Bro. Melvin…

So what church do you belong to???

While I have no intention of discussing that with you publicly, I am wondering why you ask. As the formerly blind man said to the Religious Leaders after Jesus healed him: “You want to follow Jesus too?”

Melvin Jones! I think you wish you were Pastor Jenkins or something! A friend at church told me about this site, and now I truly believe I am right! Get a life! Start your own church. Oops! You weren’t called.

Bro. Melvin…

So you don’t want to broadcast where you currently go to church, but you have no problem in blasting FBCG, a church in which you are no longer a member and haven’t been one in the past 4 1/2 years. (I’ve been gone almost six years. But I’m not sure why that matters. I’ve never attended Empowerment Temple, WOrld Changers, Club Newbirth, or Evangel Temple, ever. ) But I fail to see the connection between where I go to curch - I will share that with you off line, and the heresies taught by the pimps.(BTW I’m not a member nor ever been a member of FBCG).

Next question… Have you’ve been sued for defamation of character yet? Or are you concerned about that??? No. In fact, before I left FBCG, I asked the good pastor there if there was anything untrue in the “Why I Left First Baptist” handout. He said “No, it’s all pretty much true.” The Pimps are not ashamed of the things I say about them. Why would they sue me for defamation?)

It’s easy to attack for a lack of a better term: “America’s Most Wanted”, but don’t you as a Christian believe that believers and more importantly, non-believers who are rejoicing in your blasting of proclaimers of the Gospel (When they preached Jesus suffering in hell for our sins, they are not proclaiming the Gospel, when they say we are gods, they are not preaching the gospe.), would benefit greatly if you also told them of the places of worship where the Shepherd of the Flock will provide a Shelter in the Time of a Storm??? (This site isn’t here to bring in the unsaved. It is here to appeal to the saved and warn them about the pimps and wolves.)

The Bible declares in the Book of James 4:10-12:

(10) Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. (What’s your point? Was Paul raising himself up when he accused Peter of hypocrisy?)

(11) Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. (If you’re going to quote scripture, at least quote it in context.)

(12) There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Contrary to popular belief… There’s still a Balm in Gilead. Here’s some food for thought: Mat 18:21-22 KJV
(21) Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? (None of these pimps have sinned against me.)

(22) Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

My brother, I feel you do make alot of valid arguments on this site, but arguments without an solution is an unsolvable problem. (The solution? Get out of the pimps’ churches and hook up with an orthodox one.) Believe this:

2Pe 2:9 KJV The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

If you’re going to attack these people because of their doctrinal position, with as much zeal as you do, then take that same zeal and provide the sheep with food and instead of dirt. (The site isn’t here to provide food for the sheep. It’s here to warn the sheep. The first thing is to get them out of the pig sties. Some readers are recommending places for them to escape to.)

Joh 21:17 KJV He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

If you want to the church to truly get back to whe she rightfully belongs, then as a witness of Christ… Feed his sheep! (Not my job on this site. I do that in other venues)

We are charged to “earnestly contend for the faith”, not to be accusers of the brethern (that’s Satan’s job and trust me, he doesn’t need any help). (When you are dealing with the pimps, contending and accusing are virtually indistinguishable - Noel Jones is oneness. He admits it. It’s not an accusation.)

Don’t be an imp and for heavens sakes don’t be a pimp (I assume you mean a pimp for Satan), just be blessed in the Lord and may he heal your heart.

YBIC
Concerned Christian

CC: If you want to the church to truly get back to whe she rightfully belongs, then as a witness of Christ… Feed his sheep!

MJ: (Not my job on this site. I do that in other venues)

CC: So do you care to elaborate on these venues???

Melvin’s Note: Other than saying that I teach, not really. Look at some of the earlier postings and pull from them. BTW - I take back what I said previously. What I do here IS feeding the sheep. If you read the material, look at the references, and pay attention, you get fed. If you pay attention to the feeding, you will, like the fellow who figured out he needed to leave Empowerment Temple, begin to actually mature. This site takes the stand that we as Christians are to call out the wolves/pimps, turn away from them, and have nothing to do with them (approval, financial support, validation, etc). The average “Christian” seems to attach himself to them instead. The concept of righteous judgment never seems to cross their minds. Look at the link “About This Site” and some other postings. Go visit John E. Coleman’s site (link at the right). But above all think, using the Bible, the whole Bible, as your guide.

CC,

I don’t know if this will help, but I would recommend reading this “small” book slowly, perhaps grab you a commentary and read it.

I noticed that you quoted a lot of verses, but if we simply quote several verses individually without their proper context, we can literally make the Bible say anything we want it too just about. This is the main interpretive method that the false teachers use. There are no verses and chapters in the original, so that when it was read, it was read in it’s entire context, not individual verses. Here’s a good website to reference, which allows you to read the context or entire chapter, if neccessary. http://www.studylight.org

Look man, no one relishes speaking out against these teachers, but if you’ve ever had to counsel one soul, just one, that has been destroyed by false teaching then perhaps your view would be different. People make life decisions on what these men tell them bro. and look, don’t assume that perhaps everyone sitting there may be able to discern between wheat and chaff, they cannot.

Just take a moment and get over the emotion and think soberly for a minute. The Apostle Paul said, for I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. He goes on to say that’s what it was all about, preaching Christ and Him crucified. Is the cross not enough? I may have missed it, but Paul didn’t make the matter of first importance health, wealth, his purpose, big church, excitement, hype, etc, etc., etc. Nope: Jesus.

Peter picks it up and said, according to His divine power, He has giving us everything we need that pertain to life and godliness through the knowledge of Him(Christ). Can you see it bro., it’s all about Christ!!

Anyway, here’s Jude on false teachers. Compare your view with his:

3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day– 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

8 Yet in like manner these people also, relying on their dreams, defile the flesh, reject authority, and blaspheme the glorious ones. 9 But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.” 10 But these people blaspheme all that they do not understand, and they are destroyed by all that they, like unreasoning animals, understand instinctively. 11 Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain and abandoned themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam’s error and perished in Korah’s rebellion. 12 These are blemishes on your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, looking after themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever.

14 It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his holy ones, 15 to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16 These are grumblers, malcontents, following their own sinful desires; they are loud-mouthed boasters, showing favoritism to gain advantage.

Hello everyone.

I am a pastor in Richmond Virginia, but I grew up in PG, so all of this interest me. I view this site from time to time, and I probably agree with 99% of the material ( I personally am a little liberal with the women in minstry thing-don’t hold it against me).

I have one suggestion. Why don’t we encourage the readers of this site to fast and pray for these preachers on a regular basis. Maybe instead of a hall of shame we could have a prayer list, and we who know the power of prayer could fervently pray for their spiritual blindness.

I can remember the first time I taught my congregation about giving a few years ago. I prayed for understanding, and God gave me understanding that was differnt from what I had previously shared. I used to teach tithing, then I really examined the scriptures and came to another conclusion. The point I am trying to make is that prayer changes things.

There are going to be wolves that come in, we should make people aware, but more importantly we should pray for the Holy Spirit to lead the babes and wayward ministers. I have committed to doing more praying for these people and their flocks. All of us are growing in our faith and understanding. That is just my opinion. By the way, if you are ever in Richmond, Virginia visit us at Second Baptist in South Richmond.

Ralph Hodge

I WAS a member of FBCG for about 8 years. I joined that church because I FELT like the Lord was leading me there. I joined and continued to grow, but soon would be in a backslidden state.

I returned back in about 2001 and began a ministry called Turning Point. It was there that I started noticing that these people were not infact lead by the Lord, they were lead by Pastor Jenkins. Pastor said this and Pastor said that. I was waiting for someone to tell me what the Lord said.

Although, at the time I still thought Pastor Jenkins was a humble man. My husband started telling me that Pastor Jenkins was not teaching the word. We must have argued over it for a year or so. My husband left and kept on going.

It was about june of 2005 that I saw a complete change in sermons for myself. He started preaching on tithing and on and on and on. Seed of Faith and on and on and on.

Oh, I was really surprised when he started doing New Years with Bishop owens and TD jakes and Noel Jones, because I would tell people in the past that my Pastor didnt associate with those type of people.

Anyhow, I knew I had to leave there. I’m at Reid Temple AME now and seem to be enjoying christian life there. But now I have my eyes open to all who call themselves pastors.

God Bless you for being bold enough to talke about this subject. because these people that go to these churches (Empowerment Temple, FBCG, Mount Calvery, Harvest Life Changers, Evangel Cathedral, Long Reach Church of God, and the list goes on and on), these people are going to hell with gasoline drawers.

Keep doing your thing. God Bless

Bro. Franklin:

First and foremost, I’m quite familiar with the Jude text, and the Scriptures that I had previously quoted was to bring a Biblical perspective, not to quote Genesis - Revelation.

My only point directed to Bro. Melvin Jones, was to merely add balance to this site. This site isn’t about balance. It’s about showing the pimps for the pimps they are. Do you seek balance when judging the validity of Mormonism against Christianity? Is their any way they can be seen as equal? The pimps are doing the same thing as the Mormons, calling themselves Christian and thend denying the essentials of the faith. Does the Bible, when telling us what we should do about the pimps say we should just pray. BTW - praying and warning are not mutually exclusive. But how are you going to know who to pray for if attention is not drawn to their doctrine?

I have and still do counsel those who have believed in error. But instead of complaining to them about why they’re in error and how bad the individual is that taught them, I just go about doing the Father’s business of correcting them with love. I’m not trying to counsel those who have been destroyed by the teachings of these pimps. I am trying to warn believers away from them. If they leave and God guides them to an effective church, they can counsel them.

You said: “People make life decisions on what these men tell them bro. and look, don’t assume that perhaps everyone sitting there may be able to discern between wheat and chaff, they cannot.”

I completely agree, that’s why I suggested to Bro. Jones to not only negate the Word/Faith Preachers, but provide solid Biblical support to why their wrong and to stay away from the personal attacks. The Pharisees and the Sadducees did this for years and it got them nowhere. Drawing attention to their doctrine and practices are not personal attacks. And I do tell what the Bible says about their teachings, why they are not correct. Read some of the previous posts.

The Bible tells us not only to pray for the brethern, but to pray for our enemies.

I really appreciated Pastor Hodge of Richmond, VA message, instead of a wall of shame, but a prayer list and solicit the prayers of the Saints for them to come unto repentence. You know who these people are. Pray for them. Why do you need me to tell you to do that?

I know it may appear that by attacking these people you’re doing the right thing, but prayer is what they really need and the only thing that’s going to change them. So pray for them. But I let folks know who to avoid and pray for.

Quick question for you though: How quickly would you be to issue these same crude remarks if they were your parents??? What crude remarks, exactly, am I making?

If T. D. Jakes was your daddy??? I would like to think I would say the same things. Whether he is my father or not, denying the Trintiy is heresy. And doesn’t James say we are not to be respecters of persons?
If Creflo Dollar was your daddy??? The same. Truth isn’t about who your relatives are.
If Juanita Bynum was your mother??? The same. In fact my family is catholic. I walked away from Catholicism and denounce its doctrine as works-based and deceptive. What’s your point?

Would you be launching the same verbal assualts or would you be praying for them??? As I said, drawing attention to their teachings and praying for them are not any more mutually exclusive than is praying for my children and correcting them when they are disobedient.

It’s oh so easy to point out the crook, the hoodlum, the prostitute, the crackhead or the drunk when they don’t have a special place in your heart. It’s easy to point them out when they DO have a place in your heart. In fact, you are more eager to point out their destructive behavior and encourage them to change.

But when the crackhead is your father or mother, brother or sister…

When the whore on the corner is your mother, aunt or sister…

We have a different perspective of the situation.

Are you saying these pimps are in the same category as prostitutes, crackheads, etc.? Good. I’m glad you understand that. Now - are you going to enable them by remaining silent or are you going to speak out against them while praying they come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ?

Making funny, crass, and lewd comments about them, won’t change anything, but the Bible says to… The funny remarks detract from the supposed dignity and “anointing” they try to bestow upon themselves. Thus I tend to call TD Jakes T. Dexter Jakes. But don’t forget, his middle name really is Dexter.

(Phi 4:5-7) Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. (6) Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. (7) And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. It also says to draw attention to these wolves, to stay away from them, to mark them, and to correct them whenever possible.

YBIC
Concerned Christian

Saddened Christian, I admire your honesty about “issues” that not enough FBCG members recognize.

I’ve never had any reason to believe the Holy Spirit was speaking vs. flesh……I hear mostly personal opinions. The sermons are rather monotonous and a “growing Christian” can easily outgrow the preaching within a few years.

On the other hand, those who need to repent will mostly stay in their sins and be eternally lost due to the FALSE doctrine. As another member once said: “A lot of mess needs to be removed and major changes made BEFORE they move into a larger facility.”

This is for “not impressed and “saddened christian,” I am currently a member of FBCG. I have been a member for 2 years now, but saved since the age of 15 (I am 34).

I can’t believe that you are on this website dogging out FBCG and Pastor Jenkins. A friend told me about this site, and I just wanted to check it out. First of all, you guys left or want to leave, so leave it at that. How can you say “sadden christian” that anybody is going to hell! Of you are God now because you are at another big church, or did you leave because your husband left?

Melvin’s Note: Not really doggin’ out FBCG. Please address the facts I have presented. Does it trouble you for your pastor to hang with the likes of Charles Ellis (Oness); Noel Jones (Oneness); T. Dexter Jakes (Oneness), and others? If you don’t have a problem with this, perhaps I can see why you would see my statements as doggin’
All churches have issues, even Reid Temple (okay), I know because I have friends who attend there as well, so if I am going to hell because the church has some issues, then where are you going? I just wish that Melvin Jones could round up all his “followers” or in other words the “haters of Pastor Jenkins club” and just start a church called “Why we hate Pastor Jenkins and FBCG Church”. I am just bold enough to leave my name “Sonya”, because I love God first, and I respect my pastor.

Not Impressed, I totally agree with you. My husband told me two years ago that this would happen. There are numerous people leaving his congregation. However, since FBCG has become the place to be, he is gaining 3 members for every 1 that leaves.

I pray for Jenkins though, because I remember the man that he used to be. How in the world can TD Jakes become everyone’s spiritual father, including baptist preachers? Whatever happen to the Baptist way of doing things?

This church has become a mockery. I’ve tried talking to a couple of memberst there and ET in Balt. And they just say that God is using these men in a mighty way to bless people

CC,

Excellent! I did not suggest that you were not familiar with the Jude text, however, I recommended that you read it along with a commentary.

I’m sort of stunned that since you are so famaliar with the text that you do not follow through with it’s teaching. The false teachers are clearly identified as “those marked out for destruction”. Do you not see that as a warning? Correct me if I’m wrong, seems that you’re suggesting just leave them alone and pray for them, but don’t say anything about them. If so, that kind of counsel would be contrary to what scripture teaches, therefore it does more harm than good.

I’m sure this has been addressed already on this site, but I would suggest a quick read and review of Acts 20:29-31, Pauls counsel to the Ephesian elders. I’m sure that you are familiar with it already, so I’m only recommending that you revisit the text. How does the Apostle Paul under the inspiration of God the Holy Spirit communicate his LOVE for them, by praying for the false teachers or by warning them day and night for THREE years with TEARS. In essence he say’s ” BE ON YOUR GUARD! BE WARNED! DO NOT LISTEN! DO NOT ALLOW THEM IN! DO NOT FOLLOW THEM! Oh, and he does get around to praying, it just happen to be for the flock of God.

Now, jump over to Matthew 7:15-23, Jesus teaching on the false prophets. Again, I’m sure you are familiar with this text as well. Just asking you to review it for this cause. Here Jesus Himeslf, the very one who is full of LOVE, GRACE, and TRUTH. When dealing with the false prophets, he does not shy away from giving a solemn warning, BEWARE!! You can’t find a stronger word to use. He doesn’t set the example of “don’t say nothing about them, just pray and go on about your business and do good” NO, he calls them RAVENOUS WOLVES brother. That’s not commending them. I have three little one’s and when I’m teaching them about strangers. I use the same type of strong language. BE ALERT! STAY AWAY FROM ANYONE WHO YOU DON’T KNOW! THEY MAY APPEAR NICE, BUT INWARDLY THEY ARE TERRIBLE PREDATORS!

Furthermore, I ditto Melvin’s response to those sentimental questions. We have to stand for truth and point out error whether it be family or not. I’m not making that connection, however, I should commend you for some excellent questions, I can appreciate your heart in wanting to address them that way, because anytime it comes down to family, you began to tap into an emotional aspect which should not change period.

Lastly, I want to address this whole idea of “attacking people” who DISTORT THE GOSPEL! Does that not have an effect upon you? GOD’S word is being maligned bro.

Anyway, let’s just assume you work in corporate, like myself, and the company that you work for is audited by the SEC each year. In other words the SEC come in and check’s out their financial statements to see if what they report is correct or not. Now, just because the SEC checks out the records, and finds that there are some falsefying of records and false earnings that were reported, etc. and thus the person(s) involved are publicly made aware of and indicted, that does not indicate that the SEC was attacking the company you work for. They were just doing their job.

Keep up the good work Melvin!

Anonymous:

Please don’t misunderstand me on this issue. Pointing out those who misrepresent the Gospel is commanded for us to do, and those proof texts has already been exhausted, but allow me to add this:

In Paul’s letter to the churches of Galatia, in the opening greeting he declared: (Gal 1:6-9 GNB) I am surprised at you! In no time at all you are deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ, and are accepting another gospel. Actually, there is no “other gospel,” but I say this because there are some people who are upsetting you and trying to change the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel that is different from the one we preached to you, may he be condemned to hell! We have said it before, and now I say it again: if anyone preaches to you a gospel that is different from the one you accepted, may he be condemned to hell!

I agree with this. But, do we stop at this…. God forbid.

(Mat 5:19-22 MSG)
“Trivialize even the smallest item in God’s Law and you will only have trivialized yourself. But take it seriously, show the way for others, and you will find honor in the kingdom. Unless you do far better than the Pharisees in the matters of right living, you won’t know the first thing about entering the kingdom. “You’re familiar with the command to the ancients, ‘Do not murder.’ I’m telling you that anyone who is so much as angry with a brother or sister is guilty of murder. Carelessly call a brother ‘idiot!’ and you just might find yourself hauled into court. Thoughtlessly yell ’stupid!’ at a sister and you are on the brink of hellfire. The simple moral fact is that words kill.

WORDS KILL!!!!

We are not only are we mandated to do to point out the wolves in sheep clothing, but in the Gospel account according to the author of the Book of Mathew, chapter 18, verses 15-17 (I’m quite sure you’re familiar with this text, but I submit it to make a point):

Mat 18:15-17 KJV
(15) Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
(16) But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
(17) And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

It further goes on to state in Mat 6:14-15:
(14) For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
(15) But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

So since this site is not ultimately concerned with feeding the sheep, allow me to shine a little light:

Pimp/Pimpette: A man (woman) who provides gratifications for the lust (sexual pleasures) of others; a procurer; a pander.

Now correct me if I’m wrong… But if the preacher is the Pimp… That makes the church the Whore… I’m I right??? Question: Is this preacher/Pimp selling the church for sexual pleasures or is he/she “Fleecing the flock”? There is a difference.

These men/women who you are agreeing to be Pimps/Pimpettes for the sake of argument, are really something more dangerous. Yea, the “Krunk (Pimp) Glass” is cute for aesthetic cosmetics, calling these people Pimps and Pimpettes are cute, modifying their names to be funny (ha, ha) is cute, but let us reason together for a moment.

John 10 addresses the essence of this sites arguments. Spend sometime reading this text.

For years, it has been assumed by the mass media of preachers that Satan was this thief, but in contrast, it was that preacher who was “Fleecing the Flock” who came to steal, kill and destroy. (John 10:10)

If you’re truly concerned about the sheep being fleeced… Then feed them!!! You’ve sounded the alarm, the sheep has herd the trumpet blast… Now what do you have to tell them??? If you don’t want to feed the sheep, then put your trumpet away, because it’s one thing to get their attention, and it’s another thing to lead them to safe ground.

Point to remember: Just merely pointing out the bad guys, doesn’t stop the bank from being robbed!!!

May the LORD bless thee, and keep thee: May the LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: May the LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. (Num 6:24-26).

Have a bountiful blessed holiday celebrating our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ.

CC

Melvin’s Note: Let me try again. This site is here to warn. Feeding will take place as a part of the warning. However, the site is not here to feed the sheep. It is here to warn them and to provide them with enough to get away.

While I appreciate your desire for this site to feed as well as warn, it’s not going to happen. The site is here for exactly one reason - to warn. If you are so torn up about the lack of feeding as you see it, start a site on your own. It’s certainly easy enough to tell others what they should be doing. Much more difficult to commit to it yourself. Hey! If it’s good enough, I’ll even link to it from this site - as I have done with several other feeding troughs.

Sounds like a plan. You warn… I’ll feed… How bout that?

I’m not a fan of TD Jakes. So I’m not familiar with his background. When did you hear TD Jakes “deny the holy trinity”?

Sonya,

I don’t know Saddened Christian’s intentions. But I’ll say this: Unsound doctrine can have an influence on one’s eternal destiny. How? People act and live according to what they believe. If they’ve acted on the false doctrine that contradicts God’s word, they can ultimately end up in hell.

The New Testament had at least 3 examples of Christians who fell away because of false doctrine! In 1 Timothy 1:19-21, Hymenaeus and Alexander “shipwrecked” the faith of Christians. The phrase “shipwreck” should be self explanatory. In 2 Timothy 2:17-19, Hymenaeus and Philetus ruined the faith of some Christians with their FALSE teachings. Those are just a few of the existing biblical examples.

It’s absolutely imperative that Christians study God’s word and seek an understanding for themselves. Otherwise, they could be victimized. “For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage.” 2 Peter 2:18-19

“But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, ………… And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words;……….”
2 Peter 2:1-3

Jakes doesn’t come outright and say that the Trinity is unbiblical, although he does say that there is no such word in the Bible (true, lets give him that) however, he does something more clever and subtle, he pours a different meaning into the understanding of the Trinity other than what was established from scripture by the early church and throughout church history. His understanding is known as modalism or oneness , which was rejected by the early church fathers as heresy. Here’s a simple definition: Oneness theology denies the Trinity and teaches that God is a single person who was “manifested” as Father in creation and as Son in redemption, and as Holy Spirit in regeneration. In other words:

* Jesus is God the Father.

* Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

* The name of God is Jesus.

Actually, feeding of the sheep should take place in the context of a local church, where there consist a plurality of elders who are accountable to one another and the sheep that they shepherd. (EXACTLY! er..sorry. I got carried away) This whole idea of ONE man running the show doesn’t seem to be a biblical pattern as far as I can tell.

I think God who is all-knowing, knew that He would have redeemed sinners leading redeemed sinners and would not trust that much authority in ONE man. This is why alot of these guy’s get off track. Instead of having other men in the church who are doctrinally sound and well educated and not afraid of them, they surround themselves with men who may be educated, but do not have the courage of their conviction, thus they keep quiet and become yes men, further disqualifying them to serve Christ church.

Simply put, it’s time for this to stop, brothers and sisters. God’s people have been abused, misused, and taking advantage of long enough, all under the auspices of building the kingdom because the building is big and there is a lot of excitement and comotion going on. How long can we stand by and let the wolf into the sheep pen and say hey just pray for them while they destroy the sheep?

A word of caution, it’s not only the pastors who are going to be held accountable when they stand before God, but those who stand by and say nothing as well. Hey, these guy’s are not ignorant. They know that if they feed into the lust of the flesh, people will pack out a building or stadium or convention center. They know that if they tell people it’s all about them, their goals, their life, their anointing, their gifts, their prosperity, their health, their purpose-driven life, they won’t be able to build a building big enough.

So, I submit the question again, is the cross not enough? Have we tired of hearing about Jesus and the perfect life HE lived for us? Should we move on to something better than the cross of christ, namely us??????????

CC,
In Ezekiel 33, the “watchman” is to sound the trumpet when he sees a “sword upon the land.?” (v.2) If he does, then the people who hear the trumpet will be responsible for themselves. (v4,5) If he does not, their blood will be on the “watchman’s” head. (v.6)

There is a great need in the body of Christ for a “watchman” and this website is doing a great job of sounding the alarm. The reason I bookmarked this site and started to participate is because as a Pastor, I am on the front lines of a great divide in the church. This divide is there whether we will admit it or not. The battle lines are between orthodox, true christianity , and heretical teachings we see and hear from the pulpit pimps and their minions.

Saddened Christian:

Have heard about the corrupt leadership of Turning Point sense you left? How can a certain person help others get control of their emotions IF they have violate anger problems?

In God’s eyes, any man who fights, pulls out a knife, etc should not be on the Deacon’s broad or any other ministry!

When church leadership is corrupt, they’ll sweep incidents under the rug and keep on movin’. So who’s really in control God or the devil?

Reader who made a comment about a knife, if you provide your sources, and the information if relevant, I will present your post. But right now it borders on gossip/hearsay. God don’t like gossip.

Melvin

What? Huh, I’m confused Melvin, “God don’t like gossip”, what are you doing? I know you can’t wait to get the so-called Deacons name so you can dog him out just like you do everybody else. I must be dreaming. I have figured it out, you are messed up!

I’m not calling any names. Check with your contacts at FBCG. Some of the clicks probably know about the incident. I verified my information with a staff member. Neither one of my sources had any reason to lie.

God sent Jesus to teach us to love. Jesus never had a job, a wardrobe, not even a decent pair of sandals, he never had a house, and he did have friends. He chose strangers from the sectular world and called them Brother. If these so called Spiritual organizations ( I dare not call them churches) would support the cities communities with real care and real love, we could build real Christians. They could take a care payment and feed 5 families. Sell a car and rebuild a house. That’s what God and His Son Jesus has creted and sustained us for. There is a comment in the Bible about a rich man….”It will be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man…….you know the rest.

Sonya and Anonymous,

I have been reading this post and I find it interesting how personal you are taking things. I assume that you take it personal for a couple of reasons; first, you may feel it personally attacks you because you attend this church. Second, you must really luv your pastor.

Well, those are good reasons to get offended if that was the whole of the story. But, how come it seems as if the accusation that someone could be lying about the God that you serve doesn’t raise indigination or investigation?

I find it interesting that people run to the defense of millionaire preachers that apparently don’t invest enough time and effort in present a Gospel that is sound and solid.

Think about this, they say, “where there is smoke, there is fire.” How is it that Melvin can repeatedly address Jenkin’s bad decisions, and have them validated by others that have or still attend?

What is more offensive, someone calling Jenkins a pimp or Jenkins saying Jesus HAD to go to hell?!?

You got mad because someone posted that people who attend Jenkin’s church are going to Hell. Guess what - Jenkins friends feel the same way!!! They (the oneness preachers) will tell you that you serve a “three-headed monster!” That’s what oneness (Jakes, Noel Jones, and co.) think about Trinitarians. I don’t see you expressing any problem with that.

I would bet you that John Jenkins visits this site and has read the posting, the allegations, etc. How come it seems you take more offense than he does? He probably doesn’t care what Melvin or anyone else calls him. The sad part is he hasn’t addressed the accusation of heresy!! That is amazing! What is more offensive to a preacher than being accused of preaching heresy?

Someone pointed out that for every person that leaves FBCG, three join. That is why he doesn’t care what is being said. Its all about members, money, and status. As long as these are not effected don’t expect Jenkins to take offense to anything that is said on this site.

FYI…I grew up in FBCG with John Jenkins. I have known John Jenkins since I was about 7 years old, I’m now 38 (man, I’m getting old). I left FBGC about 8yrs ago because I couldn’t take him or the herd mentality anymore. I will tell you that John Jenkins has made some bad decisions and has surrounded himself for years with butt kissers. He rejects those who oppose his opinions, and he tends to be narcissistic…Remember Jim Jones?

Well written, well thought out, and concise comments.

Can any of the Jenkins/Bryant/et. al. sycophants do at least this well in defense of your pimp/pimpette?

Say Damagoh , if you want to contribute a posting or two to the site, I would definitely welcome it.

BTW - I am amazed at the level of intensity you people express on this site. Any thing from calling fire down on me to calling me names. and doubting my sanity. Remember, compared to these Big Dogs and Big Dog Wannabees, I am less than a pimple on one of their behinds. But I am telling the truth and I believe many of you know it. Admintting it will simply be too expensive for you. However, continuing to deny it will have eternal consequences.

Melvin

Damagoh you asked, “What is more offensive, someone calling Jenkins a pimp or Jenkins saying Jesus HAD to go to hell?!?” I believe both items are offensive. Melvin’s quote for the later part of your statement was more detailed. His particular version was HERESY.

Damagoh, I appreciate your openness and honesty. It’s really shameful to see how so many Christians are spiritually blinded to the truth concerning God’s word and what He expects. As someone stated before, too many Christians become emotionally attached to their pastors. When that happens, they tend to be more loyal to them than GOD.

As a member, I love Pastor, and I don’t want to see him lost. But I don’t love him MORE than God. My loyalty is to GOD and He will ALWAYS come first. In the bible, Christians were repeatedly warned about false teachers and false prophets. So I’m not against speaking out in truth.

My loyalty is to the fulfillment of God’s word as stated in Jude chapter 1 verse 3: “…….I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to CONTEND earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.”

On a different note: Damagoh you felt inclined to leave FBCG. I seek God’s will and purpose for my life. He’s not leading me to leave yet. IF I had followed my flesh, I would have left a while ago. Past experience has taught me NOT to jump up and leave without God’s direction. No; I don’t vision myself at FBCG on a long-term basis. Yet I must be obedient to GOD and stay until He tells me it’s time to go.

Damagoh, I won’t use your terminology. But you were right in saying that Pastor was surrounded by folks who are extremely more loyal to him than GOD. Unfortunately, this includes ministers. The folks may try to come against anyone who stands against unrighteous decisions and Pastor’s false teaching.

Now, I won’t be swayed by the hostility I’ve discerned from members of FBCG. “NO weapon formed against me will prosper”! I’m confident in my relationship with God and who I am in Christ. My identity is through Christ not man. I know a fake smile and fake hug. I also know how to “swim with the sharks without being eaten alive”!!

Melvin’s Note: At this point, my question is “Why Bother?” The Bible says you are not to associate with those who teach heresies. If you know he teaches heresies, and there is no intention of changing, and the Bible says you are not to associate with them or help them to prosper (giving your time, talents, and treasures), then what else would indicate that you should leave? A vision induced by a bad piece of sausage? Remember, if you don’t leave a lie when you detect it (and you say you have), you run the risk of having your senses dulled to the truth. If you have a wife and children, you are exposing them to the heresies as well. Do you really think you should do that?

Hanging with John is not an indication of your love for him. Remember, the wounds of a friend are better for you than the kisses of an enemy.

Interesting that no one had a comment to Ralph Hodge’s suggestion about praying for all of these men of God. What does that say about Melvin and all of his supporters?

Melvin’s Note: If nothing else, it says they can think for themselves, as I suggested in response to the comment. Why should I have to tell them to pray. They are men and women quite capable of thinking and acting on their own in obedience to the Bible. Perhaps you think they should tell everyone they are going to pray. You don’t have tell anyone. Just do it!!!

Melvin, I appreciate your concerns. Yet I don’t move until GOD himself tells me to move!!

I’m not helping anyone prosper! God’s not leading me to sow into “bad ground”, and I know God’s word. As a result, my finances had previously been re-directed elsewhere. Actually, my finances have greatly improved since I re-directed them. No; I’m not being held accountable for anyone other than myself.

Believe it or not, I’m spiritually mature enough in God and His word not to be swayed by someone’s false teaching. My biblical foundation was established BEFORE I came to FBCG. God gives me discernment. Thus, I ignore anything that’s not true!!

No; I’m not “Hanging with John”. I’m following God’s directions not man’s. God’s ways are not our ways, and His thoughts are not our thoughts.

(Melvin, please don’t be mad because I won’t allow you to run me away from my church.)

Let me first start by acknowledging that it is difficult to leave a church and church family that you have grown up with. I mean it is like leaving your own family.

Your reason for staying is not new to me. I have family that still attends, and others that have left, but still go back. I have asked them why they are wiling to stay in a place that is not a spiritually healthy place, and they respond just like you, ” God has not led them to leave.”

The part that confuses me about this response is there is no other area of there lives that they are volunteering to subject themselves to something less than right. For instance; if you suddenly found out that your direct boss was a child molestor, and he is using funds from the Job to support child porn. Ethics question, would you continue to work for this person? would you not blow the whistle on him? would you brush off his sickness and allow you kids to have sleep over at his house with his kids?

My point is, I think it is more fear of uprooting and trying to find a solid church. Why would God want you to sit under unGodly teaching week after week?

No disrespect, but your response is the same as a unbeliever telling me God has not told them to serve Christ yet, so they are going to stay unrepented. Doesn’t make sense does it? Some things are obvious and that is why God blessed us with a Brain, common sense, and free will. Its not hard to figure out that FBCG is not a healthy church.

The other thing is, people go to church for different reasons. If the reason is status, networking, music, entertainment, etc. then I can see why one could tolerate the lack of teaching. But, if you go to church to develop as a Christian, to gain insight from scripture, and to worship God in spirit and truth, I don’t see how JKJ and the rest of the nonsense can be ignored and tolerated.

jus my opinion…

So are you praying, Melvin, or are you just posting?

Melvin’s Note: As I have said on many occasions - I pray and post. The two are not mutually exclusive. What is your point?

No point. I’m just trying to understand. You don’t make sense to me.

Melvin’s Note: Just out of curiousity, what in particular doesn’t make sense?

Damagoh, you said, “there’s no other area of their lives that they are volunteering to subject themselves to something less than right.” God knows me, my heart, and my ways better than you or anyone else. I do ministry outside of FBCG. Therefore, your presumptions don’t apply to me.

I wasn’t raised at FBCG, and I don’t have any “emotional” attachments to anyone or anything there. Furthermore, I don’t receive anything that’s NOT good into my heart or spirit.

Yes; Your words probably apply to many others at FBCG; But they don’t apply to me personally. In my case, let’s “agree to disagree”…. Thanks.

Whatever: Why are you being so vague in your comments to Melvin? What are you afraid of?

Honey, what don’t you understand?

Melvin, I just read your above text: “according to the Bible are supposed to defend the faith, to discipline those who would teach doctrine ”

How can one think about defending the faith if they’re spiritually blind, OR they don’t care? When people get in their comfort zones, they don’t care about what’s going on around them. The only thing that matters to them is their happiness!

Are you a pessimistic or an optimistic? Is your glass half full, or half empty?

Melvin’s Note: Neither. I’m a realist.

Curious, thank you for sharing your opinion.

My opinion - I’m not being vague. No fear here.

You do not know me. I’m not your honey. Step off.

Melvin’s Note: I tend to agree with Curious. I asked what you don’t understand. You never actually addressed the issue. So again - what, exactly, do you not understand?

Melvin

My questions (Are you a pessimistic or an optimistic? Is your glass half full, or half empty?) indicated what I did not understand. That was the issue.

But since you agree with Curious, don’t bother. I was willing to understand you until you “tend”ed to agree with someone who approached me out of order.

Melvin’s Note: In that case, it’s not a matter of understsanding. It’s a matter of having a specific bit of knowledge. As I said, I am a realist.

God’s Elect,

Actually I don’t know your ways at all. Not trying to offend, just curious. what do you think God’s purpose is for you at FBCG?

Also, I’m interested in your answers to the questions I posed in the example of your boss.

Damagoh, you indeed are curious, huh?

Well, here’s your answer: “That’s between God and I”.

Answer to Boss question: I would pray and seek God’s will. Inspite of his sin, God may have me there to be a witness for Christ. Thus, I must walk in love regardless of his habit.

On a different note: If my salary was funded by porn or illegal funds, I’d pray about quitting!!!

True Story: Years ago, I was working a job that required me to call people for notification purposes. Eventually, I discovered we were being deceptive in what we had to say. Without advance notice, I quit on the same day! Yes; I told them I could not lie and jeopardize my relationship with God. GOD blessed with a new job on the very next day.

Damagoh, I don’t know what your motive is. Yet you aren’t talking to someone who won’t take a stand for righteousness! That’s why I expose unrighteous behavior AND false doctrine.

ATTN: Whatever

I do apologize if I offended you by calling you “honey”.

If you’re the “sensitive” type, this website is not the place for you to be. Why? You’ll be offended if you have any attachments to the ministers that are the subject of this website.

I hope you don’t mind my asking: What lead you to even visit or look at this site? Did someone refer you to it? or Did you accidentally stumble across it while trying to visit FBCG’s website?

Yes; I know it’s none of my business. Yet I’m curious because of your responses.

(Melvin, please delete this same post above that excluded Whatever’s name. Use this one. Thanks.)

Short answer: No. I don’t believe tithing is a requirement on the Christian. the believer should give where God would have him give and should give the amount God would have him give. The long answer: Take a look at the paper I posted on Tithing. Click here to see it.

Malachi 3:10 clearly states to bring the whole tithe if you want the whole blessing

(Melvin’s Note:  Read the article, then talk to me.  Otherwise we go around in a really pointless circle.   Malachi says to bring the tithe into the storehouse.  Is the local church the storehouse?  Read the paper.  Then talk.)

I understand they have announced some new deacons…