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I love it! Thank you for saying this is a dangerous site. I’m getting the impression it is having something of an impact. I stopped trying to be popular a long time ago. Better to please Christ than men.

But a couple or three things:

1. I was not saying a single church goer should kick someone out. Saying that doesn’t even make sense. Rather, a single church goer, if he knows irrefutably (no Gaydar inputs allowed) that something is going on, should confront another church goer (in keeping with Galatians 6:1,2 - he who is spiritual, not ‘he who has been ordained or licensed by the pastor”). And the initial confrontation should be for the purpose of restoring the brother (or sister). However, if the brother doesn’t want to turn, then the situaltion should be elevated. If when confronted by the leadership, the person refuses to modify their behavior, then they should be removed. If, when the person who discovered the aberrant behavior takes the problem to the leadership, the leadership flatly refuses to do anything, the “he who is spiritual” should leave that particular organization. It should be obvious at that point that leadership is simply playing at church.

2. I’ve condemned no one. I have, however, stated that they are not speaking or acting in accordance with scripture. And I would ask again: What have these four anonymous people DONE that is so bold? The only thing I can see is they have said “we can detect a homosexual when we see one (Gaydar). But even when we detect one, we are not going to actually DO anything about it. This is at variance with 1 Cor 5, Galatians 6, and others.

3. Your attributing such a wicked motive to John’s faulty teaching seems more judgmental and condemning than anything I have said. I don’t believe I have ever accused him of manipulating you in order to excuse open sin. But at least you recognize that the result of turning from sound doctrine is an acceptance of sin. Much of what you have said in your post is at best hearsay and at worst gossip and slander. Yet you pass it off as some revelation from God. I don’t know if what you have said is true or not. I feel a little soiled posting your comment. But my webmaster keeps telling me I should either post everything in a person’s comment or delete it altogether.

4. If you are considering whether or not to leave First Baptist then let me encourage you to leave. If you stay, having yourself clearly identified some serious difficulties, you will end up like Deacon Lee - no matter what happens, you will find a reason to stay. The Bible says that you are to get out from among them. If you’re waiting for a bad piece of bacon to speak to you, you may be there and expose your wife and children to more really bad stuff. You have already bought into some of the more useless mystical foolishness.

By the way, the divine move of God doesn’t have to be the ground opening up and swallowing the building, or striking this or that person dead. It could be nothing more than people walking away from the organization, leaving only the unsaved to play at church. But you have to act and not simply pontificate and posture.

While I’m certainly NOT God, here is some direction: LEAVE WHILE YOU HAVE THE WILL TO DO SO!

By the way, this is the last comment for this posting. The comment section is now closed.

Since Apostle Paul did not call any name, he does appear to be addressing the congregation at large. In verses 2b, 7, and 13b, Apostle Paul tells them to remove the “sexually immoral” person from their church. So there’s no doubt Paul is essentially saying, “put the homosexuals/DLs out of your church or ministry”!

Yet there’s an unspoken question: Was Paul telling “any” saint in the church to approach the sinner and toss him out? That answer is not legibly clear (in scripture). So it’s a matter of individual interpretation.

Although the answer is not clear, we believe Paul would like someone in “authority” to do that. In his absence, there’s got to be a pastor and other ministers present at that Corinthian church. If someone without authority approached a member to put them out, the first thing they’d say is “Who gave you the authority to put someone out of this church?!”

In verse 6, Paul makes it clear that the allowance of sexual immorality will have an impact on the entire congregation. If not addressed, this sin will spread like a disease throughout the congregation. Today, many churches are plagued by it because they failed to address the homosexuals/bisexuals when they FIRST entered the church many years ago. Now the churches are wallowing in sin!

Melvin, you have a rude habit of condemning anyone whose comments don’t align with yours. Frankly, we believe you have a problem handling the truth. In reality, Max, G, Daren, and Terry spoke the truth, whole truth, and nothing but the TRUTH (with or without scriptures).

They only failed in one sense. They failed to mention the existence of DL’s in the deacon and pulpit sections of FBCG! Once “leaven” gets into the pulpit, you can forget it. It’s extremely difficult to “purge out” bad leadership. That requires a divine move of God.

Furthermore, some pastors have used the pulpit to “manipulate” their congregations from speaking out against homosexuality and bi-sexuality. During a biblestudy, the FBCG congregation was “falsely” taught against “judgment and exposure of sin”. Last year, that was Pastor Jenkin’s attempt to keep their sins from being exposed.

Now can you see the big picture? Through false teachings, the FBCG members have been programmed NOT to speak out. That’s why their ministers can sit in the pulpit every Sunday and act like nothing “wrong” is going on.

We’re waiting on direction from God concerning our continuation of membership at FBCG.

1. You have got to be kidding me. You guys are railing on the “ministers and reverends” for sitting quietly and ignoring it. What the heck are you doing?
2. If the person responsible for the music program is an obedient Christian, why would it matter if he chose the people for his staff?
3. What are G and Daren doing that requires such boldness? They themselves say all they are going to do is “pray and fast.” How do you know the reverends and ministers aren’t doing the same thing?
4. I hate to break this to you, but the pastor is not the head of the church, or the Body. Jesus Christ is the head.

G, Daren, Max, Terry, and Anonymous: If you can’t do any better than the tripe you have presented under the guise of spirituality, don’t spend any time making comments. I doubt I will post them. It’s interesting to note that out of all the keystrokes you folks made, there were maybe three references to the Bible. And I believe you got at least two of those wrong.

As a really smart man once said (paraphrasing it slightly) , You get the church you deserve. Your church has homosexuals in leadership positions? From what you yourselves have said all you are going to do is use your Gaydar, then fast and pray about the situation Read her - sit on your fat butts and do nothing).

Finally: Max, G, terry and Daren , unless you do a bunch better than you have been doing, don’t expect me to post any more of your comments. I owe the readers better than that.

Melvin

I wouldn’t blame the saints especially within a large ministry with a host of other ministers. FBCG has a least 20 ministers including some ordained reverends. Why didn’t one of them have enough God in them to approach Pastor Jenkins about the issues?

You don’t deserve to be in “ministry” if you cannot stand up for righteousness!!! As a minister, you should be able to recognize and admonish homosexuals/DLs within your church. When you sit quiet and ignore it, that shows you have more loyalty towards man than God and His standards.

It’s common knowledge that the Music Ministry has a huge number of homosexuals. I wouldn’t be surprised if the figure is over 30%. So it’s up the individual churches to set and maintain GODLY standards. They should never leave the selection up to musicians and musical directors.

ATTN G and Daren:
I admire your boldness. People may hate and criticize you. Yet your actions are really in line with the scriptures previously given by Max. You obviously fear God not man. So no weapon formed against you will prosper. Do not leave FBCG until God is ready to move you.

ATTN Everybody:
The Bible says that Jesus is coming back for a glorious church “without spot or wrinkle”. Yet the “head” has to be right in order for the “tail” (saints) to be right. Or as Jesus would say, “If the blind leads the blind, they both will fall into a ditch”. So be very prayerful about the leadership wherever you attend church.

Or course this seems to be embedded with the belief that God is going to mystically straighten everything out.

If you left the church you described, you did a good thing. If you ever run across someone considering attending there, know that God wants you to warn them about what goes on there. Otherwise, it is like standing by the side of the road on a dark rainy night, refusing to warn the passersby that the bridge is out up ahead. Be willing to warn others.

But remember, the lack of attention to what the Bible says allows the wolves to get away with what they are doing. The sheep stand around waiting to get sheared because they don’t know what their responsibilities are or they choose not to act on them. A pastor who sleeps with the young girls is no pastor and deserves only to be turned out. And if they are young enough, he should be locked up.

But all of this depends on a sound view of the Bible and an understanding of what it says. None of the people who have been commenting here and in the Down Low posting seem to have those qualities. I could be wrong. Perhaps some of you out there could show me where I am mistaken.

Melvin

By the way anonymous, did you even read this posting (Whose Blood is on Your Head)? Or are you simply drawn to the salacious?

Melvin