. They are never able, as followers of Hinn and those of his ilk, to contribute to the well being of the Body. These are massive things and the Christian community (not the unsaved) should continuously be warned about them.
What about it didn’t make sense?
The lol represents places I was laughing at this site, not for any particular reason, just because I felt like doing so. Its/This just funny. And I told you why it didn’t make sense. Its because the points you made were mutual to both of the men, you tried to back your point up but it didn’t work well. I knew my view wouldn’t be accpeted but I gave it anyway, I have nothing to be densive about. And you prolly don’t want to hear that i’m in divinity school because i guess you don’t think that theres anyone else out there that studies the bible and knows the bible and disagrees with you. The Bible also said try the spirit by the spirit. I’ve tried you. I firmly belive that if God had told you to run this site this way he would have also told you to offer a outlet of salvation for those you are leading away from the churches you are trying to steer them away from. Some form of the truth. Thats the great thing about Christ, He always offers some form of hope. Thats why we are able to be saved from eternal dammnation. If you are not offering any hope, you are not connected to Christ, point blank. All of these men and women you work “so hard” to bring down can be truly saved. Offer some form of hope, you never know who might be receptive, if you are truly called that is.
I understand what lol means. I just didn’t understand why you chose to insert it in those spots.
Although your comments sound very sincere, I think this is a good example of someone coming up with their own little theology. If you are going to make a statement that says someone isn’t saved, you have to back that up from scripture. Thats one heck of a statement you just made, anonymous.
Anon wrote
(And you prolly don’t want to hear that i’m in divinity school because i guess you don’t think that theres anyone else out there that studies the bible and knows the bible and disagrees with you. The Bible also said try the spirit by the spirit. I’ve tried you. I firmly belive that if God had told you to run this site this way he would have also told you to offer a outlet of salvation for those you are leading away from the churches you are trying to steer them away from. Some form of the truth.)
My first question to you Anon is: Why do you keep mentioning that you are in Divinity School? Do you feel the need to feel important or something? Also where in the bible does it say try the spirit by the spirit? What scripture, because I am sure if you search the scriptures you find that it is not in there. My third point is your comment ” if God had told you to run this site this way he would have also told you to offer a outlet of salvation for those you are leading away from the churches you are trying to steer them away from.” YOUR POINT MAKES NO SENSE. ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LEAVING THESE CHURCHES ARE NOT SAVED AND NEED TO BE SAVED AGAIN? YOU MAKE NO SENSE AT ALL.
Anonymous, there is no need to have an argument by yourself. If you would like to make a point about Melvin being something that he is not then, please put some scripture to support your mumblings. When Melvin puts up a post he has supporting evidence to go with it whether it is from the Bible or from the individuals website or even the church that they are leading astray.
The lol represents places I was laughing at this site, not for any particular reason, just because I felt like doing so.
Oh. I think I understand. Instead of addressing the issues and providing a rational, Bible-based response (which you should be able to do since you are studying for a Masters of Divinity) you are trying to respond with derision. Hmm. That makes for an effective response. And it shows you’re getting your money’s worth from your studies.
Quote from Anonymous:
“Sin is Sin, none greater than the other according to the bible. I agree, that is the bible. So you all can twist the bible but the other “pimps” can’t. What twisting are we talking about here? Someone can totally twist salvation like Pearson, but to you all thats no worse than someone taking peoples money. Correct me if I’m wrong, but didnt 2 sentences ago you say that sin is sin? Which one is it bruh? Choose. People can get their money back, but when they are psychologically messed up and confused by the church some never recover. I partially agree, these people are messed up. But according to the teachings by Pearson, those people never were saved in the first place. Its sad, but true.
However, the people who give thier money to the pimps believe what the pimps are saying, and the pimps AREN’T teaching sound doctrine. Some of these people might be saved, and are believing a lie.
So in both cases, neither is receiving sound doctrine, but one is a little more broke.“
I like that - A little more broke.
I may have to borrow that phrase soon.
Melvin
I sent a email prayer request to Pimp Daddy Hinn and within a few weeks i am now receiving “personal” typed emails by Benny asking me to donote money to his ministry…he feels a stirring in his soul for world evangelism! World deception more like! A wolf in sheeps clothing slaughtering the sheep!!! Melvin keep up the good work! God bless you..
And I see you have hoes. Where there is a pimp hoes are sure to follow. lol
What does the Bible say about slander?
Sounds like the response to me is “hmmm, her point might make a little sense, but since I believe every word MELVIN(not the bible) utters, I have to possibly find something wrong with her. She can’t be right.”
Ya’ll are being pimped and don’t even realize it. And I wasn’t tryin to be rational, took you a long time to think of that response eh? No hope, No Christ, point blank. Carry on Melvinizing everything I say.
Melvinites unite!
But seriously. What, exactly, does it mean to Melvinize something? You have yet to actually address anything I have said. You now accuse people of being ‘hos, you plainly state that you are not trying to be rational, and you say no one disagrees with me.
I would have to go back to the original discussion and point of the site. Do you really believe Jesus suffered in hell for our sins? Do you believe His death on the cross was a sufficient payment for our sins? Do you think you pastor should associate with men who preach the suffering in hell heresy? Do you have a problem with your pastor bringing in men who deny the foundations of the faith (Oneness, Word of Faith, etc)?
You can attempt to deride, call names (something I haven’t done to you), and otherwise obfuscate. But until you actually address the issues, you are simply a noisy gong.
Anon,
You can call me a ho all you want. You can say I eat Melvin-Oh’s for breakfast. But the reason that so many of us agree is not because MJ is espousing his own doctrine, but because he is simply applying the tenents of Chrisitianity to what we see being done by the pimps. There are things about christianity that we can disagree on. Such as:
I hold a different view than Melvin on the issue of “eternal security.”
I learn from every post Deb makes, but I disagree with her view on the “rapture.”
But there are things about our faith that should be rock solid:
The Virgin Birth
The Trinity
Jesus as fully God and fully human at the time of the first Advent
The Death then Resurrection on the cross
The Atonement.
I could go on, but this is not Melvin’s own theology, (although we really like his style in presenting his veiws), but when a pimp like Benny Hinnn goes on Television and is seen and heard by millions saying there are nine “persons” in the Holy Trinity, Melvin, and other christians are bible-bound to respond. So are you. I would think that a person who is going for a degree would be taught these things. What school are you attending? I took correspondence, so don’t take the question the wrong way. I am only wondering if you go to a school founded by a television minister. If you are not, then good for you. If you are, then it backs up the reason for this site.
And so we agree to disagree agreeably.
In the love of Christ Jesus,
Deb
what name have I called you other than a pimp( which is just the term you use for these other pastors)? Can’t take what you dish, eh?
I wouldn’t object to you calling me “pimp” and readers “‘hos” if you would simply do more than make sweeping statements without addressing the issues.
For example, I consider the men and women referred to on this site as pimps because they have the same characteristics of a pimp. And their followers behave the same way as the women in a pimp’s stable. I provide evidence of this, examples of the behavior. Click on the link. Just read the contents of the site.
If you would, please explain how I am taking advantage of the readers of these postings. I don’t take money from them. I don’t have them do things for me. I don’t lie to them or tell them things they want to hear. So how, exactly, am I pimping them? What am I benefiting by running this site?
Calling me a pimp without some evidence is pretty iffy. Just as calling me a heretic or a mean man, or a crazy person without evidence is pretty iffy.
I offer evidence and compare it to Scripture in making my statements. You have not. In fact, you have yet to address any of the things said on this site. And you certainly (except for a fairly weak paraphrase) haven’t tied much of what you have said to Scripture.
By the way, I didn’t say you aren’t doing any thing. I assumed you do not run a evangelizing web site. I do wish you would try to get that right this time.
i think alot of those pastors are just out for the money.the christian people need to wake up.stop look and the man and look toGod and his son Jesus Christ.td jakes dont have a heaven or hell to put u in. the church is out of order and it time for some samuel to rise up and preach the true gospel.it time to get back to holiness. its also time to preach on sin,the cross, the blood of Jesus and the coming ofChrist. i tired of all these preachers rob the people of God.
yeah like this cat Bishop Eddie Long being featured on Ludacris’ new album.. here is a quote from CNN’s website:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Music/10/03/music.ludacris.ap/index.html
“Therapy” delves deep into Luda’s current concerns. On the confessional “Freedom of Preach,” bookended by words from New Birth megachurch leader Bishop Eddie Long, Luda asks for forgiveness for hip-hop beefs, struggles with Karma’s mother and being rude to his fans. He also asks God to forgive others — including Oprah Winfrey, whom he has criticized for marginalizing rappers.”
Mr. Annonymous.
I would like to know why you keep on attacking Melvin? If you disagree with his ideas, why don”t you search the Bible yourself rather than calling him names? This is for our own salvation, and more over the Bible speaks clearly about issues concerning false doctrine and how we the belivers have to be more carefull that no one deceives us.
rev_ak,
Did I ever say I agreed with Benny Hinn? I just said I didn’t think this site was connected to Christ. That was my point. The only reason I used Hinn and Pearson as an example was becasue of the screwed up way Melvin asked the original question in his post. Let me state my side more clearly. If you are steering people away from something false, you should offer them truth. Thats the whole point of Christ. When we come into him we come into the light. He doesn’t just tell us we are wrong and leave us hanging in the world. Conviction rather than condemnation. Again, we can all be forgiven, there is hope for all, and if this site isn’t promoting that, at least in part, it is not connected to Christ. Luke 4.
Melvin,
I believe you also to be a pimp, so I called your follwers hoes. A pimp can’t be a pimp without a hoe. It’s conceptual. Don’t try and make me sound crazy. These are the terms you chose to use for this site, so I was just speaking your language, if you will. I believe that you should offer a hope, a faith, the truth. I wasn’t trying to argue your view of theology, that wasn’t my point here and if that was I would make that clear(Although I will say I think you would better yourself and this site if you took a couple of courses in black church history). All I am saying is offer hope. There are thousands of other religions out there, that could be viewing this site and say “Hey, thats why i’m not a Christian. All they are is pimps.” After all we are all members of ONE body.
Oh terry I didn’t even see what you wrote so this is dedicated to you.
1. I don’t keep trying to mention that. Read the converstaion over again, I mentioned it because melvin asserted that I wasn’t doing anything for the kingdom, then he said he didn’t need to know that and then I asked did it offend him that someone else knows the bible. He keeps making references to it so I keep on too.
2. “try the spirit by the spirit”, a parapharsed statement for 1 John 4:1
3. Your interpretation of my point is incorrect, I am saying since the claim here is that these people are under false teachers there should be some outlet of truth here.
anything else?
Anonymous,
Brother/Sister I am filled with curiousity as of where you are getting a “Master’s in Divinity” from. From your statements I don’t see that kind of interest especially for someone studying the Divinity of Christ. A person who studies that would be all the more thrilled that someone is warning Christ’s Sheep about wolves out there. You claim that Melvin doesn’t have Truth available, well did you check out the Blogroll? I assume you didn’t due to your statements, but once again please let us know where you are getting your Master’s at and what you have you Undergrad Degree in. Inquiring minds want to know.
Grace and Peace
seal
Wake Forest University. I am a Double Deacon( Ungrad & Masters)
Anonymous,
You’re going to a secular institution to teach you about a un-secular God…….I pose that question to you, because seculardom has no idea who the God of the Bible is….
That’s just my opinion, no weight can be given or taken away from it.
Grace and Peace,
seal
I don’t even have the time of day to respond to that ignorant comment. It would take a whole page. Seems like you need some schooling yourself. Oh the irony.
Oh and I was an undergrad Religion Major.
all of this man made stuy of the bible explains why you sound the way you do. you like to hear yourself think, talk. be careful that you don’t get Jesus educated right out of you.
Anonymous,
I didn’t accuse you of agreeing with Hinn, but I am merely pointing out that there are (or should be) foundations of our faith that are undebateable. Pulpit Pims/Heretics contradict these tenents daily, and on live TV. It is always a “red flag” when a person like you, claiming to be a student no less, will ignore the atrocities, like Carlton pearson’s “anything goes” theology, and make a post attacking the site. Ithink what Melvin, Seal, (big ups on getting married) and myself are trying to say, is: where is the rage at the pimps???? Why are they getting a pass so you can try to make an argument on semantics? A serious seminarian who was learning the basics of orthodoxy should not have trouble identifying doctrinal errors, so what’s the deal???
rev_ak,
I have no problem see what you guys find wrong with Pearson or Hinn, that was not my point in commenting on the post. It was the way it was presented that caught my attention, plain and simple. I’m smart enough and have been studying the Bible long enough to know how foolish it can be to argue theology, epecially when its not face to face, So I have chosen not to go there. Now, If you want to continute to try and make this disscussion that, you are going to end up arguing with yourself. Go back and read my first post please, My issue was with the way it was presented, not the content of it.
Last time Anonymous,
The only reason I am doing this is because I am sitting here in Indiana waitning for snow on the first day of Spring, and I am very bored…I am going to attempt (vainly, perhaps) to make my point (again) that if you think this webstie “sucks” and we are all ho’s and such, why won’t you say the same about the people who have REAL airtime and are bastardizing the Word of God on TV every day?
You are always mentioning something about your own works - I go to school, I do a lot for the community, I have been studying the bible for long enough…etc. Yet you never back up this high level of education by quoting scripture and/or the aformentioned tenents of the faith. You give yourself a pass by saying you will not discuss theology, but that ’s very important for we “learned” chrisitians to do. We are the guardians of the faith, you included. One of the most important scriptures pertaining to this ministry is Romans 16:17. Read it, and then apply it to this site, then make your judgement. For all the readers out there, I think that anonymous is a GREAT example of why this site needs to be here.
P.S. I love the word “seculardom” !!!!
“So I have CHOSEN not to go there.”
Your attempt has failed. I will not conduct a cyber disscusion of theology, no matter how many attempts you try and make to reference and play on my education and/or such. I am confident in what I know and that I know it and I have no desire to argue it with you. I will say though since this conversation keeps draging on that, the theology used to defend this site is not the only problem I find with it. I think that the webmaster of this site is greatly ignorant to the Business side of the church and some the things he attempts to call these pastors out on are wrong simply in concept. Anyone naive enough to believe that a church as large as lets say, IV Hillard, runs primarily off of tithes, offerings and donations and such is just elementry in Business.
“Anyone naive enough to believe that a church as large as lets say, IV Hillard, runs primarily off of tithes, offerings and donations and such is just elementary in Business.” — I hear what you’re saying and, unfortunately, sometimes that’s the problem….
I’ve served as a Church Administrator/Trustee for many years as well as assisted many ministries in their financial departments, assisted during mega-conferences, etc. It’s BIG BUSINESS! I’ve personally seen leaders whose faith have changed from believing God for all their provision (when their ministry was small) to “how much came in?” as the pressures of a growing ministry becomes reality - well…. not to mention all of the church marketing resources that have popped up within the last fifteen years or so - Why pray, believe and wait on God when you can just get the software or go to one of the church financial seminars and spend over $1000 for tapes and books?
I’ve seen churches where at least one fourth of the annual budget goes towards the pastor’s salary package, expense accts, etc. I’ve also seen churches where the pastor’s salary package and expenses was one half of the annual budget.
As I broke bread with some prominent pastors awhile back, one of them said “they can’t pay for the word that’s in my mouth” - they all started laughing and saying amen and carrying on - you would be surprised at how that attitude have permeated The Church.
They were right - and I don’t….
I am thankful to God for using those experiences to mature me. I’ve learned so much that now I can listen to anyone minister and know which gospel they are preaching/teaching - sound or the other one …
I’ve also learned to see the wolves afar off…
To God Be The Glory!
More than heretics and/or pimps, both men preach another gospel. According to the inspired word of God from the pen of the apostle Paul, both Pearson and Hinn are accursed. They may have committed the sin the leads to death that the apostle John warns us of in his first letter, chapter 5. To all the saints: beware of these men and please pray for those who have been deceived by them. Only the Spirit can lift the veil from off the eyes of the followers.
By the way folks, you do realize you can reply directly to a comment by clicking on the “reply to the comment” hyperlink right after the comment, right?
For instance, I did that with this comment. It is now attached to the note I am responding to. Much easier to follow, I think. And all brought to you by my vastly over-priced webmaster.
Hello, and greetings to all in the name of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
I stumbled upon this site while researching different pastors and preachers in the church. I have found some comments you have made about different preachers and was amazed at the lack of evidence (beyond circumstancial) you have to make such absurd accusations. How do you know that these preachers are extorting money from people? Have you reviewed their financial statements and looked at any ministry budget they may have? Can you prove that the majority of the money these ‘pimps’ make goes into their pockets? I have not seen one shred of evidence that points to these people robbing anyone. People are getting healed from their ministries. People are getting delivered. If you want evidence of this, just visit some of their websites and click on ‘testimonies’.
I have visited sites similar to yours and the motive for why their sites (and yours) is the same. “To warn fellow believers about false prophets in the church.” I have also seen the comments you make about some preachers that match exactly what other sites say, rehearsed, as if you all attended the same school “The University of Haterism”. We need to be concerned when we see a site like this displaying our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ as heretics, without any real evidence other than opinion, when even secular attorneys know that circumstancial evidence doesn’t fly in the courtroom.
If you were to take some of the people on this site you bash to court with the minimal evidence you have provided here, I’m sure the case wouldn’t even make it past the arraignment. And if secular people judge evidence so strongly, how much more should we Christians judge evidence against our brothers and sisters in Christ, seeing how we are supposed to be examples to the world? As often as you bashed the people on this site, I ask you: Have you asked any of the people that view your site to pray for the salvation and mercy of those you call pimps? Have you encouraged people to LOVE the ‘pimps’? This site lacks the top fruit of the spirit, which is LOVE. If this site isn’t being motivated by love, and God is Love, then what IS motivating this site?
But if you are genuine and you truly care about the people you believe are getting snookered by these preachers, you should pray for the preachers as well as the people. God doesn’t desire that ANY should perish. So if you believe you are right and this site is of God, then follow Christ’s example and love your enemies. Pray for them. Put examples on your site of how people should ‘love’ the pimps. Send some of the ‘pimps’ a card saying how much you love them and are praying for them. Love can cure a heart that has been diseased by satan. If you really love, then this site should include more examples of it.
Hmmm. Circumstantial. I accuse Creflo Dollar of preaching a heresy - Jesus suffering in hell for our sins. I then show you on his site, the lesson he publishes teaching that. How is this circumstantial?
I say that Ken Copeland preaches that Jesus is the first born again man and show you this in his words. How is this circumstantial?
Dr. Hilliard had a “birthday party,” and announced it on the internet. How is this circumstantial?
Perhaps I don’t know what circumstantial evidence is.
Then again maybe it’s you since you say I am accusing the pimps of extorting money, of stealing from people, and of putting a majority of the money in their own pockets. I’ve never said either of these. Unless by extorting you mean they somehow make people feel obliged to give. In which case, I will stand by such a statement. Read the posting by Deb on Juanita Bindem for a non-circumstantial example.
I suggest you calm down, take a couple of deep breaths, take a look at the site, look at the evidence, and look at what Scripture says we should do with the evidence.
I haven’t read as superbly a knee-jerk reaction as yours in a couple of months. Thanks for reminding me of why the site is here.
By the way, it’s not the “University of Haterism.” That’s kind of awkward to say. It’s “Hater University” or “Hater U.”
By the way again, has it occured to you that we all say the same thing because we are all looking at the same Bible and coming to the same conclusions?
Good website
You know what’s amazing to me is two (2) things; first, we talk about the love of God but we do not what to talk about the wrath of God i.e. the turning over of tables, destroying a generation because of disobedience etc…the wages of sin is death…what about that love it’s because of that love that we in most caes try a get it right. Second, the people who responds never address your issues which is the issues that some of these indiviuals teach.
To me this is a site that keeps the believer ( I did stay believer) aware of wolves in sheep clothing. Chew the meat and discard the bones.
Be Blessed
My point and purpose exactly.
Melvin
great response Melvin to blinded “concerned” comments.
One more “By the Way.” Why do you keep assuming I am not praying for the wolves and pimps? Are warning and praying mutually exclusive in your mind? Shouldn’t be according to Romans 12 (even though he’s talking about persecutors there).
what’s up brother melvin? i was informed of your website by a friend of mine. when i first read the name pulpit pimps, i thought to myself, gansta! the reason being is that i am a mc who believes in our Lord and Saviour Jesus who is the Christ, Son of the living God, so like you i am edgy with my thinking. especially when it comes to the church. now to the reason for my comment. anonymous had some valid points, like many who disagree with you. after reading the entire post of comments between the two of you, i noticed the excessive amount of biblical mudsligging that took place, which in essence contradicted the purpose of this website( warn the sheep, not scatter them). anonymous, it also soiled the love of Christ that you so desperately asked bother melvin to give. if i were a person stumbling across this website, after reading the comments posted, i would have a disfunctional view of the church. now brother melvin, is that the message of Jesus Christ? before you answer so sharply and wittingly as you do, remember your after the cross and your commission is to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. and brother may i add that if your not doing that then you labor in vain. you become one with those you despise and call heretics. yes you do have an obligation to shed light over the darkness of false doctrine but don’t become dark in the process. you and anonymous gave the perfect example of what happens to sheep when they overeat, they get nasty and bite!( study sheep farming and you’ll know why Christ refers to us as sheep) if your are truely concerned about God’s people being misled by pimps/wolves of the gospel then strap up your sandals, grab your staff and do it the way they did it in the old days, speak on God’s behalf in person. what better way to do it, you know go into these pimps palaces and shut em’ down in person. i’m pretty sure brother creflo would love to hear you call him a pimp in person, you know man to man. go to mega-fest with a mega-phone and let brother jakes know God disapproves of him merchandising sheep. it’s easy to sit behind a computer and throw rocks at preachers in their glass houses but as david showed us one smooth stone with purpose can kill a giant. so melvin, what is your purpose? God is transparent you should be too! let us see your vision. you have the faces of brother benny, brother eddie, brother noel, brother kenneth,( the list goes on) shouldn’t these brothers know who you are and where you fellowship? but let me guess God didn’t call you to that, and that is not the purpose of this website! again, what is your purpose.God does tell us to be aware of false preachers and their doctrine as well as sheep who scatter sheep. let’s face it melvin you are telling people to leave these churches because of pimps, and there’s a good chance that some have left the body and whether you like it or not, you sir have scattered sheep! so brother repent, because the question should be which is worst, pimpin em’ or scattering them? we are walking epistles that all men should read, according to these blogs, i would hate to think that this is the message of our Lord and Savoiur, Jesus who is the Christ son of the living God-
God Bless You
To MBK,
The word is clear on what will happen to false prophets, i.e, anyone who preaches a false gospel (that would be the countless prosperity profits and others who bring shame to the Word of God). Instead of trying to write some witty prose or argue with vain words, I’ll let God speak for Himself.
2 Peter 2
Destructive Doctrines
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does[a] not slumber.
Doom of False Teachers
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked 8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)– 9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries, 11 whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord.
That’ll work.
Melvin
For Melvin to take his Melvinites to Mega Fest and comfront Jakes and his band of believers probably wouldn’t work. He would be accused of cursing his meeting. Remember people have itchy ears and Jakes preaches what they want to hear. But if Melvin wishes to give this a try he’ll have his chance soon. If you live in the DC area Jericho City of Praise in Landover MD is having a praise fest April 17-21. Schedule to appear is Eddie Long (4/17), TD Jakes (4/20) and Noel Jones (4/21). Melvin, they’re coming to town.
Thanks. I blew my opportunity to pass out tracts when Jakes came for the New Year’s revival at the DC convention Center. I guess God IS a God of second chances.
The fact that you have to guess says alot about you.
Dear Anon
Why the attack on Melvin. Why is that you can not be civil in your disagreement. I understand that you go to Wake Forest University which explains your take on the exposing of false teachers. I live in the Raleigh Area and attend a church that is very active in fighting sin and exposing false doctrine. Now earlier in your postings you were taking about all that you are doing from an educational perspective. WHAT are you doing to promote the gospel or be a hinder to Satan. You are on a very liberal campus that is filled with homosexuals, have you had any rallys to oppose that sin. There was a rally in Raleigh about 8 month ago to protect marriage were you there to support the introduction a marriage between man and women bill? Doing Christmas, when the merchants would not put up Merry Christmas, did you join in on the fight to help keep Christ in Christmas? After hurricane Katrina, did you support the hurricane relief efforts MR. Annon. Do witness to the unbeliever on a constant basis or do you take the approach that I do not want to offend anyone? I guess what I am try to say What are you doing for the futherance of the gospel(because you know I am not working on Masters in Divinity at Wake Forest so you know I unlearned but then again unless the bible is wrong which most seminaries now teach (secular ones) then I think, well let me say I know that Peter and John were not educated and they went on to write books in the bible and become great disicples). You say that this site is not a ministry because it exposes false teachers then I guess the apostle Paul was wrong when he wrote about false teaches and i guess we can through in there also.
Ummm..Obviously you no nothing about Wake if that is your take on it..lol..do a little research before you make a comment of that nature. The school is not filled with homosexuals and I would estimate that about 1-2% MIGHT be that sexual preference. Wake is no where near a liberal campus in general, it is a VERY republican, conservative school overall and to be blunt mostly rich white folks. I don’t know where you get your info but please get another source. Just because it is a liberal arts university doesn’t make the students that attend liberal. Get your facts strait. Obviously you know nothing about Wake and just because you live in North Carolina doesn’t mean you do. lol.
And as for the rest of your questions. I don’t live in Raleigh, Wake is two and a half hours away why would I have been knowledgeable of those local events. If I wasn’t active in the kingdom I wouldn’t be here. I wouldn’t be working towards my second degree, when I could be getting a masters in anything else. I wouldn’t volunteer at the Y two days of the week. I wouldn’t mentor middle school students every Thursday morning. I wouldn’t lead my gospel choir. I wouldn’t be the campus leader for the church I go to and be in ministry training. I wouldn’t have given after the hurricane or had my choir put on a program for shades of praise a gospel choir from New Orleans for their benefit. Its why I spent my spring break two weeks ago going to shelters and volunteering, instead of laying on the beach somewhere. And not only that a lot of others things I do because I love to show people the light of Christ through service. In the end people will forget what you say but they will remember the love you showed them. Its because I believe that Christ honors my labour. Do I do these things to get any type of glory or honor for myself? NO. I do them to show people the love of Christ and tell them about him. I have dedicated my life to service for the Lord and I don’t just talk it. I walk it.
….and its Ms. Anon, sir.
***And before anyone says I am trying to boast and show off, go back and read the post terry addressed to me. It’s just a response***
(Melvin’a Note: Since I implemented the nested comments capability, I haven’t done this too often. But I do believe I need to this time around. I want to make sure I am address the correct anonymous. Madam, I have given you a great deal of press in the last week or so. To date, you have not presented any kind of argument or defense of the subjects of this site. NOr have you demonstrated from Scripture why this site should not have the focus it has. You have simply nattered on about various activities you do and made very general comments about religion. I don’t mind if you insult me. You know - sticks and stones and all that. But I really don’t want to waste the readers’ time and have them read the same, reptitious stuff you put out. I must ask you to provide some support for you position (perhaps even clarify your position) or I will have to ban you from commenting on this posting. Future bannings will depend on your ability to contribute to the contents of the discussion.
Melvin)
This is for you Anon
(well I took your advice and contacted the school and come to find out Wake Forest University IS LIBERAL; (Anon, I took your advice and did some research. I wanted to know if the school is liberal so, I got the information from the horses mouth myself -the school)
Below you can read the email that I sent to YOUR SCHOOL WAKE FOREST UNIVERSITY
MY MESSAGE
THE RESPONSE
As you can see anon
Your school is indeed liberal because it has an open, accepting and affirming policy. Words from your school. Also let me make this clear so there is no misunderstanding I AM NOT (I DON’T CALL THEM GAY BECAUSE GAY MEANS HAPPY AND GAY IS USED AS ATTEMPT TO HELP THE HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA) HOMOSEXUAL. I GUESS MY EMAIL WAS CONFUSING TO YOUR SCHOOL AND THEY ASSUMED BECAUSE I ASKED THE QUESTION THAT I WAS HOMOSEXUAL. Anyway this explains why you view things the way you do because you attend a school that is already compromising. MY QUESTION TO YOU MS. ANON
HOW CAN HOMOSEXUALS BE SAVED WHEN THAT IS TOTALLY AGAINST THE BIBLE
Below you will find my scriptural references (something that you never provide when attempting to make a point)
Leviticus 18:22 22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
New Testament
Romans 1:24-28
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as