Do you take essay contributions on your website from people? I think I have some good ideas for essays on scriptures I have studied. You could even modify them to suit your style and content. I could provide you with sources because I do not want to take full credit for all of those ideas. Some are gleaned.

I think you may organize your essays better than I can but I don’t think you can do everything.

Larry T.

It is not at all my intention to offend you, and I pray that you don’t stop sharing the thoughts of your heart on this site. Thank you for correcting me, I receive it in the love of Christ.

May God bless you in Jesus,
Deb

You are quite correct: differences in theology, and even a lack of orthodoxy does not make a man a pimp. The diffiuclty comes in what the man or woman does with the theology. Being Oneness does not make Brazier a pimp. Speaking at a Baptist conference, at a minimum makes him suspect.

But remember, the purpose of the article was not to discuss Brazier. The purpose of the article was to point out the Baptist pastor who is willing to bring in a Oneness fellow apparently simply because the Oneness fellow is “big.” John Jenkins did the same thing with Charles Ellis out of Detroit about two years ago. With them, it’s not about truth. It’s about popularity which directly translates into money and power. And that translation is made at your expense.

But with respect to Mr. Olsteen, you may want to rethink that. He teaches Jesus suffering in hell. Additionally, when given a golden opportunity to present the Gospel, he pulled his head into his shell and just sat there.

Melvin

As I wrote before this is a good site. This is my second post and I just stumbled across this site yesterday. I believe that you have a lot of great points. But there are some things that I disagree with you on.

I know that there are many different faiths out here eg; WoF, Apostolic, Full Gospel, Lutheran, Orthadox etc….. But what I have a problem is that even though some of these churches have unusual names or affiliates the pastors there are not all pimpish. For example I live in Chicago and I know that Bishop Brazier does do some good things in the community. Now that may not mean that much to some but to me he is more accepted than “Cashflow” I just love that name.

I hope I am not reading you or anybody else here wrong but I believe that just because a pastor has a large congregation it doesnt mean that he is a pimp. For example, I believe that pastor Joel Osteen is a wonderful man of God. I also believe that he is humbled. There are some pastors that you cannot get close to be ministered to. It’s easier to get to 50 cent than to those who claim there are men of God. Jesus was available to all who came to him. I have a problem with those who only look at prosperity and fancy things and anticipating their next appreciation service but not be concerned about lifes other neccesities. When was the last time you heard of one of these WoF pastors raising the dead, restoring site to the blind, hearing to the deaf, healing the sick and helping marriages and families restored. It seems that all they do is flaunt. Its nothing wrong with having good things but everyone should have it. The church should the biggest free bank in the world.

Yes I do believe that a pastor deserves a salary if he works in the church and it should be a worthy salary. But shouldnt those who also work in the church recieve one as well. Like I said before the pastor shouldnt be the only one with a Maybach and million dollar home. Someone else should be living just as well. Let me stop for now. Ican go on and on. By the way, I am not a member of Braziers church.

I only used the scripture (2 Thess 3:14) becasue Melvin uses it on the Page “Why this Site” Check it out. You actually were the first person to post under his article. A good post too. You are right, the scripture is not about false teachers. I don’t think I ever said it was. I was refering to how we warn our brothers who are out of line. My post was about how brothers and sister in the Lord discuss ideas with eachother in love and not as opponents.

When I shared with my former pastor last week about him having Jamal Bryant speak I did so becasue my former pastor is a brother and I did not want him to fall to the same trap. Many pastors of large churches don’t have anyone that they trust giving them objective advice.

I simply wanted to say that I didn’t think we should call eachother names nor take things so personal but attempt to listen and learn. Many people who come to this site are quick to dismiss Melvin and sometimes I think that many who are in support of this site are quick to dismiss those who might really be seeking the truth. Obviously my writing is poor becasue everyone misunderstood me. I’ll stick to just reading from now on.

Melvin’s Note: Please don’t. My reading skills are sometimes deficient. I enjoy your comments even if I don’t always understand them properly.

let me be more specific: My apologies for not paying attention to what you were saying and nattering on needlessly. I did indeed misunderstand what you were sayingl

Melvin

2 Thessalonians 3:14-15 is irrelevant to exposing false teachers in the body of Christ/Christian Church.

Actually, 2 Thessalonians chapter 3 is dealing with the disorderly conduct of those w/in the church who refuse to work, and are “busybodies: meddle - to interpose and act in the concerns of others, or in affairs in which one’s interposition is not necessary, often with the sense of intrusion or officiousness.”

Paul commanded and exhorted by our Lord Jesus Christ that with quietness they “work,” and eat their own bread. And “if” they refused to obey this epistle: see vs-12, then have no company with them, yet count them not an enemy, but as a brother.

Please study 2 Thessalonians 3, the chapter in it’s entirety.

vs:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him that he may be ashamed.

vs: 15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

Another Gospel:

The Word-Faith/Prosperity message is another gospel, and it is accompanied by a false Jesus, and a false spirit.

Galatians 1:8 But thou we or an angle from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have receive, let him be accursed.

The word of God calls the man who preaches another gospel “not” a brother, but “cursed.”

also, see 2 Corinthians 11:4

False Teachers Are The Enemies of the Cross of Christ:

Philippians 3:18 For many walk of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that THEY ARE THE ENEMIES OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST…

Philippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, WHO MIND EARTHLY THINGS.

In the love of the True and Living Jesus,
Deb

I must apologize for not being clear about my intentions. I am not the best writer. I was actually commenting on the previous post concerning about who is a hater.

I agree with you that it is our job to warn people and educate people about false teaching (aggresively). My point was they are not our enemies, but people who are not properly aligned in the faith if they are even in the faith. I challenge saints everyday to examine their beliefs. I challenge pastors all the time. I even questioned my former Pastor last week about his choice to have one of the preachers you’ve named come to his church to preach this very night. Trust me we are on the same side here.

2 Thess 3:14
Take note of those who do not obey what we say in this letter; have nothing to do with them, so that they may be ashamed. 15 Do not regard them as enemies, but warn them as believers.

melvin’s note: never mind.

Melvin’s Note: And a wonderful set of thoughts they are my dear friend. I’m not sure of just what your point is, but you sure had some pretty thoughts. A question: What happens to the people whose faith is being destroyed by these people while you are having these pretty thoughts? What does the Bible say we are supposed to do? I assume that as a pastor, you are arming indeed feeding the sheep for whom you have taken responsibility. And I am sure you are doing an excellent job of it, perhaps even warning your flock about the dangers of Word of Faith preachers and leechers. But what about the people who aren’t pastored by you? What of the ones who see these pimps on television and don’t know any better?

It’s really frustrating when people like you (especially since you are a teacher) take a “pick and mix” approach to Scripture and then use the bad mix to excuse the fact that you are doing nothing to warn the sheep outside of your flock about the wolves. Excuse me if I don’t agree with you. Just my thoughts.

Melvin’s Note: SS, just out of curiousity, where am I hating? Am I not accurately stating what the Bible states? If not, help me out and tell me where I am misusing it. Otherwise, since you are calling names, it actually appears that you may be the hater.

Melvin’s Note: Okay people. Let’s not let our minds sink too low into the gutter!

Melvin, this is a classic. It definitely ranks among your best.