I need your help. I just got an e-advertisement from Club New Birth. When I read the ad, I had to go back and make sure it was really from New Birth.
Here’s what I want you to do: Before you click on the thumbnails, from what you can just make out in the little images, guess which one is from Club New Birth and which is from a secular site.
· Take a look at the e-ad from Club New Birth
· Take a look at a second e-ad I dug up from another site
· Tell me the difference between the two (other than the fact that the one from Club New Birth actually seems to have a sleazy look and feel to it)
While I can’t say for certain, Fast Eddie’s defenders will probably make some doofus claim that we have to appeal to the youth and draw them into the church. If they were to say something like that then I would probably have to respond that it is the power of the Gospel that draws men and women, not an opportunity to look and act like the rest of the world. BUT I would only say that IF they were to make the argument I suggested.
Is it me, or is Fast Eddie dragging the people at Club New Birth down the “Be,Like-The-World” rat hole? Even though some of you insist it is not your place to judge, I suggest you do. Your children are being exposed to this insanity and the mindset that creates it.
Somehow, “The Pew Jumpin’, Fire Baptized, Holy Ghost Filled Dating Service” (aka New Birth Singles Ministry) just doesn’t seem consistent with the general approach described by the Bible. But I could be wrong.
I guess I just have two questions. The Bible says women are supposed to dress in a discreet manner. Why does the woman on Fast Eddie’s e-ad look like one of the girls I wanted to talk to in high school? (wink, wink - nudge, nudge) And why does the male on the left side of the ad look like some underaged lounge lizard?
If Fast Eddie is such an anointed and Godly fellow, why does he not seem to understand that looking like the world is not the way to draw people to Christ. The only thing looking like the world does is draw pretenders.
But again, what does the Bible say we should do? Are we supposed to try to lure people in and spring the Gospel on them? Let’s take a look.
The first thing we have to realize is that God draws those to Him whom He would save. (John 12:32) God doesn’t need us to try to lure people in. By presenting the Gospel, the true Gospel, men and women can come into a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. (Romans 1:16) I don’t recall Peter entertaining the the crowd of men on the day of Pentecost. Quite the contrary. Witnessing in the power of God, he presented the Gospel and many (over 3,000) believed. And I’ll bet not once did Peter sing, shake a leg, sweat, or appeal to their emotions. (Acts 2:41).
Even the ones who were added after the initial flood didn’t come in as a result of an effort to entertain them. According to Acts they “…were continually devoting themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. (Acts 2:42) And God added to their numbers. Again, no mention of a big choir, a smokin’ band, or the use of a worship leader to interest the unsaved or to entertain the saved as a part of worship. The men and women came to Christ in response to the Gospel being preached. Peter didn’t drive a 34 Jupiter chariot or wear tailored togas and some goofy trident symbol. He dressed like the rough fisherman he was. It was the power of God that drew the men and women. It was and is the power of God - not the charisma of the preacher - that keeps them. It was true then and it is still true.
But today’s pulpit pimps seem to not understand this at all. They attempt to lure people in by looking like the outside. They don’t preach the Gospel in a consistent and intelligible manner. They preach feel-good, appeal-to-your-greed messages about the year of overflow, or next level living. But they never talk about the Christian being called to suffer for Christ. They rarely if ever preach about the need for us to die to ourselves and live for Christ, being content in whatever circumstance we find ourselves.
The poster you saw earlier is simply an indicator of the spiritual bankruptcy most, if not all, of the pimps suffer. And that bankruptcy is the only thing the pimps can give to the poor stupid sheep trapped in their “ministries.” And most of the sheep are too Bible-illiterate to even know when they are being lied to and misled. The pimps make sure they stay that way. Fast Eddie is simply one of the most obvious and extreme of the offenders.
Wait! Why do I keep hearing Donna Summer’s voice singing “Hot Stuff”?
This is the same guy, when referring to visiting with the President of the United States, who said, “just because we had a dialouge, doesn’t mean there was intercourse.” (indirect quote from my fairly good memory) There have been other very risque’ comments from Pimpus Maximus. I think that’s why people get so offensive while defending the pimps; part of the allure of the pimps is that most of them allow a certain “spiritual freedom” and they are getting a degree of worldliness AND the promise of heaven AND the promise of prosperity . Who can turn that down?
By the way, does that say “Dress to impress” on the young lady? Or is that another graphic from the over-price webmaster? If not, is it encouraging young ladies to dress how they would if they were going to the Stellar Awards?
(Melvin’s Note: Yes it does say “Dress to Impress”. And I promise you, I made no modifications to the graphic. It shows only what Pimpus Maximus allowed to be posted. I try, when I modify an image, to make it as obvious as possible. Unfortunately, these guys are sometimes so outrageous it becomes a matter of life imitating art. In the future I will try to make sure I note the fact that an image I put out there has or has not been modified. For instnace, the lastest posting of Jamal is one I built. However, the popularity ballot was straight from Jamal. )
That is so sad to see things like that, promoting a Christian activity like it was some kind of meat market. Where do people come up with the idea that this in any way resembles the spreading of the gospel we see in scripture?
Biblical Discernment:
John 7:24 - Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgement.
Hebrews 4:12 - The Word of God … is a discerner of the “thoughts” and “intents” of the “HEART”.
Matthew 15:18 - But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the “HEART”, and they defile the man.
Matthew 15:19 - 20 - For out of the “HEART” proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemie: …These are the things which defile a man: …
Galatians 5:19 - 21 - Now the works of the flesh are manifested, which are these: Adultery, fornication, uncleaness, lasciviousness, idolatry, withchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkeness, and revellings ..
Galatians 5:21 … and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall “not” inherit the kingdom of God.
John 12:48 - He that rejecteth me, and receiveth “not” my Words, hath one that judgeth him; the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Righteous Judgement:
Beloved, believe “not” every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God. Judge “all” things righteously, which is judgment based solely and strictly according to the inerrant, infallible, and eternal Word of the Living God.
1 Corinthians 2:15 - He that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
In the love of Jesus Christ,
Deb
Is that like a “religious club”? What is gonna be the difference between that and a secular? A club is a club…it has a negative conotation no matter which way you put it!?!?!?! So confused..lol.
No, no, no, no, no!!! Fast Eddie calls it a conference. It’s a four day conference of dancing, jazz, and a lot of other stuff. But it’s a conference, not a club, and certainly not a party.
Try as I might, other than the “Spoken Word” and the probability that there will be no alcohol at the conference, I just can’t see the difference between the dance club on the right and the “Singles Conference.” I wonder how many young women (and young men, by the way) are going to meet their ruin at this debacle.
oh I get it now! I know a lot of “christians” in college that will think that this is ok because it is Christian! I totally agree with you Melvin…I see no difference between these two. Arent we supposed to be seperated from the ways of the world?
Yes, Kat we are supposed to be separated, HOLY, from the world.
1 Peter 1:15-17 (Amplified)
“But as the One Who called you is holy, you yourselves also be holy in all your conduct and manner of living. For it is written, You shall be holy, for I am holy. And if you call upon Him as your Father Who judges each one impartially according to what he does, [then] you should conduct yourselves with true reverence throughout the time of your temporary residence [on the earth, whether long or short].”
1 Peter 2 :9 (Amplified)
“But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a dedicated nation, [God’s] own purchased possession, special people, that you may set forth the wonderful deeds and display the virtues and perfections of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.”
I don’t believe you are dogging out pastors, I believe you are speakiing the truth in love. I also believe that you are only pointing out the wolves in sheep clothing (Matt 7:15). I am a young woman 18 years old and I will tell you one thing I would not be free if I had been under the ministry of these false prophets. Hell is a horrible place, and sin leads you there, so making people feel good in what there in is evil. Thank you for telling the truth.
This is about as ridiculous as the “Christian jazz club” they had in my hometown. I don’t thinkit lasted very long.
I never went to one of these “conferences”, given even when I went to Eddie’s church I never felt a need to PAY A DOOR FEE to fellowship. And well, even then I realized THAT WAS NOT CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP. It’s an effort to simulate the world and call it Holy. New Birth has been involved in efforts to make “Christian clubs” in the past when I was there. I never went.
I did attend some of the “Single’s Ministry” sessions and one free outing they had in conjunction with the mentoring ministry I was involved with. I realized after a few sessions that it was not for me.
I knew that I was a single man who should marry. And they were not helping me in that regard. They were doing a great job at helping me if I desired to be living the “Single Life”, as in the Cameo song. Some of the ministering spoke to not fornicating, however you could tell just the opposite was in full process. The focus to me was not righteousness and finding the qualities of a person God would have you marry, but rather just being single and somehow being at peace with it while knowing everybody in the room was having a hormonal fit! The whole room was the BURNING side of 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 and there was plenty of talk in the sessions about “dating”, but they seemed to target it towards singleness, rather than looking to live holy and marry.
And when you started going to those sessions, you had to sign in and then they’d call your house if you started missing sessions with the “Single’s Ministry” Friday Night Service. It was really weird. Like I said, I was involved in mentoring and had been going to the church for a long time, so it’s not like I was a new-jack there seeing something as odd. I did not feel it was “Christian love” that had them calling me, but a desire to keep numbers up. Can’t say I heard anyone say that, but it’s New Birth folks. It’s a “business”, with Eddie Long as the CEO.
I was there and I knew I should leave those sessions and never return. Instead the Lord helped me find my wife and later I broke from Club New Birth completely.
I thank God He delivered me from that place.
I attended a singles conference in which Wanda Davis Turner, Cynthia Hale and Noel Jones were speakers. I didn’t get the opportunity to hear Wanda Davis Turner, but actually Cynthia Hale and Noel Jones were pretty good. Both we encouraging discussing living life as a single Christian and being comfortable where you are and in the state of singleness that God has for this moment. Today, I think we have too many singles looking for mates and their own lives are a reck going somewhere to happen instead being whole themselves, allowing themselves to heal from divorce or past relationships prior to receiving God’s best for them.
Melvin, did you ever hear about the church service Newbirth held inside and actual nightclub? It was a year or so ago. Yes, that’s right. An actual nightclub, with alcohol and smoking. I think they did it on a Thursday night. One of the guest speakers was Deebo from the movie Friday. The excuse was just what you’re talking about here…that we have to reach the world by any means necessary. There was a lot of controversy behind that here in Atlanta.
By the way, I wan’t there lol.
Deebo is one of the many “high profile” members of Eddie Long’s club. I pray that brother gets out of there with everyone else.
I recall one year back when I was there, Eddie Long said he was setting up a spot at a hotel or something across from where NBA All Star Weekend was taking place when it was held in Atlanta. He said he wanted to help women who were caught up in prostitution and stuff. I never knew what became of that. Anybody know?
Ministering in a club. It’s not wrong if the Lord leads you to do it. But we already know that Long and Jamal Bryant who also preached in a club for years are false teachers who deny the true power of the Lord Jesus, by acting as if someone must pay them to be a good Christian or be cursed in disobedience. I thank God I was able to help expose them in their recent TBN pimping.
So having Long advocate ministry in a club is to me nothing more than another one of his SHOW deeds of supposed good will. Notice everybody knew ministry would take place at the club. (Since I don’t live in Atlanta any more this is the first I’ve heard of it, but they even were playing secular Hip Hop in the church Family and Life Center over the sound system [while kids played basketball] when I used to go there, before I finally left that club (I mean New Birth) because I realized it was no good.)
If Eddie Long was serious about it and did it because he cared for the lost souls in that club and didn’t do it as a show deed. He would have never told anyone. Eddie Long himself would have simply walked into a club any night unannounced and started speaking to people at the bar. Instead, he made a show of it and had a celebrity front for him.
When Jesus ministered to the drunkards, he didn’t announce it. He was accused of doing wrong because he was found with them. Jesus didn’t make a “show” of it, he went to speak with them and then moved on.
That is so wrong that Long would play on lost souls like that. Obviously he’s looking for people with discretionary money that he can put in his own pot.
Having a “service” at a club is totally different from going to minister to people that are in a club. People go to bars and clubs when they’ve got nothing better to do with their lives. And there was viper Eddie Long, ready to snatch some of them into his game. Despicable!