For all of you males at First Baptist Church of Glenarden who didn’t have the ‘nads (or ‘nadettes for you women out there) to “…ante up and kick in like men, LIKE MEN!!!” the last time, early in the morning of October 8th, the universe will provide you an opportunity to redeem yourselves.
One of the speakers at one of the ever-present First Baptist conferences, Maurice Watson, from Beulahland Baptist, had Noel Jones (a psycho-babbling Oneness preacher) come and preach to the congregation at Beulahland. Apparently, like most of the pimps and pimpettes (read here Juanita Bynum, Paula White, and Fairy God Mother Marilyn Hickey) the leader of Beulahland places a speaker’s popularity and the ability to draw a crowd over doctrinal accuracy and fidelity. At a minimum, doctrinal accuracy and fidelity just don’t matter. And now this pimp is back! He’s going to be speaking to the men at a Saturday morning breakfast!
When I spoke with Deacon Lee several months ago, it was to find out what he was going to do or say to FBCG leadership about inviting Lyle Duke, a Oneness proponent, to preach to the congregation. Deacon Lee recognized that the speaker (Mr. Duke from Virginia) was Oneness. But he (a deacon, remember) was unwilling to do what the Bible says we are to do. Instead he tried to pull the discussion away after saying straight up that he wasn’t going to say anything to anyone, at all. I described some of what happened in an earlier post here. I still feel really sorry for the good deacon. He doesn’t stand for anything.
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Who cares!
Given the Sodom and Gomorhea environment of FBCG the men’s conference will be just another “pick-up spot for the DL’s and homosexuals”!!! That place is flaming from the back door through the pulpit-pit!
Melvin,
What do you mean by “Oneness preacher”?
I was at FBCG on Sunday. I didn’t notice anything unusual in his two Sunday service messages I heard. Yet on the other hand, I really haven’t been watching his doctrine over a period of time.
Melvin’s Note: In fairness to Watson, he is not Oneness (rejects the Trinity and sees God in a modal view -the Father at one time, the Son at another, the Holy Spirit at still another). However, Watson invited a known Oneness preacher (Noel “The Weasel” Jones) to speak to his congregation. If Watson is not willing to stand for something like the Trinity, why should he be invited to speak at First Baptist? Take a look at the previous posting on Watson. Click here to see it again.
Jay,
If those issues exist (as they actually do), there’s a problem within leadership. That’s not uncommon in churches with false teachings, such as OSAS. So we need to pray and not talk about such things.
Melvin’s Note: Cut me some slack, Just Curious. I’ll allow your comment. And because I am so gracious, I will not even knock the aside on OSAS.
Homosexuality is running rapid in the church and a spirit is advising “just pray, and not talk about such things.”
Let’s see, God talk’s about such things in Deuteronomy 23:17-18.
The apostle Paul talk’s about such things in Romans 1:21-31, and
1 Corinthians 6:9-11.
Throughout the Holy Scriptures “sin” period is exposed and dealt with.
1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator…..(homosexuality is fornication)
1 Corinthians 5:12 … do not ye judge them that are within?/ The Church
The born again believer is charged of God to judge those w/in the Church not according to appearance, but to judge righteous judgment …John 7:24
1 Corinthians 5:13 … Therefore put away from yourselves that wicked person.
If repentance from dead works were being preached instead of tolerance, the person would be convicted in his/her heart and renounce the sin, and would be converted.
Remember: … Jesus came to call sinners to repentance. Luke 5:32
In the love of Jesus Christ,
Deborah
Deborah: You’re absolutely right. I repent for the thought of not exposing the unrighteous deeds in the body of Christ.
Since we’re on the subject: This has been a lingering problem in the leadership of major denominations (not just the Baptist). I’ve spoken with Christians of AME and AME Zion denominations who mentioned the problem of “homosexuality among the bishops and leaders” of those organizations.
If the church leadership isn’t living holy, they’re not in a position to set the correct standards and adequately guide the other saints. Not to mention, they’re tendency to allow homosexuals in ALL ministries (not just music ministry).
There’s a host of married women in our churches who need to get tested for HIV. Why? Their husbands (including ministers) are DL’s. Some of their husbands are sleeping with homosexuals not necessarily another DL. We can’t trust those who love us and those who are supposed to set an example.
Good job Deborah!
Exposure to the Truth always seem harsh, unloving, and divisive to those who love the Lie. Or, as the saying goes: “Truth seems hateful only to those that hate the truth!”
In the love Jesus Christ,
Deb
It’s more convenient and pleasurable for Christians (including ministers) to stay in their sin. The alternative would be to face the truth and deal with it. Just like rebellious little children, they don’t want to do that. That’s why they get mad and catch an attitude towards those who speak the truth……
Pastors who aren’t living right don’t want to pass judgment and rebuke the known sinners in the church. So they falsely teach that judgment is wrong. They know not to become a hypocrite by chastising others who have the same faults……
If a pastor is banging a sister in the church or a gay minister of music, he’s not going to openingly admit it. He’s not going to be godly enough to remove sinners from ministry roles………. If anything, they may try to cater to them by doing them favors.
Exposure to the Truth always seem harsh, unloving, and divisive to those who love the Lie. Or, as the saying goes: “Truth seems hateful only to those that hate the truth!”
The above comment is so true! Check out this verse in Rev. 21:8: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. [emphasis added]
Rev. 21:8 refers to everybody including the born again believers. Therefore, the homosexuals in Christian music industry, FBCG music ministry, and other churches will spend their eternity in HELL. The same thing applies to the fornicators, liars, enviers, heresy teachers, bittered/haters, adulterers, etc. inside Christian churches. (Galatians 5:19-21)
21:8: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 21:8 “does not” refer to, nor include the “born again believer in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that heareth my word and believeth on Him that sent me hath “everlasting life,” and “shall not” come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
But the unbeliever, that includes Satan’s ministers which are the “Tares” who also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness whose end shall be according to their works, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone which is the second death.
In the love of Christ Jesus,
Deb
Deb
You are WRONG as usual. Revelation 21:8 does include born again Christians. You’re misinterpretation of John 5:24 and other scriptures will never give you “eternal security”. Your heresy won’t get you any place other than hell. (Galatians 5:19-21)
http://www.biblical-theology.com/security/ues.htm
http://www.w65stchurchofchrist.org/05Once_Saved.htm
Romans 8:14
For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are the Sons of God.
Romans 8:16-17
The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with HIm.
I’ve read and participated in this OSAS or Lose Salvation dialouge. It’s obviouis that both sides are entrenched with their beliefs. I personally suppport the OSAS doctrine. I’m not going into that discussion because I previously shared my thoughts. The one thing I want to highlight is Romans 8:16, we can argue until the return of Christ whether salvation can be lost. The important issue is our own personal salvation. I personally can boldly declare my salvation, because the Spirit has testified to me concerning my salvation. That’s what we should focus on. Am I truly saved? Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord,” will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven will enter. We should meditate on this for ourselves.
I would like to tell Observer that he/she shouldn’t criticize Deb in such a manner. To make a statement that she’s wrong as usual is improper for a Christian to speak with another believer. 2 Timothy 2:24-26 The Lord’s bondservant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, and with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.
I was also hoping Observer could instruct me where Rev21:8 includes believers, in his/her own words. I’d rather you explain where I’m missing the mark instead of visiting a website.
21:8: But the fearful, and “unbelieving,” and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
It is impossible for Revelation 21:8 to refer to the “born again” believer in Jesus Christ.
1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and everyone that loveth Him that begat loveth Him also that is begotten of Him.
1 John 5:2 By this we “KNOW” that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1John 5:4 For whatsoever is “born of God” overcometh the world; and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1 John 5:4 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that “believeth” that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?
1 John 5:10 He that “believeth” on the Son of God hath the witness in himself, he that believeth not God hath made Him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of His Son. 1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us “eternal life,” and this life is in His Son. 1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1 John 5:13 THESE THINGS HAVE I WRITTEN UNTO YOU THAT “BELIEVE” ON THE NAME OF THE SON OF GOD; THAT YE MAY “KNOW” THAT YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, AND THAT YE MAY “BELIEVE” ON THE NAME OF THE SON OF GOD.
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come and hath given us an “understanding” that we may “know” that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
Observer,
I belong to the True and Living Jesus Christ, and “no” man may/can pluck me out of His hands, nor out from my Father’s hands. I don’t seek the approval of man, neither am I validated by man’s opinion of me but, I seek the honor that comes for Almighty God.
In the Love of the True and Living Jesus Christ,
Deb
Observer,
When you deny the eternal security of the believers, you deny the Christ of the bible and the testimony that God gave of his sons whole purpose in coming as the ultimate sacrifice and therefore you are guilty of worshiping a god of your imagination(image worship). I feel sorry for your god, he has been dying over and over again to cover your daily sins. I hope you consider yourself a Catholic otherwise you are a miserable so-called christian. You don’t know if you’re saved or lost. You’d better be keeping the law perfectly, cause if you break even a fraction of it, you’re toast. You have no peace.
Have you considered the new age religions? Something you may already believe in since you don’t believe in the Christ of the bible.
I have to chime in on this one. All I can say is that I’m SO glad that my salvation is not based on what I’m able to do because if it were, I’d bust hell wide open! God is so holy and His demands are so beyond my abilities that there is no way I could meet His requirements. Thankfully, my Savior King Jesus Christ bore my sins on His body and lived a perfectly righteous life so that His righteousness takes the place of my sinfulness. Praise God!!!!
I know a lot of folks are scared of that because they think it leads to lawlessness but I’ve found that it actually leads me to desire more holiness, rather than less. Every day I become more aware of how hopeless I am without the strength of Christ. No wonder Jesus said that without Him we can do nothing! John 15:5.
My question to all that oppose eternal security, is, What is Salvation?
And Bev, that is indeed an outstanding question. I will leave the comments open for a few more comments to see what comes of your most outstanding quetion.
Melvin
I understand the reason for asking this question, but speaking from over 30yrs in COGIC(born and raised, thank God for being chosen and finally being delivered out of that blindness) churches opposed to eternal security don’t understand the doctrines of the bible systematically! They don’t understand how all of the bible is intimately connected. The Bible, to them, is not a whole truth but individual scriptures taken out of context for proof and badly misinterpreted at that. Theres is a doctrine of works salvation. Some of the golden rules are ‘ if it’s worth havin’ it’s worth workin’ for’. Oh, and don’t forget this one, ‘Christ did all he was going to do, now it’s up to you’, or,’ he made one step now you have to do the rest’. Then they call you up after a so called gospel message and have you to ’seek’ god(notice the little G) by repeating thank you Jesus until…. Melvin and I share a lot of
similarities in how God guided our paths to the truth.
God Bless
“churches opposed to eternal security don’t understand the doctrines of the bible systematically! They don’t understand how all of the bible is intimately connected. The Bible, to them, is not a whole truth but individual scriptures taken out of context for proof and badly misinterpreted at that.”
Strange, that is exactly what I see in churches that are “for” eternal security! You can read it into the Bible, but without doing so, you can’t get it out of the Bible!
Just because you found one church to be poor at defining and defending their position does not prove Eternal Security to be true in the least.
“When you deny the eternal security of the believers, you deny the Christ of the bible”
Utter nonsense from someone who can’t tell the difference between faith in Christ and faith in a doctrine! The only one worshiping an idol is you! Shame on you for substituting Gnosticism and assent to its man-made doctrine as the basis of your salvation! You claim “grace” but have the most graceless attitude towards those who do not accept your false doctrine. While I see your doctrine as false and dangerous, I do not consign you to hell for not believing as I do. It appears that faith in Christ is not the criteria of salvation for you; there is a serious lack of grace in what you believe, substituting assent to a doctrine for salvation, and not faith in Christ. I feel sorry for you!