Normally, you would expect a prophet to speak about God and our need to turn away from ungodliness. You would expect a prophet (okay, or a prophetess) to correct and scold those who are not being obedient to God in their day to day living. You might even expect a prophet to rail against ungodly behavior and encourage us to live righteous lives. That’s what you would expect. Give these quotes (they’re all apparently from the mouth of Prophetess Bynum, a read and see what you think.
Take a look at these quotes and see if you can see any common thread in them.
“Pick up the phone! Pick up the phone! Come on! God’s talking to you!…It’s your night for a divine release! You say, ‘Woman of God,it’s my last $1,000.00′ It ain’t your last,it’s your favor! It’s your favor! If you’re watching by television tonight you may have nothing but $20.00 in your pocket. You better put it in an envelope,run down the street to the mailbox! Put it in the mailbox! Because you got to release something from your house tonight! Tonight is divine release! Tonight is divine release!…Tonight is divine release! I’m talking to you single mother. Every single parent,God dares you to sow a seed of $300.00. It’s your divine release seed! You ain’t got no place to turn! Come on! You’re one check away from a divine release!”
(Juanita Bynum, TBN, “Spring Praise-A-Thon,” April 8, 2005)
“…You got a $1,000.00 in your checking account and you right at the last bit. But I promise you,if you turn it over to God and give it to God,He said, ‘By 12 o’clock midnight the waters are troubled for you.”
(Juanita Bynum, TBN, “Spring Praise-A-Thon,” April 7, 2005)
“The Holy Ghost has already spoken to me that there are 7,000 people that are watching right now. 7,000 people that God said, ‘I’m requiring that you release this seed of divine release.’ And you watch and see. You release that seed by 12 o’clock midnight and God will begin to turn it around!…God said, ‘By midnight tonight divine release goes into operation!’”
(Juanita Bynum, TBN, “Spring Praise-A-Thon,” April 7, 2005)
Your miracle is attached to what’s in your pocket right now! You’re trying to hold on to it, but God sent me to tell you to, ‘Let it go! Let it go!’”
(Juanita Bynum, TBN, Fall Praise-A-Thon, November 1, 2004)
“I’m going to get my seed in the ground because what I make happen for somebody else, God is going to make happen for me. Pick up the phone! I don’t care if the lines are busy for half the night. Keep on trying! Put it on redial! Put it on redial! Tell the Devil that, ‘I got an emergency! I need something! I need something from God and God needs something from me!’”
(Juanita Bynum, “Daystar Fall Share-A-Thon,” September 21, 2004)
Here’s a picture of the woman making all of these quotes. I’m sure you know her. She’s Juanita Bynum- The Midwife Prophetess.
You’ll have to excuse the little spot on her eyes. At first I thought it was defect in my graphics software. Every time I put one of her pictures up, it has that little glint in it. I was kind of worried. But after reading her nag, I got to thinking. Maybe it’s not a glint. I fired up my super-duper image processing software (Okay, so it’s just Paintshop), magnified the area around her eyes and got the surprise of my life. If you click on the picture of her, you can see what I saw.
Thanks again to Deb in Atlanta for getting this information.
By the way, it looks like the Paulks in Atlanta are acting up again. More to follow on them.
wasn’t she asking for money to give to a charity? thats not so bad is it?
I first was intoduced to Sis. Bynum during her series of preaching “No More Sheets.which was one of her best ministering dvds..since then I have watched her in the past few years compromise her standard of holiness. She was recently on TBN’s Beg A Thon, declaring that she had a word for the nation, as I sat and listened and awaited to hear this “prophetic word” that God had charged her to preach to the nations, it was a word for a people to give thousands to support TBN.. I then was convinced that she is has drifted off course. she is talented and a great actress and can make you believe that she is so spiritual and deep.. and can get so emotional that that spirit of emotionalism overpowers her audience. And what I dont undestand is that all of the preachers who attend TBN’s Beg A Thon if each one of them gave $10,000 there would be no need to raise money.Where God guides he provides. Trickery,deception and emotionalism are the means by which many of these people use to bewitch the people.and unfortuantly most believers dont know or study the scriptures and can be eaisly brainwashed by the twisting of the scriptures and the so called “fresh revelation” that these prophets claim to have gotten directly from God. Suprizingly many support these prophets and have gave millions of dallars to help them build their personal multimillion dollar empires..thinking that if they give..they will get some kind of blessing or favor..Overall we need to expose these people that people are not decieved into thinking that these folks hear from God..
Dear Elder Carle:
I actually saw bits and pieces of Ms. Bynum’s “show”, and it only confirmed what we all know, and that is, she is a false prophet!
TBN has a trend that most people don’t pay attention to. If you notice that whenever they desire to raise money, they ALWAYS have the biggest, most popular “Black” preachers on with their “Revelations”.
I use to wonder why, and then I discovered that for the most part, and especially in cities like Atlanta and Dallas…and even here in Southern California, their audiences are predominantly African-American.
Another “Secret” is that statistics will show that by and large Black people give more money than our white brothers and sisters; of course there are some exceptions when it comes to the millionaires that come on TBN.
However, on the average, Black people will give more money and what better way to get our money than to invite a prominant Black, word of faith preacher?
That is why a site like “pulpit-pimps is really needed! While people are in the dark will criticize what is being done through this website, I believe that God is using this medium to bring to our attention the need to become more discerning.
Let’s pray that the few of us who have good sense will help those who have been “ensnared” by this evil cult that has invaded the Christian church.
Blessings to All!
BT
“TBN has a trend that most people don’t pay attention to. If you notice that whenever they desire to raise money, they ALWAYS have the biggest, most popular “Black” preachers on with their “Revelations”.
I use to wonder why, and then I discovered that for the most part, and especially in cities like Atlanta and Dallas…and even here in Southern California, their audiences are predominantly African-American.”
BT, dont’ leave out famous entertainers and sports atheletes. (i.e. Patty Labelle, Dieon Sanders and Hammer)
BTW, Villiam11 informed me about an hour long special on TBN (its actually on their website under “Video Archives”) where Patti Labelle performed. Let me tell you that it wasn’t short of a disgrace. She has a Gospel Cd coming out called “The Gospel according to Patti Labelle”. Interesting title, given the fact that she openly admitted that she only did it as an experiment, but she’s still doing secular music. Some of the featured artists on her “Gospel” album is Kanye West and Concequence (from a Tribe called Quest) along with a few others. It was strange how everyone just went right along with all of the garbage that she was saying, especially the host ‘Bishop George Bloomer’. I wonder did anyone else have a chance to see this?
its the Monday November 13, 2006 Performance
http://www.tbn.org/index.php/2/37.html
(MN: I hhad intended to mention the fact that Kanye West is one of the performers. Remember, this is the fellow who posed as Jesus and said the New Testament should have been about him. )
Melvin, if you would let me reply to this.
I have noticed that since the incriminating evidence against Paul Crouch Sr in regards to his homosexual relationship with Enoch Lonnie Floyd quite a few of the white pastors and leaders have not been seen on TBN. I believe out of speculation that they wanted to distance themselves from Mr. Crouch.
The fact to the matter is this, TBN was not originally designed for the black community. For the longest time the only one they had on there was E.V. Hill. It slowly progressed into what it is today. Paul Crouch was or is a part of the Assemblies of God which came from the Churches of God in Christ, Memphis, Tn under Charles Harrison Mason. Besides all that they have to depend now on the black christians to keep the stations going. I agree with you, thank God for Pulpit-pimps.Org
Since I have learned that Melvin likes facts take a look at this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Crouch (MN: Wikipedia is not necessarily a “high quality” reference. I generally don’t use it to support many statements. However, the LA Times did run a story that you can see here. The site (Trinity Foundation) also has some other information that may be of interest. However, remeber that I don’t necessarily agree with all of the contents of the site. )
I will remember that next time Melvin, thanks for giving clarity. Peace
the holy spirit is of truth look like you guys can’t handle the truth
So which aspect of the truth do you think I can’t handle?
Truth like (MN: I’d prefer not to put these out here. Though I did mention them once before. ) of course
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I should get a T-Shirt made up that says:
You can claim the Holy Spirit said anything you want, but that does not mean you’ve got the scripture to back it up!
Another brother found enough sad videos of Bynum and Weeks to make you puke.
They are just NASTY.
The bible declares that we should touch not the anointed and do our prophets no harm. Watch what you say in this hour! If you don’t understand something go to the Lord in prayer, but keep your mouth shut. Gossip never one anyone to the Lord, but the bible delcares that Love and Kindness have I (Christ) drawn thee (you and I)
This is a typical and unbiblical response to what is really going on.These people are not saved or men of God for if they were they would take correction from the holy spirit and cease from their doctrinal errors.Please read that scripture in it’s proper context to see what it really means.Heretics are not annointed they are false teachers that christians have a biblical duty to call out.
Actually like God said there are vessels of honor and of dishonor. You can not even repent without God giving it to you.
Be watchful of what you say my people
Is this a scare tactic? Just curious. Dee M. You are not an assistant Master Prophet are you?
The Bible says that whatever foundation your house is built on will determine your walk’s outcome. If it is a “Kingdom made of man”, than surely it will fall! God said that ALL man’s/woman’s works will be tried by fire. The fire is to burn the impurities out of your life. If the Kingdom is made by God and He dwells there, than no matter what happens that person will stand on the foundation. Jesus said, ” Judge not, lest you be judged, for the same judgement you judge another with, will come back on you. It takes 24 and more hours in a day to make sure we are aligned with God’s word and have a renewed mind. Juanita Bynum is in the hand of the Father, if she is in error than it will come to light, for those who try to do the Holy Spirit’s job..well I have never known the “Help along side” to ever need help! We need the “Helper”. “By this will the world know that you are my disciples, and that is that you love one another as I have loved you! (UNCONDITIONALLY) Psalm 34 always!
Mary, are you joking?? If you are WAITING to see if Juanita is in error (meaning you can’t recognize the blatant error right in front of your face), you don’t know enough Bible to evangelize anybody.
Evangelist Mary Alford, go read 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 and get a clue!
Man not another “judge and not be judged” post. I guess we can’t tell a hooker she’s a whore because we we are not supposed to do the work of God. Well the bible says we are to rightly divide the word and to mark and avoid those who cause divisions (i.e. false teachers).
It is our biblical duty to expose heretics and defend the faith. It is amazing how folks ignore the fact that the holy spirit is the one who convicts and guides those who contend for the faith yet we accept it when these phonies say he told them to tell us to give the pimps all of our money.
if she is false The Almighty God would have punish her, Because the bible says God is the one that Judges however if she is false using Gods name in vaine she is in a danger point and i dont believe God would look after her till now.
i know deply that God is with her and she is the one i would like to be if i grow up.
Juanita go on and stay still for Christ because now is a temporary pain but there is a forever peace same where. 2 corithians 4
Anonymous………please find someone who knows the Bible to look up to.
you all are going straight to HELL!!! with the DEVIL!!! GOD SAID JUDGE NOT ARE YOU WILL BE JUDGED.. WHO ARE YOU?? LOOK AT YOUR MESSED UP LIFE A FOOL IN HELL…
(MN: So if we are going straight to hell for judging, that means you are…? )
A PLEA TO ALL MEN OF GOD. Evangelize your wives, sister, daughters etc. The spirit of Eve seems to be running rampant.
Melvin,
You better listen to Sharon. Just look at her name, it’s “Apostle” Sharon. Haven’t you learned anything yet. Touch not thine anointed.
Kyle
hi aljonathan,
i’ve heard of a jezebel ’spirit’ but not an eve ’spirit’- can you elaborate, please?
(MN: From Scripture. I assume both of these are “spirits” in the likeness of the spirit of the anti-christ. )
If this apostle person don’t have a man of God to evangelize to her, considering her wrongful position, then show her what you got? Also not every professed men of God are men of God. As a woman , I don’t let everybody evangelize to me. I check it out.
Sharon………that was a pretty impressive display of absolute gibberish. I’m not surprised you didn’t tell us why from SCRIPTURE you object, since Scripture (if you actually knew any) would have made it clear you are not an apostle and that Junie is a wolf.
Ms Mav, There is no “biblical” spirit of Eve per se, but there is a spirit that seems to be running rampant in the body of Christ. I call it “the spirit of Eve” because like Eve in the garden of Eden, she tried to rationalize with Satan the commandment her husband had told her that God commanded him directly. Eve was away from her husband when she was deceived and we know the rest of that conversation with the serpent. In today’s church we have the same thing, women who are not under or respect the covering of their husbands or male leadership and wanting to be in leadership roles. Now to be fair to the ladies, the men HAVE took a backseat to women and should be revived also.
I work for a local utility company and I get calls all day with women calling for their husbands/boyfriends conducting business that sometime they know little of, while in the background the husband/boyfriend/significant other is ranting and raving. Sometime I have to ask to speak with them since they are so verbal in the background, AND SOME REFUSE, yet they would rather put the ladies out front.
Their is a spirit of Jezebel but I believe there is a spirit of Eve also. I made a statement to a member of a former church that the church has become feminized and boy did I get an ear full of venom. That same woman’s husband was in the men’s group that I headed and we had it out one night at a restaurant because I was trying to get the men to step up to the plate and his words were, “it may not be our turn yet” and I almost lost it. This man had lost his voice in his own house and his wife was trying to be on the ministerial staff and sometimes preached while the Pastor was away. Now, let me also add that the pastor’s wife basically held the same position and she was clearly the most repected person in that church as far as spiritual leadership. And as expected, we parted ways but my wife stayed. Now I had a dilemma but I had to show my wife that I was not coming back as the women began to whisper in her ear about how I was wrong and “he will be back girl because I remember when my husband …..” (you know the rest).
So my plea to the Godly men, study your bibles, keep your wives from the T.D. Jakes of the world, because if you don’t evangelize and study with them, Some other man(the serpent) will.
BTW, my wife’s tenure at that church lasted about 9 more months. As she looks back, she sees what I saw. Some men cave in to witchcraft(sexual escpecially) while others fear embarrasment from family and friends, but I stood firm.
(MN: I’m glad yours finally saw it. It’s been around seven years for me. )
A woman can not be an apostle. 1 Tim2:12-15 Paul says: I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence (in the church). For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and love and holiness with sobriety.
FDM,
I dare not limit our God when stating what anyone of His creation cannot do in His name. The word of God is clear that there is “neither male nor female” in God’s world. In addition, the last time that I read my Father’s word, we are all included in the “royal priesthood” under Christ. As a result, all of us have the authority and ability to carry out the duties of priests of the most High God. Finally, if God can use a donkey to minister to a man, I am sure that He can use the female human form. Remember that Paul was speaking to a particular situation in a particular place within I Timothy. (MN: He was generally speaking of a specific situation in a specific place in almost all the letters. Based on your logic, we should get rid of everything. ) There are far more scriptures that support God not being a “respector of person” than the one that addresses a specific group of women in a specific church. I become very concerned when I hear comments like this due to the fact that God has used, can use, and will continue to use whomever He chooses to further the kingdom if they are willing….and guess what, I am sure that a woman will be one of His messengers. (MN: No one is disagreeing that God can use women to further the gospel. The issue is that of pastoring a church. )
Now, having said all of this, I believe in God’s order within this realm, but I trust His omnipotence even more.
(MN: Ah, that sounds so spiritual [I dare not limit our God....] DO we really have to go down this road again? If there is neither male nor female in the sense you are using it, then it should be okay for men to marry men, since God is no respecter of persons. It should be okay for women to marry women. And since God used a donkey to “minister” to a man [he didn't really, but let's leave that alone for a minute], it must be okay to hire a rooster to preach on Sunday mornings. Oh, and since Samson was a whore mongering reprobate and he was a judge, it must be okay for a whore mongering reprobate to be pastor…since God can use anybody. Or maybe we should hire a prostitute (it shouldn’t matter if the prostitute is male or female since God is not a respecter of persons) to be the assistant pastor and head of the music ministry. God used a donkey to minister to a man, surely he can use a male prostitute to minister to men too. And after all, God is no respecter of persons - or species apparently.
Does this extension to your much abused logic sound anything close to right? Probably not.
And let me get this straight - because God is omnipotent, you believe He will contradict His own word?
But to not simply leave you empty handed, go back and look at the “neither male nor female” mantra and the context in which it is used. As the apostle is using the phrase, he’s talking about SALVATION. We all, whether Jew, Greek, male, female all come to Christ the exact same way - through faith. And yes, we are all of the royal priesthood. So does that mean a seven year old who accepts Jesus Christ should also be a pastor - since we’re all a part of the priesthood?
Please rethink your position. You’re making yourself look awfully foolish in front of a bunch of folks. )
Epiphany, the church really needs to stop taking scripture and twisting its meaning to justify women pastors or having authority over men. The Scripture “neither male nor female” is talking about salvation. Paul was not talking about a culture thing in Timothy; God’s order has everything to do with the nature of why He created man and women, for Paul took it back all the way to the garden of eden concerning that particular scripture.
As a young female, I am very sadden that the feminist movement has crept up in the church. When females give thier reasons for having authority over men, they never have any biblical foundation for it and if they try to give biblical reasons, they just twist the scripture.
It has opened my eyes to see that these rebellious famales pastors hate what God has created them to be- “help meet or the completer, to teach the younger girls, and to help the men who are in authority with their ministry, so the men can be what they ought to be.
This situation reminds me of Lucifer, for he hated what God has created him to be; he wanted to be equal with God- Isaiah 14:14 “I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the most high” and to me, these females who want to be ordained bishops and pastors and who go against Gods word to fulfill that need of the flesh are not any better. They are doing just what Lucifer did- They don’t want to be what God has created them to be; they want to be equal with the men in authority despite the fact its God over Jesus, Jesus over man, and man over women.
I am tired of people using the scripture in Timothy as if it is restricting women to contribute to the kingdom of God. In Romans 16, Paul mentioned a lot of women who made a contribution to the kingdom of God within biblical standards. They did not tell Paul and the others to get out the way, for we are taken over.
Does God fellowship with women? yes he does. Did God call women and men? Yes he did, but for different purposes.
All of my years in church, I noticed that not to many women are doing what God has called them to be, which is to teach the younger women how to be Godly women: modest clothing, being submissive to their husbands, teaching the younger girls, bible study and witnessing to others, How to raised their children, being the Holy Spirit of the home etc.
Well, God is the same; he does not change, so nobody could convince me that he is doing a new thing with these females pastors and He is still using them despite their rebellion. Yes she is on the pulpit, she has wisdom and it looks spritual, it looks anointed, but it is coming from the earth, not from heaven. I am not convince that the Holy spirit is participating in the very thing it has spoken against. God’s word is complete, it is finish. I don’t know a God that changes the rules to meet our flesh.
I believe that there is a consequence for disobedients, and I believe that the consequence for allowing women to take on authority position in the church is that “young females are fallen through the cracks and the home is fallen apart”
All my years at College, I have never heard the Female Chaplin speak on the role of a Godly women, but there was often too many times I heard female pastors bragg about how the Lord encouraged them to divorce their husbands, so they could lead a church- this is such foolishness. I believe women who are agianst such authority whether in the home or in the church are a group of confused women trying to find happiness and failing because they are searching outside of God’s word and God’s plan.
In a place that women rule, men are incapible of ruling.
American’s churches, homes, marriages are being destroyed by the fiminist agenda. Feminism is not about women rights, or equality, its about rebellion against God’s word. The worldly women have used “womens rights” as a foundation to push the feminist agenda and sadly, many christian women have fallen into the trap and allowed the movement into the church, and the men who sit back and support women authority in the church also.
And to conclude this, for those who want to say that” there are not enough men leading. so the women have to lead,”- this is no reason to go aganist God’s word. The last I read where Deborah lived, they lacked male leadership, but is there anything to hard for God. Our Father sent Deborah 10,001 men to lead the war.
The scripture should judge our experience; our experience should not judge the scripture.
(MN: Epiphany, I understand what you are saying. But rather than dancing around in endless circles, do this: Read the two essays here and here on women as ELDERS in the church. After you have read them, address the arguments. Please don’t ignore them and give the non-answers most folks who promote women as pastors give. Both essays give very specific arguments. Please provide very specfic rebuttals. Address the issues. Stating “I know in my heart that God can use women as pastors” is not addressing the arguments. Failure to address the points in the papers will, unfortunately be an indicator that you are not really allowing Scripture to speak for itself. Religious noises are certainly fun to make, but their result, ultimately, is a defiance of Scripture. )
Melvin,
After reviewing your commentaries to my commentaries, I still hold fast to the fact that God will use whoever He chooses to complete whatever assignment that He chooses. To say that God would “contradict” His word in permitting a woman to be a pastor is like saying that He contradicted His word when He told Abraham to kill Isaac, or when He told the daughters of Zelophehad to not only challenge Moses (a male spiritual leader), but to also challenge the laws related to inheritance that He had commanded to the children of Israel (Numbers 27:7). Under the law, women had no standing or rights to any inheritance.
What about what Paul commands to slaves of that day in Ephesians 6? We know that slavery is wrong and that many of our ancestors went against Paul’s commands to be free as they felt God had intended….Harriet Tubman, Sojournor Truth, Nat Turner.
How about what Paul says about being subject to the governmental authorities in Romans 13? We all know that the government has instituted unjust laws which we, as followers of Christ do not honor. You know that civil disobedience thing that Martin Luther King, Jr. died for.
And what about Deborah (Judges 4), who was a WOMAN that served as a judge over ALL of the people of Israel..men and women. As the judge, SHE commanded Barak’s strategic plans for 10,000 soldiers, which SHE had received from God. Having said this….what if Barak and the 10,000 soldiers had taken the position of a woman is not to have authority over a man in the natural or the spiritual… remember, the bible not only refers to her as a “judge” -political/judicial authority, but also refers to her as a “prophetess”; the female counterpart of a “prophet”-spiritual authority, you know the ones that I refer to: Samuel, Ezekiel, Daniel, and many others.
The “prophets” were the spiritual authorities of that time and those that acknowledged them as prophets or prophetesses subjected themselves to the God-ordained authority.
With all due respect Melvin, I would rather look foolish in front of a “bunch of folks” as opposed to being foolish in front of God when I see that His word supports women that operate in His kingdom at EVERY level. It is only man that limits. Once again, I will restate that there has been a grave misinterpretation of Paul’s comments. After reading his words in the context of the time period and truly understanding the nature of the immorality that was going in regarding pagan worship by temple prostitutes and the such, then one can understand that Paul was rebuking a specific group of women for their un-Christ-like actions within God’s house. There are more instances of Paul praising holy, anointed, gifted and called women that taught and worked in the church than instances of him rebuking women.
I encourage you all to continue to pray and search the scriptures THOROUGHLY before making such detrimental statements as to WHO God will call to do WHAT. He cannot contradict His own word, only we can misinterpret it when we fail to fully understand the content of His word within the proper context.
Finally, besides, the position that you are taking regarding women as church leaders is the same position that the opposition to exposing the sin of church leaders take everyday on this website….you know that “touch not mine anointed” and “be subject to your elders” and “tithing” and on and on. We all put those scriptures in the proper and spiritually balanced context with the rest of God’s word in order to support our obedience to God revealing His truth to us regarding pimpery.
We must do the same in this instance.
http://www.circleofchristianwomen.com/women_pastors.htm
God id not pleased at what is going on right now in the body of Christ and He will bring everything in order! because He is a God of order and principle and He will not let His word be misused much longer
I would give Ms. Bynum (and the others of her ilk) the benefit of the doubt. She may actually believe what she is saying. Not enough to actually try it herself, but enough to get others to try it. Sadly, Reverend Ike in the 60’s did the exact same thing, but most people got wise after a time of “pie-in-the-sky promises” and realized that while they worked every day for poverty incomes, this bejeweled preacher was buying cars and boats with the offering money. As a son of a preacher I certainly don’t begrudge the ox being allowed some of the corn he treadeth out, but to promise others the EXACT type of riches using completely different methods, i.e. working, tithing is blatantly dishonest. Certainly all the big names in WOF ministries tithe, can you imagine the outcry if they did not? But it is VERY easy to tithe when every single week you have income that far exceeds the basic annual income of the normal parishioner. They would tell you that it is harder to tithe with a check for 20,000 ($2,000) than to tithe with $200 ($20). Sounds good, but the problem is, that $180 left for the week of groceries, rent, gas, utilities needs to stretch a LOT further than the $18,000 they have left for the exact same needs. Sure, his house is 20 times bigger than yours is, but does it HAVE to be? One preacher said God looks not at what you give, but what you have left. If that is true, then may Ms. Bynum, Mr. Jakes and Mr. Bryant should give the $18,000 and try to squeak by on $2000 a week. I am sure that a LOT of people would LOVE to live off of $2000 dollars a week.
What I would like to say as a women of God is that any man or woman of God can miss the mark remember adam and eve we have to be careful about judging and calling it correction unless we fall into temptation our selves because God has no favorites and to me it sounds a lot like slanderous gossip one thing I would like to say is God is gonna expose all including you.Jude1:8-11what about pray4them
AMEN! Thank God that someone has discernment.
I think that we as christians need to just fix up, our behaviour and attitude where the kingdom of God is concerned is disgraceful!,
We are the body of Christ that means we are one in Christ Jesus. How can we treat our brothers and sisters in christ like this? (MN: 2 John 9,10 - What makes you think these pimps and pimpettes are Christians. If they are not Christians, then they are not brothers and sisters is Christ.)
the gospel is not about juanita bynum, you or me (Simone) its about our Lord Jesus christ!
regardless of the deception that is going on in the church, Jesus christ never gave us no authority to gossip and tear down his children regardless of our faults. (MN: Yes, he did. Read your Bible. )
The time we waste in chating crap about tom, dick and harry. We could have taken our brothers and sisters (juanita bynum, You and myself) to our heavenly farther in prayer, Jesus christ said before he was taken away to be crucified to pray that you would not fall into temptation, meaning not just to pray for yourselves but to pray for potentially great men and women like Juanita bynum, you and myself. (MN: Why do you people keep assuming that the two are mutually exclusive? And why do you keep ignoring the parts that require actual effort on our part? )
We are only human, servants of God. The bible says even the righteous fall down, but we rise up and keep rising. (MN: Let me guess: you are new to the site. You are simply repeating the same inanities the drive-by commentors usually push out here. )
It is not yours or my place to judge her, Jesus said gather the weat and chaff togeather and at the end he will do the seperating. (MN: But it is my place to judge her teachings. The Bible tells us to over and over again. )
Jesus said this because he knows what we are like (were too d*** well judgemental and always playing God in peoples lives)
He said this because he knows that we dont know a man’s heart, the bible says that Gods ways are higher then our ways, his thoughts are higher then our thoughts. Only God truly knows the heart of every man. (MN: However, we can, given a person’s activities, get a pretty good indication of what’s in there. )
Its not our place to judge juanita Bynum, were always flinging scripture around using it against Gods children (we need to stop!). (MN: It is our place to judge righteous judgment. Or did you firget that little verse. It is our job to contend for the faith once delivered to the saints. Or did you forget that one as well? )
and its not like we are using Gods word to help children of God, but its to make other christians look down on them like they are not Gods children. (MN: Wouldn’t you say that resuing the sheeple from wolves is helping the children of God? I certainly would. )
that is not the charactor of God! thats the charactor of the lieing Devil himself, thats what he does, trys to humiliate us, acusing us, using the word of God in hate and anger, not in love. (MN: Then why did He do it so much in the Old Testament and why did Christ do it so much in the NT? )
We need to dig out the nastiness thats jamming in our own hearts yea! and When weve done that we can truly fight against the enemy, stop pretending like we got victory, you now we need the check our selves, how can you we have the victory over the devil if we are talking down people, those that are saved and those who are not yet saved?????????????????????????????
Lets check our selves first!!! (MN: Yes, and I would suggest you start with Jude and other such epistles. )
God bless, luv, peace and Joy.
Your entire post was a judgement aimed, at melvin, and the rest of the good people here including myself. So your argument of not judging is self-refuting.
Either what we are saying is true, and therefore if it’s true it’s not juding, or what we are saying isnt true, and then according to your view on judging, you can’t say anything to us, because that would be judging us. Kinda just like you did.
So my question is Why are you judging us, by telling us we can’t judge?
See how flawed the you can’t judge argument is.
binks
Judge not and leave everone to him who is judge of all. Him who sees all and knows all. Pray for her and seach ourselves we will all walk away and look to God if we are true to ourselves.
I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother or sister if they are guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler, do not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. Purge the evil person from among you.
1 Corinthians 5:9-13
Bar-Jesus Refutes ALL PIMPS Acts 13
Did the apostles pray for Bar-Jesus? So in other words like Bar-Jesus you have people “pretending” to be Christians who have an “appearance” of being Christian yet practice things associated with the occult. And we are to pray for these people? People who espouse babbling and falling over. People who espouse mysticism by holding on to trinkets with special powers of favor. People who espouse numerology by claiming certain scripture numbers have special meaning. People who espouse prophetic visions that do not come to pass. Anonymous, instead of doing a drive by post I want you to read Acts Chapter 13. Please respond to this AFTER you read Acts Chapter 13. This is the prime example in the NT of an actual example of a false teacher and the correct response.
Kyle
Yes he does commend us to pray. Wait, wait…Maybe I am wrong, oh yeah it is His will that some (the elect) be saved. Not all, just the elect.
“…..not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9
God wants NONE to perish. So praying for this whom are astray is essential. But instead the haughty elect brush comes out and says, warn, warn! They are not of us!
We are of the true living God! We are of Joseph Smi…., John Calvin! Hope the grammar is ok BLD.
To Kyle,
What about Acts 8: 9-25. I believe that this is a good scripture even though we don’t know what happened to Simon.
simone, you sound like you have had too much TBN. In 2 Cor.11:13-15 Paul says this: For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. So there are false prophets out there. Also The Word of God spoken by his apostles; Jesus Christ himself being the chief conerstone judges man and reveals the intents of the heart (Christ is an Apostle and High Priest (Heb 3:1). So just because someone says they are of God does not mean that they are. Jesus’ deciples asked him about the end of the world in Matt 24 and the first thing he says is: Take heed that no man deceive you. For MANY shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive MANY. So when it is noted that someone is false it is not judging but telling the truth.
you are so STUPID! If she felt a word from God then she did! You are gossiping about a woman of God, you should be ashamed! These principles are in the bible! A first sign of christianity is being a giver! DUUUUUUUUUUUUUU! YOU CALL YOURE SELF A ELDERLY WOMAN OF GOD!
Sara…….just because someone CLAIMS to have a word from God, doesn’t mean they HAD a Word from God. The word must be tested by Scripture. What Bind’Em did has NO basis in Scripture. Giving is a principle, but it must be applied BIBLICALLY.
She ties the Gifts of God into money………find that in the BIBLE (that’s the dusty black book you use as a drink coaster).
Oh this is getting gooood! I should go get some popcorn, cause this is going to be entertaining
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Sarah Cook, there’s no harm in admitting you made a mistake at this point. TRUST ME, you would want to back off this now. Use whatever graceful means you feels suits you, but you should back down now.
The first sign of being a christian is not being a giver, it is change of heart and a change of self that comes from getting the mind that was in Christ Jesus.
As for the truth or falseness of Juanita Bynum’s words the scripture teaches in Dueteronomy 13:1-5 how to test those things and how to deal with them. To paraphrase “If a prophet or dreamer comes up among you doing signs and wonders and persuades since what they have said has come to pass, that you should turn away from the Lord your God and serve another don’t listen to them for God is testing you to see whether or not you love him fully. Serve only the Lord, cleave only to the Lord. As for this prophet or dreamer, put them to death, in this way you will drive the evil from among you.”
I am in no way suggesting that we take the law into our own hands, but let us be mindful that like many have posted these are the last days. The fact that scripturecan be quoted, used or misued is not an indication of any annointing from God. In fact I would caution everyone to be wary of those who can quote scripture but cannot apply it because the enemy knows the word better than the believer.
The wowman may be saved but just because she is saved does not mean that the enemy cannot use her if she has a foothold that will give him leverage.
No doubt some of you believe I have taken this scripture out of context, after all Juanita Bynum is not enticing us to serve other gods. Has not money become a new god? Has not our desire for money moved us from church home to church home to see what we can “get”. Moeney is the god that gave rise to the prosperity of Creflo Dollar and others like him. For those who follow God with there emotions only: don’t check your brain at the door when you come to the sanctuary because the charisma that has permiated the church is decieving many, good preching does not always make you shout.
One final comment for the poster to whom I am replying
The Pharisees and Saducees gave much money to the church but remember they also gave Judas 30 pecies of silver and delivered the savior to be crucified.
~Roz
Money is not evil, the love of money is the root of all evil. You cannot run a ministry without money. How the electricity will stay on and so forth. The bible tells you that money answer all things.
I guess Juanita wasn’t loving money when she spent $1,000,000 ON A WEDDING.
PS, the church was its most powerful and had its greatest influence when there was NO money. Then the Catholic church got LOTS of money. How did THAT work out??
Poor first century saints…………they got NOTHING accomplished in their poverty.
And as if $1,000,000 was not enough, to actually sell CD’s of your wedding for $25 each, as well as TBN running the wedding over and over as if it was a movie was disgraceful!!! Please tell me, how you can put a “price” on the sanctification and covenant of your marriage and treat it as if it is a show? TBN aired it over and over for months - go figure??? I thank God that He used that to begin to open my eyes and renew my mind about this “Thing” that we call Church.
Read your comment and then tell me that it doesn’t sound childish and disrespectful.
Sarah Cook, Anonymous,
Read my post regarding Acts Chap 13 and then hold up these Pimps compared to real men and women of God. They practice divination and other cultic practices. Surely you can’t be so mislead to believe that gyrations, hollering, babble, trinkets, false prophecies, and over excitement is of God. Stop hating on us who are the purveyors of truth. Salvation has nothing to do with this nonsense. It’s all hyper stimulation and ancient cultic behavior shrouded in Christianity. The real Christian walk is prayer, maturing as a Christian, crucifying the flesh, looking for the glorious hope of the Lords return, being a light unto the world, and becoming more Christ like. These Pimps have NO similarities to the Jesus in the Bible. They walk after their flesh. They live for man worship. They live for filthy lucre. Please start reading your Bible in totality and don’t be deceived by the snippets of verses provided by the Pimps to twist the Bible for their own ill gotten means.
Kyle
Sara Cook i agree with You more and more , i have not heard anything different from GodS WORD IN WHICH Pro.Bynum ptreached, they seem as they are GodsWatcher but i really realize they dont the bible ,blind in spirit, Lack of Gods holliness , and may they like the stupid stufs IN WHICH JUANITAH WAS WARNING THE BELIEVERS“
`SHAME ON THE PEOPLE AGAINST HOLLINESS and principle of the Bible.
you try to comvince people not to recive the Word you will Pay . read the Bible with the eyes and ears of holy ghost not THEOROGY.
what a lot of American born again christians do understant is this. Religious program especially those that have their own television and radio stations do not offtend have the commerical indosements that pay the bill for the air time. So they have to raise money to pay for all of this. I know that the message of giving has gone form a dollars to thousands and so on. But if we dont support each other who is, the world, I dont think so. I understand that there is room for spectualtion. We are one group of people that seem to devour each other.
Maybe all the money going into mass media is a sign of misplaced priorities? Broadcast to the world, while poor saints near that person broadcasting struggle. That’s the problem.
How can you justify a mass media broadcast and leave poor saints (especially the elderly) crying to government for their financial needs?
What if the church is supposed to care for the poor saints before getting a TV and/or radio broadcast?
It’s amazing how the enemy works. My question to the person who wrote this is. Why are you even watching Tbn, etc.. if you have a problem with people on the programs? If you have a problem with the way God conducts business, or if what you asked for in the past did not come to pass. (I wonder why) Then take your problem to God! Stop trying to make up things (like a child) just because you don’t agree with something. GROW UP!!!!! If you have a problem with the Kingdom, then by all means LEAVE!!! But stop letting Satan use you to take “Another third of the angels” with you!
The problem isn’t with them. The problem is with the way the sheeple are taken in. I’ve been watching it on and off for the last couple of days. And it’s all the same:
1. “You can’t come to the man of God empty handed. You have to bring a seed offering.
2. God can’t move in your life until you give a seed offering.
3. Give a seed offering and watch God move in the things you want
4. YOur faith should show itself by you giving a seed offering into this ministry.
Is God so helpless that He can’t get the Gospel out in to the world? Why didn’t jesus spend a week a year collecting money so He and His band of men could travel and “present the Gospel”? How is the time and money spent putting on the the Beg-a-Thon getting the gospel out there?
These people are pimps and pimpettes, taking advantage of poor sheeple like you, a woman who is apparently too BI (bible illiterate) to tell when she is being lied to and taken advantage of.
A pity really. You could be doing so much more, having a greater impact on the men and women around you if you simply paid attention to what God has put in the Bible and learned how to apply it in your life.
You know I was read comments, to be honest just to see how “saved” people really feel about each other. Although you may not agree with someone we can not disregard their faith and or relationship or obedience to God. True you may have some disagreements with what Prophetess Bynum is saying, but that dosen’t mean that you can see her heart or devotion to God. I am VERY SURE like you she may have made mistakes in doctorine or other areas, but let’s be honest none of use know everything and things that we may have believed trus at one time we may change our views after the “truth” is revealed to us or when receive more knowledge.
With that being said, based on what I have read in the bible as well as been taught. Seed time and harvest is in fact a principle. When we read our bible God does in fact require offerinngs, and you did not go to worship God “empty” handed. For example the bible times people offered scarifices wheather it was turtle doves, grain, what have you he had specific scarifices….now I know that you may say that was before Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice; however God doesn’t change. He also required offerings from the people grain ffering, heave offering, etc.
He does ask us for our last sometimes, do we not remember the widow women….let me bring clarity, I am not saying that he is telling everyone to give there last…but you know what he may be telling someone that.
All I am saying is you know what praise a thone on TBN is a fund raising event. And when Prophetess Bynum or anyone else is making pleas for money…it may not be to you or for you but we cannot say that she is not hearing from God…what we may be able to say is that word was not for me.
No, God is not helpless …he did create the world you know…, but he does use people and believe it or not on this earth…it takes money to live, run a tv station, or whatever.
I haven’t asked God for anything that has not come to pass and I do not watch TBN anymore. What exactly am I making up in my post…all my references are biblically sound and you can pick up the newspaper and see that money has become a new god…I don’t quite follow you Ms Trent.
Is there more than one Ms Trent on this site because I am new to this site and haven’t made any comments until mid June. Your comments to me shows 4/10/2007. If you can post any comments that I have supposedly made, I would be grateful to read it and resolve it, but I doubt if it’s me.
Forgive me Roz, I now see where there’s another Ms Trent in the name of Rashida. Have a nice day.
Huh? RaShida you have some really bad theology that I don’t even know if it is worth addressing. How can we take another third of the angels with us? Angels are Angels people are people. What exactly do you mean? We also don’t have a problem with the “Kingdom” just wolves who say they represent our Father. It goes back to slander. They are lying on our Father and decieving our brothers and sisters and all we are trying to do is prevent sorry if you are offended, but maybe you should start a blog and call it AnitPulpit-pimps.org. So you can defend them.
Mr Woods,
Rashida is tongue in cheek saying we are the Devil hence taking another 1/3. There is a lot of “hidden” insults by these sheeple. LSW being the most clever oftentimes with his sly insults and lengthy diatribes. The reason the lemmings are so coarse is because you are exposing them for what they are. You are also threatening their “so-called” blessings by questioning their beliefs. It’s all based on false hopes with vacuous teaching coupled with hyper stimulation. We here give them a dose of reality that interrupts their false hopes based on false teachings. Even a modicum of doubt about their beliefs results in their abrasive childish responses. They are like little children when you tell them you can’t have any candy.
Kyle
Selfishness in a man
No one has a problem with God and his Kingdom the only problem is the false prophets fronting that they are in God’s Kingdom, “DO YOU EVEN RECONIZE THE DIFFERENCE”. There are innocent God seeking people out here and these people/false prophets are dangerous, your comment “SOUNDS FLY” but it is harmful if some one actually listens to you, If some one who has concerns for God’s people should not watch this and just don’t complain, then why does the bible speak about false prophets, and why did Paul write all of those letters to the church - if you were around when Paul was complaining and lets say that Paul actually listened to your opinion about the false preachers you would have stop a major part the Bible from being written with your “unbiblical opinion”, God is always concerned with his church “not yours” Church Opinions” that help support the devils. You Need to Grow up in Christ’s love for his people. As believers Christ Reps. we are supposed to protect his house just like Paul Jeremiah and a host of other TRUE PROPHETS have done so in the past!!! The Bible says set a foundation for Generation to come as Paul and others did. And if you feel like that why are you on this web page in the first place, this page is for awareness of the FALSE PROPHETS!!!! not turn off the TBN channel to receive stay in the dark UN AWARNESS of the FALSE PROPHETS!!!!
IT IS AMAZING HOW PEOPLE LOVE TO ATTACK THE CHURCH OR THOSE DOING GOD’S WORK.SURE THERE ARE SOME PHONIES BUT THERE ARE ALSO SOME TRULY ANNOINTED PEOPLE OF GOD.BESIDES DO YOU THINK THAT THE WORK THAT MINISTERS DO DOESN’T COST MONEY??DUH!!! T.V.,RADIO,BUILDINGS,TRAVEL IT ISN’T FREE YA’LL,SO GET REAL.BE CAREFUL HOW YOU ATTACK GOD’S PEOPLE!!!!
Who said they had to be on TV, radio, travel and have big buildings?
Robin, you seem upset………care to show us from the New Testament where there are some folks more “anointed” than others???
Care to show us where the work of the ministry should be wasting millions on mass media rather than feeding the poor under your feet and sending out missionaries??
Care to show us the Scriptures that justify these massive church structures which are an enormous drain on resources and literally rob the poor, persecuted, and perishing of the help of God’s people??
Take your meds and get back to me.
O.K. Melvin, do we now have two Robin’s here? If so, is there any way to distinguish so we don’t get confused? Also, I certainly don’t want anyone thinking that I posted this particular comment.
You know I was wondering about that. I was thinking “is robin joking again” or is this somebody else? I just assumed it was somebody else, but decided to keep my response short.
Robin, I KNEW it wasn’t you sweetie………..no doubt about THAT
Thank you, guys. Your checks are in the mail.
New to the site so maybe a month late w/my comments. I left my church for issues spoken of here like favoritism, false prophets, greed, grand standing, and the like. I love God but refuse to join another church until I find someone who would do what Jesus did. I can’t feel the pain of a person who has a 5,000 seat arena, a mansion, limo, & private jet as they cry for more money to “reach the lost at any cost”. I’ve know better men than them who have refinanced their homes to help another out of debt…that’s the man I’ll follow.
you people should be shamed of yourselfs thats why your life is so messed up by listening to stupid people like this…who are you to judge any one… Jesus is not in to the judging business.. you all are going to hell. where all of you belong.. None of them people put a gun to your head and made you sow anything you did it because you had a choose.. now you are on line saying all these crazy things about the men and women of god…you people should burn in hell with the devil,, because that is who you are all serving!!!! Juanita didn’t make you do nothing… you used your own mined to do what ever it told you not here.. wake up people, when you point One finger , three are pointed back at you.. check your own life before you wreak yourself….
(MN: Okay. Let me make sure I understand what you are saying. I am not supposed to judge and Jesus is not in the judging business. Then you decide that we are all going to hell. Psst. I believe that was a judgment. Didn’t you JUST say we [and I assume by extension, you, dear apostle sharon], aren’t supposed to judge? IF that is the case, why in the world are you judging like this.
I don’t mind if you judge. I just wish you would be rational enough to actually be consistent. )
False Apostle Sharon, Jesus IS in the judging business, and the Bible commands us to judge the doctrine and life of those in the pulpit. But,of course you would only know that if you actually read the Bible.
NO she wasn’t asking for money for a charity. She was pimping the women watching TBN, Daystar and other money siphons.
Melvin
She was definitely raising the money for christian television.
Judgement will fall on you.
The Bible says touch not my anointed and do my prophet no harm. I strongly suggest you keep your mouth off the men and women of God. What have you done for God or people lately? Nothing I am sure.
(MN: Am I missing something? I’ve told you before that the only woman of God that I put my mouth on is my wife!
What have I done for the people of God? Helped them recognized pimps and pimpettes when they see them. That in itself is a hugely valuable service. )
As to your statement about TOUCH NOT MY ANOINTED do you think that it is POSSIBLE that they are NOT anointed? Is it possible?
we must learn to seperate the gift from its reciepients. its one thing to be anointed and its another thing to have intergrity.i think what most of the men of God lack is one of these nine letter word: integrity.
we must learn to seperate the gift from its reciepients. its one thing to be anointed and its another thing to have intergrity. i think what most of the men of God lack is intergrity.
Gabriel, the gift is never separated from the recipeint in the Bible. The gift, when exercised, is without error, despite the flaws of the prophet. Please reference the story of Balaam. He was basically a scumbag, yet when the gift was exercised, he could only speak truth.
“Touch not mine anointed….” is not applicable here. The NT tells us that there are many voices that have gone out and we are responsible to discern the LORD’s voice in all of them. Juanita Bynum manipulates people with unscriptural means and uses hyper emotional approaches which disallow for a balanced approach to the scripture.
please keep your mouth off the man and woman of GOD!!! just remember what goes around comes around.
(MN: All together now: “I only put my mouth on my wife!! [bada boom.] )
Even Caesar had to pay his army.
These pimps get paid by the people who defend them.
That pretty much defines a term, but I’m not going to give it away
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You are seeking their approval and they don’t even like you if you are poor and don’t have a big ministry. I feel sorry for who ever still thinks that they are we, most people not all, allready felt the same way “touch not the annointed” but after a while you realize that they are fronting, and no better than you or me.
I have written several comments….and none of them were posted…. I was not surprise either…I’ve come to believe that only those comments where you can use the word to your advantage are posted…Because, though you have scriptures to back your comments..there is still alot of them that doesnot…God bless you
(MN: I trust you’re happy now. )
No, actually I’m not…my comment was the one referring to TBN fulfilling prophecy, and so are you…thank you for your concern about me,though……
Love you
If you can remember it, retype it and resubmit. I assure you I never refuse to approve unless the comment is just out there. And even then, if you provide an e-mail address I will let you know why it didn’t get published. If you don’t supply an e-mail address, I publish the comment “shell” and inform you there. As I have said in the past, I’m a very benevolent dictator. The door is always opened. And unlike the Big Dog pimps and the Big Dog wannabees, you don’t have to wait three months to talk to me.
my comment is the one talking about pharisses/scribes persecuting Jesus and thought he was not the son of God..but, was wrong…If you don’t have it anymore that is fine…I was obedient to God and that’s all that matters…I dont have a problem waiting to speak to them for three months…there was a long wait for the coming messiah…and there has been a long wait for his arrival again…..Patience is important..But, you already know this…you are a walking bible..God Bless You
Anonymous (brave soul) scribbled…….
“I was obedient to God and that’s all that matters…I dont have a problem waiting to speak to them for three months…there was a long wait for the coming messiah…”
The fact that you equate the Messiah with these pimps makes the rest of your post crystal clear.
Tell me Anonymous (catchy name, BTW), if TBN is fulfilling the prophecy to reach the world with the Gospel, wouldn’t they have to be actually PREACHING the Gospel first??
Which part is the Gospel?? Merchandising Christ?? The false prophesies?? The stated desire to kill those who oppose their heresy?? The accumulation of vast wealth at the expense of little old ladies and the Biblically illiterate??
Please…………
I will say though that YOU are a fulfillment of prophesy. Let me direct you to it.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
well, I see you are a little short of scripture about the indwelling of the holyspirit and about the unbelief of who Jesus is…as far as itching ears….I am a pastor/been to school and know the word from Genesis to Revelation…not just what I need to know to defend MY cause…so talk to me about scripture….not about what you think I do or donot know…tell me about the indwelling of the holyspirit and how it relates to Jesus…and tell me about it been said/taught and acted upon Jesus not being the messiah…touch on these scriptures…you trying to sum me up is very shallow…dont go there…itching ears, etc..get something new…you’ve and your friends have quoted that so many times on this site…anytime anyone doesnt agree with you..then all of a sudden they have itchy ears..everyone’s wrong ..but you are right..(self-righteous)…you can relate to the family of spirits, right…or does it now fit into your pool of scriptures to defend your cause…post this…(self-righteous)
(Anonymous)well, I see you are a little short of scripture about the indwelling of the holyspirit and about the unbelief of who Jesus is…
(Gary) Well, I notice that you are a little short of Scripture of ANY kind. Of course, that’s why you pimp for TBN (Theologically Bankrupt Network) and Bind’em. BTW……we were discussing Juanita and TBN…….not the Holy Spirit (please capitalize) or belief in Jesus. A rather clumsy attempt at distraction.
(Anon)as far as itching ears….I am a pastor/been to school and know the word from Genesis to Revelation
(Gary) Been there, done that too.Many here have as well. So what?? If you knew the Word, you wouldn’t be defending these pimps/pimpettes. Thus far…….with your vast Biblical knowledge…….you have yet to defend anything from the Word.
BTW………..did you skip the semester dealing with grammar and punctuation??
(Anon)…not just what I need to know to defend MY cause…
(Gary) Errrrrrr……STILL waiting for some defense from Scripture from you. Your cause remains undefensed.
(Anon)so talk to me about scripture….not about what you think I do or donot know…
(Gary) Do you mean Scripture (capital “S”)??
Happy to………..you came here to defend these pimps. DO SO by Scripture.
(Anon)tell me about the indwelling of the holyspirit and how it relates to Jesus…and tell me about it been said/taught and acted upon Jesus not being the messiah…touch on these scriptures…
(Gary) Glad to…………..POST SOME.
(Anon)you trying to sum me up is very shallow…dont go there…itching ears, etc..get something new…
(Gary) Awwwwwww, shucks. Do I HAVE to?? It’s SO fitting. Perhaps instead you could explain why it DOESN’T apply considering your flaky affiliations.
(Anon)you’ve and your friends have quoted that so many times on this site…anytime anyone doesnt agree with you..then all of a sudden they have itchy ears..everyone’s wrong ..but you are right..(self-righteous)
(Gary) Wait………..isn’t it YOU disagreeing with US?? Doesn’t that make YOU self-righteous?? Everyone’s wrong except YOU, right??
(Anon)you can relate to the family of spirits, right…or does it now fit into your pool of scriptures to defend your cause…post this…(self-righteous)
(Gary) Once again, I must rue the fact that while you were embarked upon your schooling to acquire your vast Biblical knowledge (when can we look forward to an example of that,BTW?) you neglected to study the rudiments of written communication.
Is this last bit of babbling tongues?? At least translate it from the Greek……….or whatever language that is.
Ok, play nice you guys! Jesus taught about love unconditionally. Embrace the fufilling of the prophesies: Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. On the other hand, anytime there is some level of success; enemies, haters, jealousy, envy, ALL of the above, (nouns and adjectives) will come foward.
Sure. But this isn’t about the men and women’s success. It’s about what they preach. And clearly it is generally contrary to Scripture on important, no, critical issues. Being a hater has nothing to do with it.
Melvin, I know you know this but don’t even get caught up with these dudes bro. There are so many people here who were like me, knowing something is wrong but not able to put our fingers on it. The problem with these people is that they are still blinded and until the Holy Spirit that they boast so proudly about illuminate their eyes they will continue to be pimped. Let them give their money walk around with this false annointing that isn’t changing the world (isn’t wierd that they are so annointed but 70% of the known world is still under evangelized, and TBN although reaches the globe still refuse to go into China and other areas where people are loosing their lives except by T.V
) Don’t waste precious key strokes, It is like trying top argue with a woman who is being abused by her husband. She just continues to go back until she is either dead or face has been totally rearranged. These pimps continue to tell these ignorant sheep that they love them while beating them upside their head the next minute. Pray for those who are lookin
the prophecy for TBN is spreading the gospel around the world, and yours well, that’s for God to tell you..I made other comments why arent they posted…cause you want everyone to think TBN prophecy is bad and yours good..
Melvin, whats wrong with raising money? whats wrong with getting the best in the this time gospel to come together and raise money?… corporate america does it every day. Jerry Lewis does it! Lou Rawls did it!, Howard Stern does it, Heck just the other night Imus raised 2 million! I find anytime the people of God (Christians) do anything concerning money we become labeled. What I want to know is this ” what;s the label Satan has on you, gainfully employed by me?, being used, or are you taking his place while he’s on break ” accuser of the brothern…
I say to you”, I pray for you that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, the eyes (if you have them) of your understanding be enlightened, that you may what is know his calling, what is the hope of HIS inheritance in the saints, and what is the exceeding greatness of HIS power toward us who beleive, according to the working of his mighty power.(Ephesians 1:17-19 NKJV)
Melvin, be CAREFUL!!!!, Vengence is mine says the Lord, you dont want to caught in the wrath of God, Hell, you don’t want to be within a 100 mile radius of Gods wrath,,,, I say again, shutUP before God allows you to be shut up, shut down, just MUTE….
Corporate America doesn’t “raise” money through begging. Corporate America earns money and gives you value for the money you make available to them. This is called investing - Making money available another with the expectation that you will eventually get more money back.
The church organizations don’t earn money and pay dividends. They claim to have God pay so-called seed faith dividends, but this is a lie. They appeal to your greed (give to me and God will give back to you to, 100, 1000-fold). They twist Scripture. They take your money and indulge themselves.
You can misuse scripture if you like, and you can even continue to throw your money away by giving it to the pimps. That is certainly your business. But the fact remains that God tells us in the Bible to warn others about the wolves who preach bad doctrine and take your money.
I am still amazed that people still come onto this site and make the idiotic knew-jerk response you just made. I suggest you read the rest of the contents of the site. In fact, do a search on “knee-jerk” and read the comments and articles that are listed. Your emotional response is not anything different than what people have been saying for the last year and a half.
Just out of curiosity, what have I said that is not true? Please be specific.
You have been getting a lot of warnings lately here Melville. You best stop touching those anointed men and women of God. Or you may just get struck by lightinging. Maybe your dog will quote scripture and give you a warning like Balam or better yet, maybe Paul and Jan, with their anionted selves, will jump right out of the picture on this site and come lay hands on you. Dawn with love please study your bible. Luther’s desire was to put a bible in every men’s hand. Please pick it up and read it for yourself. I would start with Ephesians 1 since your grossly using the rest of the book out of context. You are correct GOD SAID “VENGANCE WAS MINE” what exactly were you inteding on conveying with that anyway? I am confused. Why exactly will Melvin get caught in the wrath of God? He is anointed! LOL!
answer me this question, what do these so called anointed people do with money they collect cause it sure aint about helping the poor. I was thinking the other day that if all of these big time bishops got together and with all of the monies that they beg for, they could house and feed thousands in the body of Christ. If they used that money like they were suppose too, we all would probbably be out of debt in a years time.
the point you made is absolutely correct except for the phrase “they beg for” which i will advice you rephrased.they do not beg for money they are only encouraging christians to give, putting into cognissance the words of our lord and saviour jesus christ which says;it is more blessed to give than to recieve.give and ye shall be given!although these scriptures does not only relates to money alone it applies to other areas of life.
Gabriel…….what do you call it when such phrases as “If you don’t give, the satellites will go dark, and the blackness of a Christless eternity will descend upon millions.”??
Or “Everyone should give. Can’t you spare the price of even a cup of coffee a day to keep this program on the air??”
Or, “We are in a genuine struggle right now. Unless some of God’s people step up and stand in the gap, we are going to have to cut off the broadcasting of the Good News in some markets.”??
THAT bro, is BEGGING.
question….what are they suppose to use their money for? why should they use the money God gave them to get you out of debt????
Who said they should use their money to get me out of debt?? Praise God, I have no debt.
As for how they use “their” money (another misnomer………it’s NOT their money), O believe the Bible speaks of feeding, clothing, and housing the poor,caring for widows and orphans and those in the church who cannot care for themselves, and supporting those who proclaim the Gospel (and NOT the pseudo-Gospel with its pseudo-Christ that these pompadoured, metrosexual, limp-wristed sissies proclaim on TBN).
GaryV Said,
“pompadoured, metrosexual, limp-wristed sissies”
Sounds a lot like Osteen and Bryant.
Kyle
(MN: No, no! That would be John Edwards, the Breck Girl. )
Work the Paintshop, why don’t you!
I was laughing at the “retouched photo.” Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
There are many “false prophets” out here as they were in the biblical times. That’s why Paul warned the early church.
Many years ago, God allowed me to recognize that Juanita Bynum was NOT one of His prophets. As a result, I never watch her on tv or elsewhere. None of the popular “prophets” of today are of God! Even among the non-popular prophets, I haven’t seen a “real” one yet.
Yes; A lot of well-repected Pastors have bought into Juanita. Yet, God taught me years ago not to trust the discernment of other Christians, including ministers. Some of them have large churches, but they do not have discernment!
Witch what you say is God! I don’t really thin you truly know his Voice.
are you then saying that the kingdom of darkness (the devil) is then working against himself. Juanita Bynum has been used by God to win souls for his kingdom thousands have been saved by the Lord through this lady. You may not be pleased by the mistakes that she has made but remember God is the judge not us! lets just receive the prophet of God and listen what the Lord has to say and leave what ever she has done that you may not be pleased with to GOD! be very carefull of what you say and do to the children of GOD especially to his Prophets! Be very carefull of the voices you hear and thinking it is GOD!!!!, remember the devil comes as an angel of light!!!!!!!!
(MN: But you’re assuming she is a prophet. She’s not. She says too many things contrary to the Word. Prophets don’t get to make that mistake at all.)
i disagree with you completely;prophets do make mistakes.its only GOD that does not or can not make a mistake.its important to note that,when GOD is grooming you,it takes through what i call tutorlage of mistakes and error.but when its time for him to get the glory,he makes sure that the glory does not go to the enemy.in other words,he makes sure that you dont make a mistake so that his name may be glorified.
ok, all peoplw make mistakes. Let’s be clear. A person who claims to be a prophet, and makes a false prophecy or teaching, is not making a mistake. THEY ARE A FALSE PROPHET. ( Is. 8:20, Deu. 18:21-22) As I havestated on other places on this site, God gives NO margin for error! Juanita is a false prophet!!
i don’t think that they are false prophets like you said but i think that some times out of desperation they prophesy (lies) out of flesh.
Gabriel……….brother……you need to stick around here a bit.
Statements like “I don’t think they are false prophets” after you have been shown their false prophesies, and the ZERO margin for error God allows true prophets, just won’t cut it.
But this will be a good experience for you. They have provided Scripture to buttress their view that these “ministers” profiled are false prophets. Now, you need to back up your disagreement with Scripture.
It’s not enough to tell us what you think. It’s not what you, or I, think that matters.
Provide Scripture. Like this……….
You said “i think that some times out of desperation they prophesy (lies) out of flesh”.
You admit this, yet still say they are not false prophets. I disagree vehemently. Therefore, I provide supporting Scripture……..
Jer 23:16 ¶ Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their OWN HEART, [and] NOT out of the mouth of the LORD. (they lie, in other words. What they said did not come to pass)
Jer 23:17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.
Jer 23:18 ¶ For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard [it]?
Jer 23:19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
Jer 23:20 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
Jer 23:21 ¶ I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO THEM YET THEY PROPHESIED
Jer 23:22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.
Jer 23:23 ¶ [Am] I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
Jer 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.
Jer 23:25 I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy LIES in my name, saying, I have DREAMED, I have DREAMED.(They lie, and they tell of their false dreams and visions as if they are from God)
Jer 23:26 How long shall [this] be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, [they are] PROPHETS OF THE DECEIT OF THIER OWN HEART
Jer 23:27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.
Jer 23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What [is] the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.
Jer 23:29 [Is] not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer [that] breaketh the rock in pieces?
Jer 23:30 ¶ Therefore, behold, I AM AGAINST THE PROPHETS saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. (WHICH prophet is the Lord against?? Look at the verses above. Those who LIE, saying the word they give is from God, yet it does not come to pass. Those who speak of their visions and dreams, say they are from God, yet they are false and do not come to pass………just like Juanita and her ilk).
Jer 23:31 Behold, I [am] AGAINST THE PROPHETS, saith the LORD,(Which ones Gabriel, is God against?? read on……..) that use their tongues, and say, He saith.(When He has NOT said)
Jer 23:32 Behold, I [am] against them that prophesy FALSE DREAMS, saith the LORD, and do TELL THEM, and cause my people to err by their LIES, and by their LIGHTNESS; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.
You see Gabriel…………God Himself contradicts your contention that prophets can make mistakes saying “God said…….”
God Himself is against the prophets that tell their dreams and visions, claim they are from God, yet they are NOT from God because they do not come to pass.
God Himself is against the prophets that “prophesy lies out of their flesh”, as you ADMITTED in your post they do.
What is your response to this Scripture Gabriel?? If you can refute it with the Bible, then you must do so. If you cannot, then you must admit your error and begin to re-think who you follow, and how you approach your Bible.
I’d love to hear from you brother.
before i answer your question,i would like to know which of juanita’s prophecies has not yet come to its fruition; eirther in your life or in the life of some one very close to you.
Hi Gabe!! Please reference the article “Juanita Bind-Em and the Threshing Floor” for several blatantly stupid and false prophesies.
“It’s important to note that, when GOD is grooming you, it takes through what I call tutorlage of mistakes and error.”
This comment by “Gabriel” is both hilarious and utterly pathetic at the same time. God takes you through “tutorlage?” Did Gabriel read this in the Word, or did he just make it up? My guess is the latter, which is pretty typical of, I’d say MOST Christians…totally scripture-illiterate. I’m not trying to make fun of Gabriel, but this is so sad, and is the very reason why so many so-called prophets have so many people fooled. So, how does scripture compare with the “gospel according to Gabriel?”
Ezek. 13:2-8 Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear the word of the Lord, Thus saith the Lord God; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The Lord saith:and the Lord hath NOT sent them:and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.Therefore, thus saith the Lord, because you have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord God.
Hmm…don’t sound like much “tutorlage” going on there!
Jer 23:31,32 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that use their tongues, and say, “He saith.” Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the Lord, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the Lord.
Don’t sound like God’s “grooming” them, does it?
And finally Deut 18:20-22 “But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have NOT commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, “How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumtuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
So, Gabriel..you’re at least PARTIALLY right..prophets DO make mistakes…but what you fail to realize is that based on that last scripture, if they DO make mistakes, they are NOT called by God. That’s the ONLY way one can know that they are SENT from God, is when they prophesy TRUTH.
Seems like NOBODY reads their bibles anymore!
if you study the bible carefully,you will notice that virtually all the prophets God called in the bible made one or few mistakes along the line.in every profession,there is always a room for apprentiship programe or are you disputing this too?
please let us learn to distinguish b/w been called of God and hearing clearly from God.they are two different things all together.
REALLY Gabriel?? That’s FASCINATING!!!
Feel free to post the Scriptural support for your kooky assertion.
A person can make mistakes, be subject to passions, have personal failures in their life, and still be a prophet, but when a prophetic spirit comes on them they will never error from the written Word of God. It the prophesy does not align itself with the word of God it is False. At this point we are not dealing w/ personal faults we are dealing with a False Prophet. (That Jezebel Spirit)
you a point here
you have a point here.
you got to be kidding. God’s prophet never lies!!
I think we are all saying the same thing. A prophet is a prophet IF what they say comes to pass, IF not, they are not speaking as a prophet, but are speaking after their own presumptions. So, IF a person has been going to Creflo Dollars’ church and following the tenants for 8 years then that person should have ALL their needs met, they should be promoted to the highest level possible at their job and ALL the business ventures they have tried are now growing business concerns, then they are prophets. The only real problem is that WHEN those things do not occur, the “prophets” blame the individual by saying they do not have enough faith. And of course, they accept it, because no person is perfect in their walk. It is a fabulous formula for the prophet’s success. God KNOWS that every Christian cannot be a millionaire, if that were ever true…who would take out the trash?
What??? From what Bible have you concluded this from?
If God is givin them what to say, would you say that he is making mistakes. Because the first thing out of these false prophets mouths is ” I hear the spirit of the Lord saying”. So basically if you say they can make mistakes then you are saying God is making mistakes in what he is telling them.
My question which continues to go unanswered by any of the supporters of the false teachers is “HOW MANY FALSE PROPHECIES DO YOU GET BEFORE YOU ARE CONSIDERED A FALSE PROPHET”?
binks
If someone could please help me with this,
“Now it came about when the king lived in his house, and the Lord had given him rest on every side from all his enemies, that the king said to Nathan the prophet, ‘See now, I dwell in a house of cedar, but the ark of God dwells within tent curtains.’ And Nathan said to the king, ‘Go, do all that is in your mind, for the Lord is with you.’” (2 Samuel 7:1-3)
“But it came about in the same night that the word of the Lord came to Nathan, saying, ‘Go and say to My servant David, ‘Thus says the Lord,” Are you the one who should build Me a house to dwell in? For I have not dwelt in a house since the day I brought up the sons of Israel from Egypt, even to this day; but I have been moving about in a tent, even in a tabernacle. “Wherever I have gone with all the sons of Israel, did I speak a word with one of the tribes of Israel, which I commanded to shepherd My people Israel, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’”‘ (2 Samuel 7:4-7).
To both David and Nathan, it seemed to the prophet that David’s idea was something to go with. Nathan does not even consult the Lord about it. At David’s suggestion, Nathan, apart from inspiration, assures David that the Lord is with him in this endeavor. He was not speaking from God. He was not being “moved by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:20,21). He was simply following his impulse that such a plan must be a good thing.
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Though David was sincere and genuine, and though it seems that he probably had a good and commendable idea, the Lord quickly let both Nathan and David know that such was not the case. And in the case of the Prophet, it was not 100% accuracey. It was a MISTAKE.
If Deuteronomy 18:19-22 & Deuteronomy 13 was the standard, why was he not stoned, killed, or ignored? If the standard is that prophets cannot make mistakes, then what’s up with what appears to be an inconsistency?
Moreover, if the OT standards for a prophet apply in the NT, then what’s up with Agabus the Prophet? In Acts 21:10-11 & Acts 21:27-36, there appear to me what seem to be some discrepancies. Agabus prophesied that Jews would bind Paul, however, it was the Romans who actually bound him. Agabus later prophesied that the Jews would deliver him into the hands of the Romans, but in fact they attempted to kill him themselves and the Romans RESCUED him forcibly from the violent mob. Agabus had not spoken in necessarily a misleading way, yet, as D.A. Carson states, “I can think of no reported Old Testament prophet whose prophecies are so wrong on the details.” (Showing the Spirit, pg. 98)
Should someone have sought out Agabus to stone him to death? Or why, in Acts 21:4 is Paul told, apparently by a prophet, “not to go to Jerusalem”, yet Paul openly disobeyed it. Would Paul have chosen to do so if this prophecy were the very words of God? And moreover, what to make of passages seeming to make clear that NT Prophets/prophecies did not have authoratitive power as the apostles did and needed to be weighed ( 1 Corinthians 13:8-12, 1 Corinthians 14:29-38, 1 Thessalonians 5:19-21)
If someone could please share their insights on this, I’d appreciate it.
Theirs no need for biblical prophets today, what would a prophet say that has not been said in the bible. And if their were prophets today (biblical prophets) it would mean that their word’s have the same authority as the bible the
prophets of the bible. you don’t want to go their,
“And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” I will not give verses, you’ll have to check me.
re: Once Saved–Constantly Nattering comment
Instead of giving us your biased summary, please let us read the W.O.G. comment for ourselves. If they took time out to write, give them that courtesy!
Melvin’s Note: No. He simply repeats what has been said over and over again. If you want to read it, send me your e-mail address and I will send you all 2900 repititious words to read to your heart’s content. Or you could just go back and read the previous postings. They are virutually identical.
The fact that he chose to repeat what has already been said (2900 words worth of repeating) in no way obligates me to post the nonsense. I have given them at least 10,000 words of publicity and I have provided all of the links they have included in their comments. I have no obligation to give them more. Go visit some of the sites they have posted and read them all you want. But don’t expect me to continue to post the same repititious, badly exposited, illogical tomes these poor schleps insist on promoting. It bores me and it bores the the other three readers.
Besides, I told you - the comment section is closed for that article.
“…You got a $1,000.00 in your checking account and you right at the last bit. But I promise you,if you turn it over to God and give it to God,He said, ‘By 12 o’clock midnight the waters are troubled for you.”
(Juanita Bynum, TBN, “Spring Praise-A-Thon,” April 7, 2005)
There is one place in scripture that states “the water is troubled”.
(John 5:7)
John Chapter 5 should be studied in it’s entirety.
John 5:4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and “troubled the water”. Whosoever then first after the “troubling of the water” stepped in was made whole of whatsoever “disease” he had.
John 5:6 When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt Thou Be Made Whole?
NOTE: Jesus “did not” ask this man for “money”, nor any other of his possessions. He only ask the man, Wilt Thou Be Made Whole?
John 5:7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have not man when “the water is troubled” to put me into the pool but, while I am coming another steppeth down before me.
Notice how Jesus answers the man:
John 5:8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed and walk.
John 5:9 And “immediately” the man was made whole, and took up
his bed and walked……..
Mrs. Thomas Weeks, III. aka Prophetess Juanita Bynum has taken a very small portion of scripture and twisted it for her own financial gain. Mrs. Weeks and the others of the Word of faith movement/Prosperity gospel are tampering with the Word of God in an effort to manipulate the people into financing their lavish yet carnel life styles.
But the devil is still a liar and their is no truth in him. And if the people would try these devilish spirits by the Spirit of the Living God, they would decern truth from error, and would stop running after these lying wonders.
Jeremiah 23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran. I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
Jeremiah 23:26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? Yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart.
Jeremiah 23:30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord that steal my words every one from his neighbor.
In the love of Jesus Christ,
Deb
Thank you. You made your argument with backup from the the bible that these so called prophets use for their own gain. I have not needed to give thousands of pounds(UK) to gain favour from god. I have been through alot and have been brought through it, through my own faith. Charity begins at home. We have to look after our own mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, friends. By helping them if they are in financial need, is that not sowing a seed?
Deb is very good about that.
READ THE WORD
my comment is, that many people love their money and don’t want to let go of it. But my response to all thats been said concerning the above statement, especially by Deb, is it takes money to get the gospel out, it takes money to spread the gospel weather on tv, paper back books, or tracks. That’s why we all need to learn how to try the spirits, God said in his word Malachi 3:10 and prove me now
It doesnt take money to spread the word, it takes disciples. If these money grubbing preachers would spend more time making disciples, instead of making money, there would be enough people to surround the entire globe. That is one of the worst examples of why preachers beg that I’ve ever heard. When Juanita comes on TBN and ask for $1,000 do you really believe she is asking so she can further the gospel. If you got 10,000 people in your congregation, if you teach 10,000 of them how to be disciples, and go out and disciple others, the word of God would spread around the world like wildfire.
But no we spend more time tellin them that God is a cosmic slot machine, and if we pull his arm, and tell him what we want (according to our lust) that he will give it to us especially if was bless the mand of Gawd. It is sickening.
BINKS
Binks, my dear comrade, if this is not the naked truth, I don’t know what is. Once disciples are made (John 8:31-32), they will be directed BY GOD to whatever finances are needed—or GOD will direct the person supplying the finances to that disciple!!!!!
Your opening sentence is profound! We, the Saints of God need to study—become intimate with—the Word in order to learn the deep things of God through the Spirit of God. God searches man’s heart, not our wallets or bank accounts!!!!! Good call, Binks!
Oh, Binks…GOD forbid that the illustrious Profitess or any of these “money grubbing preachers” would disciple anyone! I get what you meant, but first she would have to repent and humbly submit herself to the chastening and rebuke of the LORD. I will confess to the Body of CHRIST today that I fell for the scam of the Profitess. I felt she was “anointed” at one time…coincidentally, this was at a time where I was not studying the WORD of GOD at all….ignorance is bliss for the huckstas. But GOD is still delivering HIS children out of the snare of the enemy! Praise HIM today!
i agree with some of the facts you pointed out;particularly in the area of discipleship of which most pastors are quilty of.but i totally disagree with your last sentence which says its sickening.are you saying when you give to a prophet in the name of a prophet you would’nt get a reward?
No Gabriel……….I believe what my friend Binks is saying is that before you can give to a prophet and receive a prophet’s reward, one must first FIND a prophet.
And a prophet Juanita and her ilk AIN’T. At the most, you get a pimp’s reward.
gary….this whole thing is not all about prophetess juanita bynum.but about your response and obedience to the word of GOd.the bible says in one of the epistles that until we learn to say bless is he who come in the name of the lord.for example if a prophet tells you give to the work of God according to the holy bible and you responded by sowing a seed, for instance luke 6:38 even if the prophet has a hidden agenda so to say,that would,nt stop you from recieving from God according to his promise attached to that verse of the scripture..GOD will bless you not because you obeyed the prophet as it were but because you obeyed his word that came out of the mouth of the prophet..in other words for honouring and obeying his word,not the word of a man.but the prophet will be penalised or punished for his wrong doing.
Again…….you have to explain away the verses that command us to sow only in good ground, and that warn us against giving to the rich.
Also, you would have to FIND a prophet that meets the Biblical standard to be CALLED a prophet. All you have thusfar is some schmuck CLAIMING she’s a prophet. Therefore, since there is NO evidence that she IS a prophet, and quite a bit against it, her command or plea to give is based upon her deceit and the giver’s ignorance.
I can’t locate the verses in the Bible that tell me to throw my money around without reference to the spiritual state of the person I throw it at, because God knows my heart blah blah blah.
References please……….
For where your treasures is there will your heart also
Matthew 6:21. you guys problem is that you love your money, it takes money to spread the gospel.
stop letting satan deceive you by not giving. If Jesus
gave his whole life for you, why you can’t give for the
spread of the gospel? if they are crooks let God handle them you just do your part and stop being stingy.
Willie, surely you can see that the pimps’ hearts are apparently tied to the stuff they get from fleecing the flocks? No one is saying don’t give. I’m simply saying don’t fall prey to the pimps who consistently say you should give to get (which again shows you where there hearts are and where they are hoping your heart is).
Who said anything about not giving. I could show you the end of the year spreadsheet of my giving to my church. I give, and the reason why I give is because I know that my pastor isnt takin my money and buyin himself a new Rolls Royce with it. He spends countless hours in places like Nicaragua, and Hondourous establishing churches, yet has never once asked us to by him a Jet so he could further the ministry. We have missionaries all throughout the world, and I know when I give a huge portion goes to the support of those missionaries. I’m not saying my church is perfect, cause none are, but by biblical standards, they follow closer than any church I’ve ever been in, and I had my upbringing in the WOF, I was licensed to preach in the C.O.G.I.C. So the devil isnt ruling me, and keeping me from Giving, I just aint givin to no preacher that believes he deserves a Rolls Royce just because he stands up and screams, and then has the organist play a lil diddy, and then the people dance like the accordian player and the monkey.
binks
How do you know what your pastor is doing with the money from the church? Are you a trustee or his special assistant? What makes your pastor so special? Research my brother!
Ask questions!
I know what they are doing, because they show us what they are doing. We see the fruit each and every year when Our missionaries come home, and thank us for taking care of their needs while they are away.
What I find funny is how you down me, and my church for doing the right thing. My pastor parks his car right in the same parking lot that I park mine in, IT ISNT A ROLLS ROYCE. HE NEVER ASK US FOR MONEY, NEVER TELLS US ABOUT THINGS HE NEEDS. I havent attend one Pastor and Wife anniversary since i’ve been there. I’ve been there 10 yrs now. But at my last church, I attended over 10 Pastor and wife anniversaries, I’ve seen how much money the ministers board (on which I served) had to come up with “FOR THE PASTOR” Not for the ministry, but it was a gift for the pastor. My old pastor used to come to church in two to three different Cars, I used to drive him out of town, So I’ve driven, and ridden in those cars, I also sat at dinner with him, and the other preachers, while they talked about how many memebers each church had, and never spent time talking about the Soverignity of God, or how they were working to bring more souls to christ.
I never said my church was special, but it is biblical, and that’s what’s most important to me. We dont waist time tryin to be special. Too busy making disciples as commanded in scripture. I have studied, I attend the church meetings, and we are givin the Financial records at the end of the year, and we know exactly where our money went. My Pastor has driven the same car since i’ve been at the church. That I do know.
He has yet to hit us with If I had my own plane I could get around to doing God’s business faster, and whenever I needed to do it.
Bottom line is. I’ve researched, (I wouldnt mention it if I didnt) I believe totally in critical thinking to the point I annoy. My pastor wouldnt agree with you that he is special, and would never say that, neither did I, He is a man just like you and I and could succomb to this worlds temptations at anytime, but for the last 10 yrs, God has placed me infront of one of the most Godly men in my time.
BINKS
if you have equated anyones righteous with low maintenace….It just isnt biblical…I pray for your pastor because if everyone in there is in love with him, because he has patched up the same car for 10 years..I pray for him, because if ever a season of rest and harvest for him come…then he would loose his congregation if they all think like you…tell me in the word of God where it is a sin to take care of the man/women of God and I will show you where it is not…Dont compare your old pastor to your new, because they had a different standard of maintence
but righteous living to unrighteous living..
works want get you into heaven…only holliness….Have you had a new car in the last 10 years, prob so…what about other christians you know prob so.. then why is it something wonderful to brag about that the man of God has been patching up his..does that make you or them unholy because you have a new car and live in a neighborhood where your children dont become a statistic….and what happens if God tells him to buy a plane to further the gospel..does he then become unrighteous…it is possible to live not below your means, but as the head, and still be righteous/holy and love God and his people…The blessings flow from the head on down…I want to see every piece of the word of God is action in my man of God’s life… Your man of God appears to be a wonderful man of God, don’t hurt him with your way of thinking…I know you dont want to .. love him without conditions
Hey Binks let me jump in on this. Anonymous let me say this to you. Binks never said that his pastor was patching up his car for 10 years he said that he has been in this particular ministry for 10 yrs. Also whomever you are, you need to get a grip. God never said that you will have things to prove that you are fruitful nor does it prove that you are blessed. Remember the devil can give people stuff to. The only thing that lets me know that I am blessed is that I have relationship with Jesus and I have been given the promise of eternal life. it seems that you base the success of someone on what they have and not who they have. Which should be Jesus. I ask you what about those who are in other countries whom seem to grasp the word of God w/o having to emphasize things. No it does not mean that you have an inroad to God because you may be w/o but at the same token it does not mean that you have an inroad to heaven because you have money.
you are right it doesnot mean that you have an in road to heaven because you have money …neither does it mean that you dont have an in road to heaven because you have money..thank you for making my point..exactly…so stop making men/women of God that are blessed be doomed to hell and men/women of God that dont have the tangible manifestation on their way to heaven…give me scriptures on the devil blessing anyone…God rains on the just and the unjust…
you sure have a point here.
Willay!!Willlay! Hey! Hear me???
Doesn’t take money to spread the Gospel. Just an UNENDING reliance on the Holy Spirit. According to the Word as compared to our conventional carnal wisdom, the Apostles were broke……most churches were….BROKE. So they were failures by our standard.
The affluent churches (the ones with money, influence, and sensuality at the top of their agendas) were the ones rebuked in the Word. Because of what the money and affluence does to the message of Christ. Corinth? Laodicea? Rich churches receiving rebuke.
The parable of the Rich fool. Rebuke concerning wealthy ambitions. (Luke 12:15-31)
Rich man and Lazarus. Rebuke, and a lesson of how riches ensnare an individual. (Luke 16:19-31)
Now, the love for money dictates exactly the fact that there may be a dependence on it based on what one is taught.
So by stating that the Gospel can’t be spread without money, does the dependence on it (Matthew 6:24) become YOUR god?
Are you serious…it dosen’t take money to spread the gospel? (MN: No. It doesn’t. How much money does it take for you to stand on the street corner and tell people about Jesus Christ? How much money does it take for you to train your children in the Gospel and have them tell others? How much money does it take for you to disciple five or six men and send them out to do the work of the Gospel? Not much. How much does it take to develop a big money vacuum like TBN or “The Threshing Floor Tour? Quite a bit. ) Please tell me that you are joking? It takes money to do EVERYTHING. If you have missions in other countries, you have to get the people there, so you will need plane tickets, some sort of lodging, materials and all of these things cost money. (MN: Sure. And churches support that kind of thing all the time. ) Even if it is not your money it still cost money.
I really believe some of you are really loosing it! Just like it takes money to run your houses and businesses, it takes money for everything else to run as well. (MN: You’re not really addressing the issue. This issue isn’t whether or not it takes money to spread the Gospel. The issue is whether or not the pimps are spreading the Gospel or simply lining their pockets. )
The bible never said that it was a sin to have money, people please. (MN: And I haven’t said it is either. )
“Ice, Ice baby…..”
You are absolutely right. Look forward to a work that will be published shortly that tears the mask off the apostate church industry and exposes it for what it is. The church these people represent is a mouthpiece for Wall Street based capitalist pimps have hand picked this little elite group to represent their desire to rape and pillage the newly discovered church market. They preach another gospel, they represent another church and they have another god. They are in bed with the governments of this world and Jesus speaks of this false prophet in Revelation. His signs do not follow them!! They have no JESUS evidence. And you are right, if they were of Christ they would be hated not adored by this world.
These false prophets and pastors and teachers have chosen this life as evidence of the anointing of God. They have no spiritual authority over evil they can’t cast a devil out of anybody. We have all lost sight of the purpose of the Holy Ghost and that is to seal us and save us to live forever-not in the worship of these “Celebrity Christians” but in the worship of the Father and his Son.
Just wondered if some of your commentators are true Christians including the author or team of authors of this website. Or else you would not touch the anointed of God nor do her/him any harm. If God called anyone or not; let only God be the Judge. REMEMBER, HEAVEN AND EARTH (KINGS AND KINGDOMS) WILL ALL PASS AWAY, BUT NOT A DOT OF HIS WORD WOULD GO UNFILLED. Nothing can be hidden from God’s sight. Could you let us know how you raise money for projects in your church, mosque or where-ever you belong including this website. And don’t only publish the negative comments also publish the positive ones too or else you would only feed people with your personal opinion which is subject to error, lack of knowledge ie. ignorance, envy or as the case may be, good spirit! Thank you.
Melvin’s Note:
Again with the “Touch not God’s anointed.” I won’t spend any time addressing that idiotic comment. Most of the earlier articles talk about about this including “Touch Not Think Not.”
I pay for the site out of my own pocket - including fees to my over-priced webmaster (who, incidentally, does do an outstanding job).
What does the quote you gave have to do with dealing with people who preach heresies and treat the saints like merchandise? I haven’t seen this particular knee-jerk reaction in several months. I thought all of you had gon on someplace else. My mistake.
Melvin
i think is high time we stopped quoting this scripture tourch not my anointed and do my prophets no harm out of context;no body is tourching God’s anointed like you claimed or doing any harm to any of God’s prophet.i personally do not see any thing wrong in pointing out what seems like anomalies in the body of christ.apostle paul did same whilst he was here on earth without no apologies to any one or fear of favor.i implore you to study the ministry of apostle paul……..(for wale london)
HELLO, MY NAME IS TOYA.
I’VE LOVED EVERY MESSAGE YOU’VE GIVEN ABOUT DIFFERENT SUBJECTS. THE ONE I REALLY LIKE WAS WOMEN ON THE FRONT LINE. I’M GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE SAME THINGS, I’VE BEEN THROUGH SEVERAL SITUATIONS AND I FELT LIKE I DIDN’T WANT TO BE APART OF GOD ASSIGNMENTS, AND I’VE EVEN AKSED GOD ABOUT TIMES HE USED ME TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS AND I WANTED TO KNOW WHY HE CHOSE ME. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO BECOME MY PRAYER PARTNER, AND WHEN GOD HAS A WORD FROM YOU GIVE IT TO ME. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
Melvin’s note: It would prabably be better if you hooked up with Miss Deb.
Miss Deb?
Melvin
THE BIBLE SAYS TOUCH NOT MY ANOINTED ONES SO BEWARE OR WHAT YOU ARE ALL SAYING. BE VERY CAREFUL AS YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.
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i think is high time we stopped quoting this scripture tourch not my anointed and do my prophets no harm out of context;no body is tourching God’s anointed like you claimed or doing any harm to any of God’s prophet.i personally do not see any thing wrong in pointing out what seems like anomalies in the body of christ.apostle paul did same whilst he was here on earth without no apologies to any one or fear of favor.i implore you to study the ministry of apostle paul.(child of GOD)
The bible says blessed are the feet of the ones who bring the good news. Now if the gospel needs to be spread around the world how do you think it is done ? By wishes or by giving money, so use your common sense. The same way you pump out your money to run this web-site is the same way people need to give to the work of God so that His good news may reach everyone.
Melvin’s Note: Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t remember Paul collecting money for a building. I don’t have a problem with sending money to those speading the gospel. My problem comes with the Dukes of Hazzard, Ms. Bind’em, and others marketing us. Why spend $50 million dollars for a church facility? Why pay a pastor $500,000 a year? Why collect hundreds of millions of dollars a year to run a television network whose only purpose seems to be to collect money for the network and the “ministries” carried by the network.
Every year, thousands of women pay T. Dexter Jakes millions of dollars so he can tell them again that “Thou Art Loosed. Joel Osteen charges people $20.00 to come and listen to him tell stories, and the Dukes of Hazzard are charging almost $30.00 to come hear Mrs. DoH sing. Tell me again how this is spreading the gospel. And how is it making disciples? How is any of that foolishness the “works of God”?
AMEN
Fall on your knee’s in PRAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(MN: I think Gary just found the site. )
Please do not take this too lightly, Mr. Melvin, but it sounds as if you are jealous of the fact that God uses whom He chooses to do His work and that you obviously are not in on it. The Bible says that your gifts will make room for you. I have followed the Prophetess for a while now and I did not see one mistake in anything that she has said. Why is it that baseball players and music entertainers can make so much money to entertain that do not benefit you at all and there are no questions on where the money goes and who’s spending what but when the money is used for the ministry people like you set up websites like this? I just so happened to stumble upon this website and I’m glad that I did because it lets me know more and more that the Bible does not lie. I will continuosly pray that God opens your eyes before it is too late. Even if Prophetess Bynum is not who we believe her to be, which I whole-heartedly believe that she is real, what does that have to do with you? You have a choice which is why Christ died to listen or not to listen. Slandering people does not make your decision justifiable. Tomorrow is not promised but death is sure to come. Where will you end up in eternity?
For the eleventy-tenth time, you’re comparing apples to oranges when you equate a sports figure to a pastor. You’re also ignoring the fact that no one has a problem with a pastor being well to do.
The issue is the pimps who get rich off of their patsies by preaching bad doctrine, promising blessings and breakthroughs if you give to them and their “ministries”, and set themselves up as “the anointed” with a special track to God.
Sports figures and entertainers pursue the riches. No place in the Bible are they told that football is not to be source of riches. We are told that over and over again. We are warned about people who would make us a market. We are told not to pursue things for the sake of things. None of this applies to the unsaved (entertainers and sports figures). If they are not saved, theyare going to hell and what they do and say won’t make any difference.
If the good prophetess is not who she says she is, it will have no impact on me. My reason for telling people that she is not who she says she is is to make sure you are warned so you can avoid her and the rest of the pimpettes out there.
Compare what she says to what the Bible actually says. Stand up. Be strong. Don’t follow the signs-seeking crowd. Be willing to follow God for yourself. It will be lonely, but the rewards are great.
Remember, having read the information on the site, you have been warned. If you continue to follow the pimpette and others like her, you have only yourself to blame and Jesus to answer to. And remember, you won’t be able to claim ignorance, ’cause you read it here.
Where will I end up? At the right hand of the Father, where I am seated with Christ even now.
I was very disturbed and disappointed by what was said on your ste about Prophetess Bynum-Weeks. I attended Bishop Weeks church and everything we were taught there by him and Prophetess was sound doctrine. I personally witnessed my 2 sisters receive deliverance (on 2 different occasions) from demons at the hands of these prophets of God by the power of God. And by the way, everything they prophesied to me has come to pass. Everything that is being said is not entirely true, and I know from personal experience.
(MN: If they had a smoking demon or a sex demon, or maybe even a gambling demon [not that I accept these as being biblical, but I will humor you] how do you know they were delivered? In fact, other than the two falling out, waking up and saying “I’ve been delivered” what indication do you have that they have been “delivered”? You really need to think this stuff through and not simply regurgitate the stuff these pimps and pimpettes feed you while they take your money. )
Melvin I’ve been reading your website and I discerned that you are angry and have a personal issue with this. Its okay to be angry, but when you act out on it, by talking about people whether they or saved or not..whether they are called or not that is not of God…a true christian knows to pray to the one person that can change any situation..God in the name of Jesus
(MN: And I’ve been reading your comment and I discerned that you haven’t read the site closely. I am not trying to change Juanita or any other of the pimps. I am trying to warn the fleeced. The pimps are as they are, most likely without Christ, without understanding, satisfying only their greed. They will reap the whirlwind, if only when they draw their last breath. My goal is to make known their pimpery, not to make them stop. If you’re reading the postings on this website, I am doing my job. )
I read your comments…but, If they are incorrect changing them through prayer is exactly what you should be doing, but your not trying to do that(and I quote, “I’m not trying to change them”)but, you are trying to save people souls from giving money…If bynum and whomever else is in error, saving their souls from hell should be just as important as warning people about giving to much money..That is your job, my job, (the total church job)1st and foremost..but, you should already know that…you know the word…you said some of the scriptures the commenters made were for the prophets of the old, but what you are doing is what the prophets of the old did..study it, but, question..what is the great commission of the church…..you should know.. why say you’re not trying to change them when I say pray for their change…we have the power to loose/bind…our fervent prayers avail much…I dont understand you as a man of God how you would talk, but not pray…
And, dont tell me any scriptures about turning them over, and pulling the wool off…when you havent prayed for them first…and tried to change things through pray…Honey, ….I can only shake my hand and cry, because a man of God only cares about talking to people that yes may not give anymore money(something that want send them to hell), rather than try to change a person/person through prayer that according to you are on their way to hell….
Because, if this is true, It is a spirit, and we as saints have authority over every demonic spirit…God Bless You all….post this one
Franklin, why do you assume we do not pray for them?? Why must we EITHER pray OR confront?? Why can we not do BOTH and OBEY the Word rather than offer half-obedience??
1Ti 5:19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. (They have been confronted HUNDREDS of times)
1Ti 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Tts 1:10 ¶ For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
Tts 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.
Tts 1:12 One of themselves, [even] a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians [are] alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
Tts 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
Rom 16:17 ¶ Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
1Ti 1:3 ¶ As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
1Ti 6:3 ¶ If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, [even] the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
Isa 58:1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.
I wonder how many pastors do we have among us…and what was your cost…we can say alot of things about money, but do we know what they put(money)into the ministry to begin with, because God told them to…there was a mandate..And, question…I don’t have to quote scriptures, everyone seem to be well advanced in the word of God….So, we should know what happened between the Apostles and the people of God when it came down to money..besides the scriptures youve already quoted…and what exactly were the plans of God regarding taking care of the pastor..I’m sure you know…and if you do, then nothing you says line up totally with the word of God..so now should people begin to come to the conclusion that you are not of God….Question…just wondering, how do you propose the church is taken care of..scriptures are being thrown everywhere…(preaching)and I heard God say…we should be preaching to the lost…but, we act as though there is nothing better to do, but to talk about one another, but there is a dying world..people dont go to hell for giving money..so we should stop preaching and warning people about giving to much money, and start preaching about the coming of Jesus Christ to a nation that is dying…Be careful that you do not made yourself an idol and make room for your gift yourself…because, all I hear is everyone letting everyone know …I know the word…nothing wrong with that…be careful not to make your own platform, because God has not yet extended one. I pray for you…because, if you are in fact incorrect…you have a lot of questions to answer with God….Even Saul as he persecuted the church thought he was correct, but later found out that he wasnt
(MN: And now for the translation please. )
You ask for a reply, sorry translation on my comment: so, what you are saying is God spoke to you and gave you a revelation, sorry, translation about who he called/chose and who he didnt, but God didnt give you a relevation or translation as you may call it ,to my comment…I guess we are not as deep as we think we are..and dont have an ear to hear what the spirit of the Lord is saying as we claim to…Ask God for a translation…you seem to talk with him alot about his generals and get an answer..surely he will give you your translation…(maybe you should start asking for a revelation.)..it would help..because the letter alone kills….post this one…Jesus loves you and so do I
(MN: Hello…Anybody!! I still need a translation! I recognize the words but they don’t make much sense when I put them together. Someone?!?! )
I would explain like Jesus did with his disciplines because they were in training and was being taught, but according to you..you cant be taught by anyone(preacher)but God….Ask God he will give you the revelation…since everyone these days are not of God, that would be the safest way for you…you should be able to just look at a piece of scripture and finish it off..since, there is so much word in you and you are so connected to christ..maybe, the only word in you is what you have studied to defend YOUR cause..I love you with the love of God
I know they dont make since when YOU put them together…that is exactly my point…
sweety…Post this one
Hello, you didnot post my reply, sweetie
Franklin, let me say this to you. It appears to me in your writing that you have accepted what some of these people have professed and in fact what they may have even done in regards to giving their own money to help their ministry.
Well let me say this, church in the western world has become Big Business. Anyone can start a business in America, and more than likely they will use their own finances to get it going. Therefore, as a pastor myself I believe that anyone can say God told them to start a church and take their own money to do so. Then you have those who will start a church and Create other businesses within the nucleus of the church to make more money. In other words, alot of things we say God told us to do he never told us to.
If you read his word more closely he told the disciples to Go and Preach the Gospel. He never said to take your own money to get started. So my question to you is is that we must look at the motives of why people start churches. Before you come off with a lot of foolishness and irrelevent questions. I as a pastor work 40 hours a week. Started a ministry three years ago gave my own personal money to get started with the agreement of my wife, and God has blessed us and the ministry.
I am not looking for the church to Pay me back nor am I putting demands on God to give it back to me. If you are willing to Obey him then he will take care of HIS church and not us/leaders. I suggest you go back and meditate on some more things of the word of God from a practical view and not a lot of your personal feelings. Also, this thing that the world is dying the world is not dying, people must make a choice to either accept Jesus or reject him.
I wonder how many pastors do we have among us…
(Gary) Several……..in fact many ministers are here. Thanks for asking.
and what was your cost…
(Gary) OUR cost?? For what……..ministry?? Nothing. Jesus’ cost?? The cross.
we can say alot of things about money, but do we know what they put(money)into the ministry to begin with, because God told them to
(Gary) Well…….is it THEIR money, or God’s money?? If it’s God’s money, and they are merely stewards, they put nothing in.
1Cr 4:7 ….and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive [it], why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received [it]?
…there was a mandate.
(Gary) Really??? How do YOU know there was a mandate?? Would their ministries be rife with error, false doctrine, and the shearing of the sheep if the mandate had come from God??
.And, question…I don’t have to quote scriptures, everyone seem to be well advanced in the word of God
(Gary) Well, we would prefer that you back up your opinions with Scripture, properly exegeted and in its proper context. Perhaps if you had taken the time to do so, you would have already seen the false doctrine and false prophecies.
….So, we should know what happened between the Apostles and the people of God when it came down to money
(Gary) An excellent idea…….let’s do just that, shall we??
Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Act 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all [men], as every man had need.
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Act 4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
Act 4:35 And laid [them] down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
(Gary) Hmmmmmmmm……..seems the money the Apostles collected was distributed to the needy. NOT hoarded up to buy themselves luxury homes, state of the art camels, or the finest togas.Perhaps you will like this verse even better……..errrrr, possibly NOT.
Act 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
Act 8:19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
Act 8:20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
(Gary) NOW…….reconcile this with Ms Bind’em’s sleazy attempt to sell the blessings of God for a donation to TBN.
How about this one by an Apostle??
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1Ti 3:8 Likewise [must] the deacons [be] grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
Tts 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
1Pe 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight [thereof], not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
..besides the scriptures youve already quoted…and what exactly were the plans of God regarding taking care of the pastor..I’m sure you know…and if you do, then nothing you says line up totally with the word of God..
(Gary) Errrrrrrr…….where precisely does the Bible advocate the pastor enriching himself at the expense of the flock??
1Ti 5:17 ¶ Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
1Ti 5:18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer [is] worthy of his reward.
(Gary) See, don’t MUZZLE the ox. Allow it to partake.PARTAKE. The verse says nothing about the ox gorging himself like these preachers do, leaving nothing for anyone else, does it??
1Cr 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
1Cr 9:10 Or saith he [it] altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, [this] is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
1Cr 9:11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, [is it] a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
1Cr 9:12 If others be partakers of [this] power over you, [are] not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
(Gary) Note that last sentence well. THAT is the Apostles view. Bynum and Company’s profligate squandering of the resources of God for their own enrichment is A HINDRANCE TO THE GOSPEL………BUT SHE DOESN’T CARE.
so now should people begin to come to the conclusion that you are not of God….
(Gary) Can we not rather come to that conclusion about you?? You who look the other way while the inheritance of God is plundered?? You who are so careless about His Word that false prophesy and errant doctrine and heresy are winked at?? You who care so little for His Honor and His Word that you actually defend these pimps??
Question…just wondering, how do you propose the church is taken care of..
(Gary) That is answered by the Scriptures above. Read the parts again about selling the blessings of God and filthy lucre, and the curse upon those who desire to be rich.
Those who preach the Gospel should live by the Gospel…………NOT ENRICH THEMSELVES BY THE GOSPEL. The Bible refers to such as Juanita as “hirelings”.
scriptures are being thrown everywhere…
(Gary) Not by you I notice……..
(preaching)and I heard God say…we should be preaching to the lost
(Gary) we do………that does NOT relieve us of the Biblical mandate to expose false teachers and warn the flock lest they be devoured.
…but, we act as though there is nothing better to do, but to talk about one another,
(Gary)Please rebuke Paul for us then…….
Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Act 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
(Gary) WOW……………3 years warning the church against false teachers.Didn’t he have anything better to do??
but there is a dying world..people dont go to hell for giving money..
(Gary) No, but there are many so OFFENDED by these pimps/pimpettes and their greed and lasciviousness that they regard the Gospel with CONTEMPT. And there IS hell for that.
so we should stop preaching and warning people about giving to much money, and start preaching about the coming of Jesus Christ to a nation that is dying
(Gary) We are commanded to do BOTH. Why do you rebel against the command of God and allow those who bring reproach upon the Gospel and poisonous heresy into the church to continue unopposed??
…Be careful that you do not made yourself an idol
(Gary) If you worship the same false Christ that these pimps offer, I suggest you have made one for yourself already. Good luck with that, BTW.
and make room for your gift yourself…because, all I hear is everyone letting everyone know …I know the word…nothing wrong with that…
(Gary) SO glad you think there’s nothing wrong with the Word. I feel much better now. I will dispute the notion that you know it however, based upon what you’ve written thusfar.
be careful not to make your own platform, because God has not yet extended one.
(Gary) Oh………you mean like the “God has a personal Word for you” platform??
Or the “Send in your pledge and God will meet your needs” platform??
Or the “Jesus suffered in hell” platform??
Or the “I can issue false prophesy and still be OK” platform??
I pray for you…because, if you are in fact incorrect…you have a lot of questions to answer with God….Even Saul as he persecuted the church thought he was correct, but later found out that he wasnt
(Gary) You have just described YOUR predicament perfectly. You and the hirelings you defend have MUCH to answer for. You have made yourself a partaker of every evil deed they commit when you defend them.
2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed: (Like by supporting and defending them, for example)
2Jo 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Amen Gary Amen
(MN: Franklin and the latest Anonymous are the same person. The last eight postings from him/her have been pretty much incoherent and pointlessly insulting. Unless I hear otherwise, and unless he/she starts making a little more sense, the most recent comments (about five of them) , are pretty much it. Any takers for pleading his/her case? )
I see you finally finished your research to come up with the particular scripture I was referring to…you are right they gave those in need…what false prophet as you call them…doesnot distribute according to the needs of people…why dont you study all the ministries you have a problem with and just see what they are doing for the community/world before you starting screaming “MONEY HUNGRY preachers”
Melvin if this is the case, I have nothing to say but I back you 100% do waht you must do brother.
Well, that’s simply blatantly deceptive………..from a “minister” no less. A self proclaimed pastor/Bible school grad(though who can believe a word that passes her gums now??) who claims to know the Bible from Genesis to Revelation (her words).
Why do this?? To have the appearance of support?? To switch to either identity exclusively once her posts under one name had been disproven?? And once that happened, wouldn’t she just create yet ANOTHER identity.And another…………and another??
Then fact that she resorts to the only tool in SATAN’S toolbox (deception) to defend these pimps/pimpettes is significant.
It speaks volumes about her personally( as well as the teachers who scratch her ears) that she would do this.
Can anyone be seriously seeking Truth when they are actively engaged in a lie to defend their views??
(MN: He/she may have been typing at two different machines with no deception intended. At least, that’s a possibility. )
NAW I don’t think so Melvin.
Well, just for fun I compared some of the Anonymous posts withn the Franklin posts.
On 1/5, the postings went like this………
14:34……..Franklin
14:47……..Anonymous
15:04……..Franklin
15:13……..Anonymous
15:19……..Franklin
15:37……..Franklin
17:15……..Franklin
17:20……..Anonymous
17:38……..Anonymous
18:02……..Anonymous
On 1/6
9:35………Anonymous
9:43………Anonymous
9:53………Franklin
Even allowing for an extra Anonymous poster, the grouping is pretty suspicious.
If she’s shuttling between 2 computers, she must have the same jet that Copeland has.
Franklin—Which is it: “sweety” or “sweetie”; “he or “she”? Your ramblings are replete with indicators of a confused spirit and soul (mind). True, people don’t go to hell for not giving, but they WILL go to hell for disobeying the following instructions:
2 Timothy 2:15 - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Proverbs 4:7 - Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom; and with all thy getting get understanding.
2tim 2:15 and provs4:7—– what has these two scriptures you quoted got to do with going to hell………this is a lie from the pit of hell.the only thing that can take or lead you to hell is your total rejection of God’s salvation plan for mankind through our lord and saviour jesus christ.
I am so happy that someone is addressing how many of the television ministers are stealing money from the poor. I do believe that God wants us to give, but it’s ridiculous the amount of money that many people pay for God’s blessings. We really need to study the Bible;and like Solomn, pray for understanding and direction.
To you Truth seeker have you read the Bible to find out the truth for yourself, and to see if it really matches with what the Prophets of today are saying i.e. on TBN etc. Check it out for yourself, do your own research and know the truth for yourself. The Bible says test the Spirit - do your own comparisons. I pray you find the TRUTH for yourself. - SO WHO ARE YOU LISTENING TO IF YOU DON’T LISTENT TO OUR PREACHERS AND PROPHETS OF TODAY. I am not saying all are true prophets but know the truth for your self.
Chuck Swindoll, Voddie Baucham, R.C. Sproul, Adrian Rodgers, Dr.Michael Youssef, Paul Washer, John Piper, Charles Stanley. That should get you started, but there are many more.
binks
Do we really have to start dealing with this again?!?! Remember, the only anointed God said don’t touch was Saul. Saul was a very wicked fellow. Are you saying these preachers are very wicked fellows and we should wait for God to kill them?
Are we supposed to correct those who preach heresies and lead the saved astray, or are we to wait for God to SOMEHOW act? The Bible doesn’t say we are supposed to sit and wait for God to some how act. It tells us we are suppose to warn others about the wolves. Take a look at the “About This Site” link to the right.
Melvin
God was telling David not to kill Saul not to say that Saul was wicked. And most people use that when they are hiding things.
so what you are saying that God is not able and we have to move for him…hes crippled and handicapped and need assitance without him asking for it….the last time I checked he was all powerful….
YIPEEE!!!!!!!!! We can all go home and sit on our backsides now, because Anonymous has enlightened us that God isn’t handicapped, and He is going to evangelize the world, clothe the naked, feed the hungry, bind the wounded ALL BY HIMSELF!!! We have no God-ordained role……..Hey Mel, pass the popcorn. God doesn’t use people to accomplish His purposes.
Apparently the commands to expose the unfruitful works of darkness will get done without us. God must have been mistaken when He repeatedly told us to do it………
What a relief!! Can we turn this into a cartoon site??
(MN: As benevolent dictator, I don’t DO popcorn. That’s ms. mav’s job - even if she refuses to do it. )
By the power vested in me by our Benevolent Dictator………..and as the duly appointed and anointed Minister of Monikers………I hereby appoint Mrs Mav the Minister of Munchies.
Any further refusal to perform the duties inherent in her calling will be met with the strictest discipline in accordance with the tenets and by-laws of The Melvinite Cathedral of Perpetual Pimpery.
Mrs Mav…………deny yourself, take up your Jiffy Pop, and follow Melvin.
melville and gary- you have provoked me to this. no further objection will be stated heretofore. so let it be written…. so let it be done…..
i will not pop corn in my house
i will not pop corn w/ my spouse
i will not pop corn here or there
i will not pop corn anywhere!!
i shan’t go near the microvave
to pop the corn you dearly crave
i’m done you hear! no kernel you’ll see
from here on out, rice cakes for me.
i refuse your title- it’s not my job!
the only corn i touch is on a cob.
so get someone else to bid your task
i’m sure tweets would do it- if you’d only ask
oh, one other thing and then i’m through
last time i checked- wasn’t married to you
so i don’t have to obey what you just said
better yet, forget tweets and get nancyboo instead!
Uhh…Mav. Christian LRapper Ju are Hnot.
gridikins, why u aint feelin’ me…
lol
BTW Grid………..that ain’t rap. That’s vintage Dr Seuss. And well done too (wink)
see gridikins- gary was feeling me.
and i just love the way you stand up for your bride nancyboo. you’re a swell guy in my book in that regards.
And ONLY in that regard, eh Mav??
I can read between the lines……….
Well hey mav….if it pays the bills….:)
uh, grid- just what do you mean by that?
What I meant?? (huh?!) If your career as a Christian rapper (Dr. Rappin’ Seuss)continues to ascend, don’t allow me to hold you back!
If your album sales produce results, then who am I to say anything?
The only thing I probably could say at that point is….”Yes, two Dr. Rappin’ Seuss CD’s please.”
oh for the love of pizza!
garyboo, you’re a swell guy period.
happy now?
sheesh,
some people….
leads me to ask the question: What is preaching, and what is the purpose?
I suppose according to this new modern junk - preaching is nothing but “turn to your neighbor HAAA!!” or “This is your season, HAAA!!” or “No weapon formed against me shall prosper, HAAA!!”
overall, there is nothing out here with substance, therefore its leaving God’s people ignorant, lazy, and spoiled.
Psalm 105:15/1Chronicles 16:22 - These Old Testament scriptures are typically used to refer to the Kings of Israel.
(Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.)
“Touch” and do “harm” has to do with inflicting physical harm upon someone. Psalm 105:15/1 Chronicles 16:22 are wholly irrelevant to the issue of biblically trying false teaching by the Word of God.
No person’s teachings or practices are beyond biblical judgment
1 John 4:1
If a person claims to speak for Almighty God, but does not biblically pass the test of “doctrine” and “character,” their is no basis for accepting his/her claim and “no” reason to fear that in rejecting their teaching that the Believer might also be rejecting the one true and living God.
If any individual Christian is to be considered anointed, then “every” Christian “must” be as well. 1 John 2:20 Therefore “no” believer can justifiably claim any special status as God’s “Untouchable Anointed” over other Believers.
Every Believer must be aware that false teachers will arise among the fold, and this makes it imperative for us to try all thing by the Word of God. Acts 20:28-31, 2 Peter 2:1
The Lord Jesus has commanded the Believer to “Judge Righteous Judgment.”
John 7:24
1. Try them - 1 John 4:1
2. Mark them and Avoid them - Romans 16:17
3. Rebuke them - Titus 1:13
4. Have No Fellowship with them - Ephesians 5:11
5. Withdraw from them - 2 Thessolonians 3:16
6. Turn Away from them - 2 Timothy 3:5,7
7. Not receive them into our homes - 2 John 10
8. Reject Heretics - Titus 3:10
9. Separate from them - 2 Corinthians 6:17
10. Be Aware of them who preach another Jesus, another gospel, and another spirit
2 Corinthians 11:4
In the love of Jesus Christ,
Deb
Melvin’s Note: Thank you. You have hit the nail on the head and summed it up very nicely.
Melvin
This is the best I have read so far! I receive it and believe it. Get in the word and stay in it! Every word of God is true and every idle word spoken will come into judgement. I know the Bible is right…somebody is wrong.
Thank you Deb.
Jesus told his people what to expect in the last days, which is upon us, in Mat.24. In verses 22 & 24 he speaks of the elect and for there sake the days will be shortened else no one would be saved if it were possible for them to be decieved. The false prophets deception is so strong that MANY are being deceived. But for the grace of God the remnant, the 144,000, those that were chosen in him before the foundation of the world will endure til the end, though scarcly, cause some of us are temporarily deceived but will be shaken out of our stupor too. In verse 12 he said because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Over time the people have been rejecting Gods law and receiving small fox deceptions without realizing it til they don’t even recognize truth anymore. We have so many Oprah and Dr phil christians it aint’ even funny. We don’t get the strap on our kids anymore, divorce and remarriage is permitted in almost all the churches, the sabbath is desecrated, unlearned ministers bring the word on sunday morning, women are permitted to preach, the women choose to work rather than suffer a little season and raise the kids right, etc. In a nut shell the world has not only crept into the churches, it has taken over! Doctrin is not spoken of, and just as Revelations speak of the two witnesses being killed, this speaks of the true church and the message of the true church being silenced. The false church and the anti-christian society will finally shutdown the truth that torments them speaking against there lies. Be encouraged Melvin and Deb
one you are a fool,
two you either listen to her or shut your mouth and turn your telly off, i can see you are walking by sight and not by faith.
Touch not mine anointed and do my prohets no harm
all the Ministers that preach, what people want to hear are not exposed, except the ones that tell the truth. so what apostle Paul did not ask for money, well my brother where ever you are sent to cause this confussion, i cause heaven to send his fire upon that evil spirit upon you in Jesus Name. Remember we are in the 21st century and it is not the annointing that pays the bills, it is the cash. so what you might not have the $1000 the holy spirit led her to ask for, but there people out there that have this type of money to offer to God, Please allow God to be the Judge. May the Lord deliver you from gossip, big mouth, confusion, trouble and all that is affecting you, am a nurse and i think psychologically you are not well, i send deliverance to you in Jesus name.
SHALOM
Melvin’s Note: Please give me your name so I can make sure I don’t have you as a nurse if I get sick (or burned with the fire you called down on me).
This is witchcraft and that is the type of false doctrine you are being taught. You don’t have power to call fire down on anybody, if you did you would be on CNN. In all thy getting get an understanding. Get something in your head besides these imposters cd’s and tapes.
Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: (1 Peter 2:1-2)
Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas F7 they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
(1 Peter 2:12)
For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
(1 Peter 2:15)
Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
(1 Peter 2:23)
TO “nurse” YAHWEH:
1. Jesus, the same yesterday, today, and forever, rebukes you with the same words He rebuked His disciples in Luke 9:54-55:
“And when His disciples James and John saw this [a village of the Samaritans did NOT receive Jesus, because He was journeying with His face toward Jerusalem], they said, ‘Lord do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?
But He turned and rebuked them, and said, ‘YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT KIND OF SPIRIT YOU ARE OF;….”
2. According to Matthew 5:22, you, “nurse” Yahweh, are in no position to “cause Heaven to send fire” upon anyone:
“But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever shall say to his brother, ‘Raca,’ whall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever shall say, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.”
Be very sure that your guilt, brought about by your own foolish heart, biblically puts the skid on your wickedness! You’ve got a lot of repenting to do and may the Lord be merciful every morning or evening to those who are your “patients.”
Nurse YAHWEH,
Have you heard of The Peoples Church? Yeah, the pastor was James(Jim) Warren Jones. Lookem’ up, cause you sound like you on one.
LEARN SOME SCIPTURES AND LEAVE OPINION WITH UNLEARNED PEOPLE
No weapon formed against this mighty man of God shall prosper. God giveth not his servant the spirit of fear but of love, and of power, and of a sound mind. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but, mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds. Casting down imaginations and “every” high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ. Stand Melvin, you stand in the name of the true and living Jesus Christ, having your loins girt about with truth, and having the breastplate of righteousness. And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace. Above all taking the shield of faith wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God. Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints.
YAHWEH,
Jesus did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them. Perhaps you should began to call on the name of the Lord for salvation, rather than “trying” to call fire from heaven for destruction.
Hallelujah, the Devil is exceedingly angry at this website.
Praise Almighty God, it “must” be working for the Lord’s good, or Satan wouldn’t be so upset.
Keep up the great work Melvin, what a tremendous blessing it is!
In the love of the True and Living Jesus,
Deb
Dear Nurse,
“Bitter and sweet water cannot come from the same well.” How can you call yourself a Christian and at the same time “call fire” on Mr. Jones?! I pray that you will become learned in the Word of God and understand that this doctrine is dangerous to all christians, even Pastors like me. I once thought that getting approved for a loan meant “God’s Favor” was on me. I spent all my money, and filed bankruptcy in 2000. These “Word Faith” teachers were not there when I needed money, nor will they care when you do. Mrs. Weeks-Bind’em would tell you that I do not have true faith, but we are to “lay our treasures in heaven,” are we not? Let aside the personal attacks and LISTEN to what these folks are SAYING !!!!
P.S> What is “confussion”?
and they were not there when YOU spent it either..so why are you upset with them…..Your seed planting should have been done more wisely, PASTOR… you filed bankruptcy(integrity)…very important as a pastor, pay people what you owe them…that’s what your message should people for the people…be a testimony…not a tear-down of men/women of God because you had a wilderness experience..we all have wilderness experiences..it is for our making..and this is no one’s fault…when you accepted that office as pastor, you agreed to be broken, to be made over again, to be used for the glory of God….we want the office, but not the process, and always find someone to blame..God allowed it…talk to him about it…leave everyone else out of it…
Do any of you really know Christ? Not just reading the bible but have you ever got into a situation knowing that only God could get you out of or pull you through? Do any of you know the voice of God? I guess the best thing for me to do is to walk with Jesus and look around and see who else is walking with him.
ps. you guys need to ease up some
The effeminate christian of the ecumenical compromised world church:
a. You’re too harsh!
b. You have no love!
c. You guys need to “ease” up some!
1. The sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God:
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:6 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own house hold.
2. Does God accept worship from people who teach “FALSE DOCTRINE?”
Absolutely not! God does not accept worship based on a lie. He rejects it. He will “only” accept worship based on the truth.
John 4:23, …the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
3. What is Truth?
…thy word is truth. John 17:17
4. How can we know it?
…the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 1 Corinthians 2:13
…the anointing which ye have received of him [God] abideth in you… the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1 John 2:27
5. Who is the one with the false position?
The people who say, “Forget the nonessentials we all just love Jesus” are “dead” wrong. Know ye not that there is more than one Jesus and that we’re not all talking about the same one?
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, 2 Corinthians 11:4
In the love of the True and Living Jesus,
Deb
In all things we are suppose to imitate christ Jesus. Jesus did not beat around the bush when it came to confronting the religious leaders of his time. He called them serpents and a generation of vipers because they exploited the people for their own selfish gain. Are we not dealing with the same type of religious leaders today? Are we not to confront them as Jesus did and expose them as serpents and a generation of vipers of our time?
Yours in Christ Jesus,
Warren
I have taken the time to read each and every line in regards to the above-referenced matter. It appears that while there has been an heightened alert on Ms. Bynam Weeks, the problem is as much as I can see, that the CHURCH has had multiple Spiritual Abortions. There is no longer a reverence for God, just man. The Bible says, seek the lord while he may be found, call upon him while he is yet near. My suggestion would be to stop by the Word of God sometimes, allow him to speak to you and through you, wait for an answer in anticipation of what is said he will do. See, God didn’t change his mind, we changed.
Just follow God, I know he won’t let you down.
all of you read the bible for yourself
Proverbs 27:6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
Note: Word of Faith/Gospel of Prosperity:
It doesn’t matter who’s teaching it, it is a devilish LIE and “no” Lie is of the TRUTH!
2 Peter 2:1 …even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
1. Privily: Privately, secretly.
2. Damnable: In a low or ludicrous sense, odious, detestable, or pernicious.
3. Heresy: in law, is an offense against Christianity, consisting in a denial of some of its essential doctrines, publicly avowed and obstinately maintained.
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you…
1. Covetouness: A strong or inordinate desire of obtaining and possessing some supposed good; usually in a bad sense, and applied to an inordinate desire of wealth or avarice.
2. Feigned: Invented, devised, imagined, assumed.
3. Merchandise: The objects of commerce, wares, goods, commodities, whatever is usually bought or sold in trade. Trade, traffic, commerce.
2 Peter 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time; and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrist whereby we know that it is the last time.
Hebrews 3:12 Take heed brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God.
In the love of Jesus Christ Our Lord, Savior, and God!
Deb
It is my assumption that you all haven’t even taken the time to talk with these people whose name you scandalize before placing them on blast, CHRISTIANS. Read Matthew 18:15-20. So, who are the hypocrites? Consider the manner you speak against them–is it to warn of false prophets or just to speak on who you think is ungodly? Has GOD told you that these people are wrong? Now, let’s see if you all post this one!
Melvin’s Note: Read some of the previous comments and posts. Matthew is for personal/private offenses. These men and women preach this trash publicly. Is there any indication that Paul went to Peter privately before correcting him in front of the entire church? And Yes, God has told me these people are wrong. They are saying things contradicted by the Bible (which God wrote). How am I scandalizing them by repeating what they say? IS what they say scandalous? And when did I mention hypocrites in this posting?
By the way, there is no “all.” There is just “me.”
Hey, let’s be real. A person making millions off of the revelation of God would never want to discuss the viability or biblical validity of their message. I am sure they get thousands of e-mails telling them they are way off course, but the reality is they either KNOW they are off course, in which case they don’t care, or they BELIEVE they are on course so that any amount of discussion is a waste of time. The only thing that can be done is to discuss it OPENLY and objectively in these forums. I think that people would appreciate reading this stuff and not just listen to one person citing this scripture and another person citing another scripture. Any doctrine worth its salt should and can be discussed by open minded thinking people. When you don’t do that, you open yourself up to fanatical, unfounded beliefs for which people kill each other in the name of God. Any thing that anyone says should be allowable, discussible and supportable in an open debate. Personally, I think many of these mega-preachers are WAY OFF the mark. Having grown up in a multi-preacher family, I have seen true dedication and biblical faith in real life. I could point to people who preached the gospel and never profited AT ALL from it but never stopped. I can’t believe they were wrong. One thing I DO know, they did not call themselves Doctor and then when someone said “from whence cometh your doctorate?” they called that person a blasphemer. When you place yourself in the public eye, you must be up front and honest in order for your message (straight from God or not) to be received and believed.
Even God’s true prophets miss the mark sometimes. Just because a person is a prohet (prophetess) does not mean they don’t make mistakes. Give Ms. Bynum a break….don’t talk about her….pray for her if you feel like she has done something that is not inline with the word of God. We have to stop treating folks who are called like they are God and realize they are vessels used by God and they are still susceptible to human error. While I do not agree with money schemes and whatnot….I do believe that Ms. Bynum IS a true prophet of God. God has given her magnificent prophetic insight and she has an extraordinary gift for prophetic writing. Although I believe that she is a true prophet of God….that does not mean I believe that she is entirely perfect and without flaws. She is human and she is just as capable of making a bad business decision as anyone else. When I say business decision I am referring to her decision to get on TBN asking for money. Melvin’s Note: But if God was talking to her, and telling her to do this, how could it have been a bad decision? She said: “The Holy Ghost has already spoken to me that there are 7,000 people that are watching right now….” How could she be mistaken? The Old Testament says that if a prophet, claiming to be repeating what God has said to them (e.g. The Holy Spirit told me…), gets something wrong - just once - you are to turn from that false prophet. He has to be right one hundred percent of the time, no errors, no mistakes.
We can’t expect everyone to be perfect ALL the time. We ALL make mistakes.
To the owner of this site…..I do understand your concern but we must be very careful that what we put out there comes from the Lord God and not from the flesh, Satan or the world. God is not a God of confusion and He will not give a person who is not of His seed prophetic insight. You are assuming she has prophetic insight, whatever that is) Prophets do NOT only foretell the future they also forthtell it. Prophets also have an extraordinary gift for seeing what the Word of God is saying in the spirit and then relaying it in terms that mere infants can understand. Propetess Bynum has this gift.
I am not bashing the owner of this site….but I will say that I stand behind Ms. Bynum 100%. I am a child of God and the Spirit of God in me bears witness with the Spirit of God in her.
God bless all…..
WHEN DO YOU SUPPORT WHAT YOU RE SAYING WITH SCIPTURE P.S. BIRDS OF A FEATHER FLOCK TOGETHER [YOUR READING AND NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT YOU READ EPHESIANS 3:4 WHEREBY, WHEN YOU READ. YE MAY UNDERSTAND MY KNOWLEDGE IN THE MYSTERY OF CHRIST
It has been interesting reading all of this and I think that we should take even more heed to the Word of God. Deb and others have really given us some great scriptures to meditate on and to comply to. Those of you or us who are offended by the facts that have been brought up need to check and see if we are hooked on Juanita or Jesus. I used to go see Juanita Bynum when it was only 40 of us in a room. She wasn’t the popular one in her family, her younger brother was. He was a pastor and everyone knew his name. Juanita was in obscurity. But even in obscurity, she was teaching and preaching the same thing, except the number was smaller like “The Lord said give $77.00 tonight. I have even been in a service where she asked for people’s jewelry. I really enjoyed her ministry, but we all have to KNOW the Word enough to understand when someone has gone off the deep end. I am not a Juanita hater, nor am I a fan. But for those of you who would take what she or any other human says as truth OVER the Word of God, be careful and pray that God would strengthen you in His Word. We must be followers of Jesus. Be blessed everyone and as much as possible…..share, but don’t attack, just share. Have a great day! Tayla
Surely, you can’t believe that EXACTLY 7,000 people were watching the broadcast who God wanted to give a special blessing? Wouldn’t it really be more like 7,223 or 7,081? But numbers aside, why would God want an individual to give a $1000, but only at the behest of Wanita? Couldn’t He simply ask the 7,000 people himself? Is God taking a short cut? Why does God need us christians to believe the prophet (we who are already saved) to hear from him? I talked to God this morning, but when he wants me to do something, I have to tune in to TBN at the same time Wanita is on. Does God lead me to the television at that appointed time? Does He insure that no one calls me during the broadcast? Does He have to keep me from hearing a different broadcast an hour earlier in which a prophet says that 4,000 people have $500 in their bank account and need to release it? Complex communication and coordination system from a God who created a whole universe that is less complex. Sounds silly when you look at it that way doesn’t it? Reality check. God can and does talk through the spirit to us all, generally speaking, the person who actually hears from God does not benefit financially from the experience. So what we have left is a public who really wants something for nothing and those prophets who stoop low enough to cater to that greed are temporarily in the spotlight.
“The most powerful sermon ever preached is the one that is lived”.
Ms Bynum does not live what she preaches.
The Doctrine of Devils:
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter time some shall depart from the faith giving ” heed” to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.
The Word-Faith/Prosperity gospel is “BLASPHEMY AGAINT THE HOLY GHOST”:
Kenneth Copeland, say’s that God told him:
These jokers are of the world, therefore speak they of the world and the world “not” the born again christian but, the “world” heareth them. 1 John 4:5
Those That Are Christ:
1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is “not” of God heareth “not” us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
By the way, Creflo Dollar say’s that Kenneth is his “spiritual” father!
Amos 3:3 Can two walk together except the be agreed?
In the love of Jesus Christ,
Deb
No, Melvin I know she has prophetic insight…her writing displays that and if you were doing this by the hand of God you would first of all know what prophetic insight is and second of all you would have the discernment to see it. (Melvin’s Note: But if it is of God, why does it contradict His word? )
The spirit in which you are doing this is not of God.
Ms. Daffeny,
“Anyone” who teaches that which is contrary “Word of Faith/Prosperity Gospel” to the Words of the Lord Jesus and His apostles, “cannot” be a minister of Christ, let alone His prophet/prophetess.
2 John 9 - 10
v - 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth “not” in the doctrine of Christ, hath “NOT” God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
v - 10 If there come any unto you and bring “not” this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
Deuteromony 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow “not,” nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath “not” spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Jeremiah 23:21 I have “not” sent these prophets, yet they ran. I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
Jeremiah 23:26 How L O N G shall this be in the “heart” of the prophets that prophesy “lies”? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart.
A Word from Almighty God:
2 John 9:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his “EVIL” deeds.
In the Love of Jesus Christ,
Deb
Deb I believe that you are truly a bible scholar and its well that you support Mel, But dont forget to tell them about the Pharisee and Sadducee spirits, and most of all lets not forget about the great presentation Of Jesus writing in the sand, He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone. I believe that everyone has a right to their own opinion, but dont forget the word states, Vengeance is mine, I shall repay. Deb you have a great gift and you are will probably be a great professor, I said that not God! Use your gift to enlighten others but dont tear them down. Remember, we are our brother’s keeper and by that we pray for them and allow God to do what he needs to do in their life because we all have sin and come short of the glory. Let each man work out his own soul salvation. What a man soweth that shall he also reap, if you sew judgement you will also reap it. Be careful what you say, what you do, and who you do it to. Love covers a multitude of sin dont it. Thank God for Love.
Dear Ms. Nikki:
You advocate a premissive kind of Love. A love that is called “Tolerance.” A love that hears no evil, sees no evil, and frankly never brings evil up for discussion least the offenders become the offended.
Please enlighten me, what does John 8:1-10 have to do with exposing the devilish doctrine of the false teacher/prophets of our day?
The Word of God reveals that Jesus Himself, John 8:37-47exposed the scribes and the Pharisees as the children of the devil.
And what is this you say, “sow judgment?” Have you no understanding of scipture?
God has commanded the beliver to Judge:
1 John 7:24 - Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgement.
1 Corinthians 2:15 - But he that is “spiritual” JUDGES ALL THINGS, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but “try” the spirits whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Here it is written in the KJV - HOLY BIBLE that the Believer is to JUDGE and to TRY all things against the Word of God. This kind of judgment is “not” hypocritical as in Matthew 7:1-5, but it is based purely and solely against the Word of the Living God.
Ms. Nikki,
I say this in love but personally, I am not impressed by scripture quoting demons.
Please!!!!!!!
2 Timothy 2:15 - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Proverbs 4:7 - Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom; and with all thy getting get understanding
In the love of Jesus the Christ,
Deb
Ms. Deb,
The fact that Ms. Bynum asked people to sow seeds is contridicting the word of God? How so? Although I do not agree that merely sowing seeds will cause a shower of blessings to fall….I do however believe that God could have been using Ms. Bynum to confirm something that he had already put on the hearts of some people. What I mean is…..God may have put it in some folks hearts to sow seeds that night and He may have used Ms. Bynum to confirm that.
Remember when David distrusted God and decided to flee to the Philistines in order to escape Saul (1 Sam 27)? I wonder how many folks said that David contridicted God when he did that or said that David COULD NOT possibly be the annointed king of Israel if he didn’t trust God at that particular time? I also wonder how many people realize that God used David’s distrust to put him in a position to get the city of Ziklag….a city that was given to Israel way back in the days of Joshua and Moses but was never occupied by Israel because it was inhabited by pagans? I also wonder how many folks keep God in a box saying He wont do this or He will not allow that and if you do such and such you are not of God. God’s word says that He causes ALL things to work together for the good of those who love Him. Who is to say that He did not use Ms. Bynum that night? Who in this world can give counsel to God and tell Him what He should have done….or what he meant to do? I wonder if Moses was considered a fake because he was not allowed to enter the promised land because of his temper?
How many of you are free of sin and do ALL things perfectly? If you don’t understand why something is happening….then say that….but to not be so quick to judge someone JUST because you lack the eyes of understanding and wisdom of the Lord. I have yet to see Ms. Bynum contridict scripture. What I see here is some folks who are trying to discredit a person when they themselves are far from perfect….as we ALL are.
And while you’re working Daffeny, be sure to warn others about the wolves, just like Jesus dis when he told the working class to “Beware the Pharisees!”
In these last days, truly the great falling away is evident. People are tossed to and fro, and carried about with “every” wind of doctrine by the sleight of evil men.
Rather than earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints, people are kicking against the Word of God in defense of false teachers.
Warning!
These false teachers of the The Word-Faith/Prosperity Gospel are key figures in the “ecumenical” compromised world Church. They are pawns in the hand of Satan, being used of Him to bring Christianity under the banner of the Global, One World Religion. They encourage “unity” that brings everyone together under a universal god.
In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, let everyone that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity!
In the love of Jesus Christ,
Deb
In the Gospel the disciples wanted Jesus to back them up after telling people who were doing work in His name that they had to stop because they didn’t belong to their group. He refused. I’m content He still knows the sheep from the goats and isn’t going to have any trouble sorting them out.
You can use the Scriptures to support any opinion you have on just about any issue. The key is to discerning them. And if you think that’s an easy thing to do– well, I disagree. My own pastor’s are extraordinary men, but on the issue of divorce they are under influencing spirits that I call compromise and compassion. The point is that nobody gets it right everytime. We are all influenced in our discernment by what we want to believe going in. I could be wrong, but in my experience, when it was God, it was something I REALLY didn’t want to do or had no reason to believe I could do. When it wasn’t God, it came so easily, it laid out so perfectly, and it was usually a good, caring idea–but I would be hip deep in it before I would realize that I had taken a wrong turn. And thank You, God, that when I went running to Him with my mistake, He would tell me how to get myself out of it and turn it to His glory.
Going on too long here, but ANYTIME you are absolutely sure of your judgements and your opinions—you probably ought to be quiet because you are probably wrong. As for Juanita Bynum, she used to scare the #@% out of me. Now that I’m rereading my Bible and continuing my studies for the 4th time/5th year, I’ve discovered that she is a hardcase for God. If you live the way that she teaches, you don’t walk out when the going gets tough, you don’t back away for the enemy when he gets in your family and business, and your church, you understand that supernatural is REAL and that it’s a real war–already won, but alot of mopping up action as the enemy wants to kill as many as he can, and failing that, just make them miserable since he knows his time is short.
Sure fire test for when God is in the mix? Does it cause divisiveness? If it does, it isn’t God. Juanita does alot of good work, and if she lives large–hallelujah! My Bible says repeatedly that God will overflow our cup while we are yet here in the world. I’m going to her conference in Nov ‘06. (fool that you would have me believe I am, I have happily paid the $50 to make sure I have one of the 5000 seats, and as it happens—I’ve never otherwise contributed to her ministry except for buying her books, after I’ve borrowed and read them. I’ve never read anything in them that wasn’t on point spiritually and with the Word. And I check that by study and prayer of the Scriptures themselves.
I like your site by the way. Just think your sight needs a little work. How many people who have come to Jesus or have begun to feel the stirrings of the Spirit from listening to Juanita, reading your site, will be put off of Christ because they decide to listen to you instead? After all, if following Jesus actually allows you to take the Gospel to all the world, run a variety of outreach ministries that do tremendous good, and allows you to be blessed financially, too, then you must be a false prophet and a conartist? That’s not very Biblical. Juanita is drawing people to Christ, she is demanding they get into the Word, she is telling them God loves them—and you’re telling everyone she’s a liar. Good job. Not.
Ms. Daffaney,
Again I say in the love of Jesus The Christ,
2 John 9:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his “EVIL” deeds.
Amen!
Deb
I also say that EVERYONE is not a fake or a fraud. There are many out there but Juanita Bynum is NOT one of them. She is human and is not exempt from human error. At one point she WAS full of herself…I could see it in her….but what impressed me was…she also begin to see it in herself….she said herself…that God told her that He was NOT happy with the condition of her heart. He then led her to write the book, “Matters of the Heart”. In this book she talks about how she was more concerned about her ministry than God…and she had to repent and ask God to fix her heart. False prophets don’t realize any wrong that they do. They are driven by their own lusts and desires and are unable to discern God telling them ANYTHING about themselves because they believe they are perfect. Juanita Bynum does not fall into that category.
We need to stop pointing fingers at others and ask ourselves a question. Am I perfect and without sin? If you are….then you must be Jesus Christ Himself.
Hey Daffeny can you tell me how many false prophecies a prophet gets before he becomes a false prophet??
binks
75…yes, 75
Daffney…..so she received revelation….wrote it down, packaged it up, and SOLD it to you. Sounds like big business to me.
Did you buy the $500 prayer kit also, and tell us how you feel, about someone selling you a kit designed for prayer, and charging you 500 bones for it. Is that biblical, and there is no denying it, the evidence was on their site for your purchasing.
binks
Hi Daffeny, I read “Matters of the Heart,” and I remember Juanita Bynun making those comments in her book, but that was then and this is now. Its plan and clear that she is still driven by her own lust and desire. She has fallen back into her old ways. She once knew the truth, but turned from the truth, all for the love of money. Repent means to change. There is a difference when a person is walking in the spirit and they make a mistake, not intentionally, but they admitt to that error and ask for forgiveness and seek change from a person who is practicing sin. Juanita Bynum and the rest of the pimps are practicing their pimp life style. They are using Jesus as a product.
Now, if Bynum realize the error of her heart tomorrow or when ever and repent and turn back to the real word of God, then fine, that would be all good, but until then she is a pimpette, a false prophet.
Melvin is not judging, he is doing just what the word of God says– James 5: 19-20
“Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way, shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.”
Daffeny,
There is a difference between claiming to be sinless and pointing out heresies that are spoken. I was watching one night when Juanita Bynum said some blasphemous things, including telling the ushers to remove everyone who wasn’t standing on their feet “praising” to be removed from the building. Read Deu. 18:22. Although people are fallible and make mistakes (like me) a “prophet” has a ZERO margin for error. Quite simply, if a prophecy doesn’t come to pass, it is not from God. According to scripture, (Jer. 23:16-31) peopel who make these claims are NOT speaking the word of the Lord.
well..what prophecies have prop bynum made that you know of for a fact didnot come to pass..didnot when Jesus went to heal Jarious daughter he put out those that lacked faith…so that he could do what God sent him to do….
(MN: Ladies and gentlemen, I do believe Righter’s substitute has made her debut (I assume Franklin is a “she” since “she” keeps calling me “Sweetie.”). She has a string of comments that pretty much go in circles. I’m going to post all of those. But I suspect Franklin (aka Anonymous) is going to be banned unless her rhetoric takes a turn for the more rational. Read all the postings and tell me what you think. )
Here’s some false prophesies…….
“Your miracle is attached to what’s in your pocket right now! You’re trying to hold on to it, but God sent me to tell you to, ‘Let it go! Let it go!’” (Juanita Bynum, TBN, Fall Praise-A-Thon, November 1, 2004)
“God said, ‘Pick up the phone right now!’ He said, ‘1,000 persons, you are going to sow the $1,000 seed.’ You got to! You got to tonight! There is a miracle on it! I know what I’m talking about! He brought me in here to tell you that!” (TBN, Fall Praise-A-Thon, November 1, 2004)
“Somebody right here in television land, God said, ‘$1,000.’ You’re sitting there saying, ‘You know what? All I got is $1,000.’ If that’s all you got, oh Jesus! Then you got the miracle seed in your hand!” (TBN, Fall Praise-A-Thon, November 1, 2003)
“You need to send a thousand dollars. If you can’t send a thousand, send five hundred…if all you have is a nickel, wrap it in tissue and put it in an envelope. If all you have is your clothes, send them.” (TBN, Fall Praise-A-Thon, November 8, 2003)
“If all you have is $79.36, I double-dare you to empty your bank account. Close your account.” (TBN, Fall Praise-A-Thon, November 8, 2003)
“If you want the power, you have to sow the seed.” (TBN, Fall Praise-A-Thon, November 8, 2003)
“You’ve got three days to get that into your mailbox. I’m not afraid to say this. I am walking in my authority…if you don’t postmark it by the tenth, we will not accept it. God says you have three days to get your thousand-dollar seed in the mail.” (TBN, Fall Praise-A-Thon, November 8, 2003)
“You cannot violate the principle. You have to give. If you don’t have any money then you’d better get a penny in your hand or something.” (TBN, Fall Praise-A-Thon, November 8, 2003)
“Some of ya’ll sitting there holding your wallet…God said, ‘Give it to me! Give it to me! Give it to me! Show me how much you love me! Give it to me! I want to know if you’re mine! If you’re really mine. How come you can’t hear me say, write the check?’” (TBN, Fall Praise-A-Thon, November 1, 2004)
“Some of you watching and you might be saying, ‘Let me pray about it and see if God is talking to me.’ You don’t have to see if God is talking to you if you got a $77.00 seed offering in any bank account or pocket. He is talking to you. You need to pick up the phone because I’m telling you, tonight there is an anointing in this studio with your name on it. You need to get a seed into the network tonight.” (”Daystar Fall Share-A-Thon,” September 21, 2004)
“I’m going to get my seed in the ground because what I make happen for somebody else, God is going to make happen for me. Pick up the phone! I don’t care if the lines are busy for half the night. Keep on trying! Put it on redial! Put it on redial! Tell the Devil that, ‘I got an emergency! I need something! I need something from God and God needs something from me!’” (”Daystar Fall Share-A-Thon,” September 21, 2004)
“Pick up the phone! It may be your last $77.00 seed offering. But you pick up the phone and you make that pledge. Because God is ready to turn some things around for you!”(”Daystar Fall Share-A-Thon,” September 21, 2004)
“If you’re one of those three people that the Lord spoke through me moments ago about a million dollar gift. Whether you’re that professional athlete, whether you’re that successful businessman or whether you’re that woman that has been blessed. You do what the Lord is telling you to do. Because, when God speaks about a significant seed, He has a significant miracle on His mind. [Jaunita Bynum: "Yes!"] God doesn’t play games! And that’s serious business when you start talking about levels like that. [Jaunita Bynum: "That's Right!"] That’s because God has a significant miracle on His mind.” (Marcus Lamb, “Daystar Fall Share-A-Thon,” September 21, 2004)
The last time seen on TBN’s “Beg-A-Thon” she spread the studio floor with tallits……….Jewish prayer shawls. Now, this is significant because those shawls (which Christ and the Apostles wore) are symbolic of the Word of God.
The shawls have strands called “Tzitzit”, consisting of eight dangling threads, or more accurately, four threads doubled over. A total of five knots are customarily tied into the threads. Between the knots, one of the threads is wound around the others.
There are a number of symbolisms in the knots and windings.
The five knots tied in each tassel can be viewed as symbolic of the five Books of Moses. In English, these books are known as Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
The knots and windings are also considered symbolic of the Shema (shem-ah): Shema Yisrael Adonai Elohenu Adonai Echad —
“Hear Oh Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One” [Deuteronomy 6:4]. The five knots can be viewed as representing the first five (Hebrew) words of the Shema.
The woman with the issue of blood in MAT 9 wasn’t reaching for the hem of Jesus’ garment just to get His attention. She was grabbing for the tzitzit…….the representation of the Word and the Name of God on the hem of Christ’s tallit.
Mat 9:20 And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind [him], and touched the hem of his garment:
She laid hold of the representation of God’s Word and Name by faith in Christ……….and Jesus felt Virtue go out of Him in response to her faith.
Now, get the picture………….Juanita has these symbols of the Word and Name of God spread ON THE STUDIO FLOOR. She then proceeds to walk all over them (as she does to the Word regularly) pouring oil on them. Jan Crouch is following behind her like some pink-haired poodle, walking on the tallits and dripping oil as well.
These prayer shawls were going to be cut up and mailed to those who gave during the “Beg-A-Thon”. They were instructed to wear them for 21 days………put them under their kid’s mattresses……….whatever. Selling a miracle.
The best part was when she pulled off her anointing oily socks and gave them to a woman and told her to wear them and “Walk in authority” LOL!!!
So, we have Juanita, Jan, the cameraman, etc walking on the symbol of God’s Word and Name, just to cut them up and send them to the highest bidders, prophesying that miracles will follow.
Heck, she even managed to one-up the other shysters again……….most of the others stick to the $1000 vow, or whatever. She claimed GOD TOLD HER that 3 millionaires were being led by God to give a million each to TBN. Didn’t happen, apparently…………you KNOW Paul Crouch and his pink poodle wife would have been CROWING about it all over the airwaves for WEEKS!!!
How’s those for false prophesies?? Saying EXPLICITLY that God TOLD HER to do this nonsense.
THIS is the pimpette you are defending……….
Jeremiah 14:14 Then the Lord said unto me, the prophets prophesy lies in my name; I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them. They prophesy unto you a “false vision, and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.”
That Woman “Jezebel,” Which Calleth Herself a Prophetess:
“Your miracle is attached to what’s in your pocket right now! You’re trying to hold on to it, but God sent me to tell you to, ‘Let it go! Let it go!’”
(Juanita Bynum, TBN, Fall Praise-A-Thon, November 1, 2004)
“Somebody right here in television land, God said, ‘$1,000.’ You’re sitting there saying, ‘You know what? All I got is $1,000.’ If that’s all you got, oh Jesus! Then you got the miracle seed in your hand!”
(Juanita Bynum, TBN, Fall Praise-A-Thon, November 1, 2004)
“Some of ya’ll sitting there holding your wallet…God said, ‘Give it to me! Give it to me! Give it to me! Show me how much you love me! Give it to me! I want to know if you’re mine! If you’re really mine. How come you can’t hear me say, write the check?’” (Yep. Sounds like she claims to be quoting God.)
(Juanita Bynum, TBN, Fall Praise-A-Thon, November 1, 2004)
1 Titus 1:11 Whose mouths “must” be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not for filthy lucre’s sake.
FILTHY: Obtained by base and dishonest means; as filthy lucre
Polluted; defiled by sinful practices; morally impure.
Dirty; foul; unclean; nasty.
LUCRE: Gain in money or goods; profit, usually in an ill sense, or with the sense of something base or unworthy.
1 Timothy 6:5 Perverse disputing of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness from such withdraw thyself.
In the love of the True and Living Jesus Christ,
Deb
DEB KEEP LETTING GOD USE YOU AMEN
The Apostle Paul’s Warning to the Christian Church:
ACTS Chapter 20:26-31
26: Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.
27: For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
28: Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
29: For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30: Also of your “ownselves” shall men arise, “speaking perverse things,” to draw away disciples after them.
PERVERSE THINGS:
The Word of Faith/Prosperity Gospel is dangerous, deceptive,
diabolical, and it is the doctrine of Anti-Christ!
GRIEVOUS WOLVES:
Paul and Jan Crouch, T. D. Jakes, Earl Paulk, Eddie Long, Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Jaunita Bynum Weeks, III., Kenneth Hagin, Marilyn Hickey, Clarence McClendon, John Avanzina, Leroy Thompson, Oral/Richard Roberts, Paul Yoggie Cho, Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyers, Joel Osteen, Rod Parsley, Frederick K. C. Price, Jerry Savelle, R. W. Schambach, Robert Tilton, and a host of others.
Thus Saith The Holy Ghost:
31: Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to “WARN” everyone night and day with tears.
In the Love of the True and Living Jesus,
Deb
I’am truly amazed at the constance, tearing down of saints against saints its no wonder that the sinner man don’t want any part of the church In Eph.6: it saids brethern if a man be taken in a fault, ye which are spiritual restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted,
It did not say anything about calling them all kinds of names and tearing them down, and saying things that you could not know. Saul before he became paul thought that he was doing God a favor as well, but I remember he stop him on the road to damacus and ask him why was he prosercuting him, I pray that we would learn to manifest the love of God like Jesus manifested the love of God to us all when he forgave and died for us while we were yet sinners , and remember satan is the accursers of the bretheren.
May God continue to bless you with his word of truth and faith to believe that all evil will be dealt with he called us to reconcile man to God, he is the one who does the exposing of evil, God sent an evil spirit to king saul and even tho he wanted and attempted many time to expose of David, David would not touch him tho he had many chances but because he was Gods anointed he did not touch him, the God says he will separated the tare from the wheat.
God bless you all
Denise,
You must be a new reader. You just stepped through, in fine fashin, all the misused and twisted scripture any one who figures we are just supposed to “love each other” or otherwise allow the supposed men and women of God to go on consuming the sheep, use. And I must say you did it rather efficiently.
It’s interesting that you chose Saul, a man who God had rejected because he consistently disobeyed God, as the example of who should be left alone. Afterall, David was told not to bother the man because God was about to destroy him. Should I not say anything about these people because God is about to destroy them? Perhaps. But why not warn people away from them so the people will not share in the destruction of these men and women?
Why not use the example of Jesus, John the Baptist, Paul, Isaiah, Zechariah and a host of others and how they dealt with the false prophets and the priests who consumed the sheep? These men of God use such terms as vipers, wolves, hypocrites, lazy beasts, whited sepulchres, and other tremendously offensive terms. In warning the people, why should I not emulate them?
Indeed we (Christians) should manifest the Love of God toward one another. But can you, with any confidence, say that men and women who preach that Jesus suffered in hell for our sins because His death on the cross was not enough are brothers and sisters in Christ?
Bringing attention to the wrong a man does publicly is not being an accuser of the brethren. Look at the much maligned verse in context.
Then again, anyone who can defend Juanita Bind’em and her money grubbing, heresy preaching tactics. probably wouldn’t have a good understanding of what it means to be a Christian, walking in faith, submitting yourself to the Word of God, or looking at a verse or two in context.
Hey Denise, it’s not about tearing down other saints it’s about calling out these hucksters (for better terms:-)) who easily manipulate and deceive the poor sheep. Jesus wasn’t all to loving when he called out the Pharisees in Matthew 23 by calling them HYPOCRITES!!! These hucksters are not governed by God they are governed by greed. They are not led by the Spirit; they are propelled by pride. They are marshmallow phonies who excel in emotion and fail in doctrine. They strip-mine faith to get a dollar and rape the pew to get a payment. Our master unveiled their scams and so must we.
You mentioned that the sinners don’t want any part of church. I believe it’s because of these hucksters and not because of people who “quote on quote” tears them down. I said this in an earlier post about an unsaved woman I was witnessing to. She doesn’t want any part of church because she believes that they’re more interested in your donation than your salvation.
God Bless You
Deb, you forgot to mention your pastors name under the grievous wolves!
my goodness! You’ve just listed just about everyone who is actively taking the Word around the world, telling them they are sinners, that God loves them anyway, and to surrender themselves to the Lord Jesus Christ with repentence for forgiveness and eternal life because He is the way, the truth and the light. You’d prefer they’d just shutup?
And whose side are you on????
Gotta go. Boy, these decisive sites suck you in before you realize what’s happening.
I will depart now and not bother you with anymore of my opinions, but living proof right here on this site for anyone who wants to test the Scriptures that say the devil knows the Scriptures, too.
Will be interesting to see if this is posted. I hope I can resist the temptation to check.
(MN: Melanie, unless you say something personal or unsubstantiated by the pimps, or you use foul language, or you engage in personal insult to the other readers/commentors, I publish just about everything. I even clean them up sometimes to help you out. BTW: I hope you couldn’t resist the temptation to see if I posted this. )
It seems that you all have no knowledge of the power of God. I guess that is why God said “My people perish for the lack of knowledge.
The bible says “touch not my anointed, and do my prophet no harm”. And as I began to read, my stomach began to turn. Don’t you know that she is a child of God? And who are to judge? The bible says, if you judge than you’ll be judged. You better hope for your sake that she doesn’t get a hold of this mess. Because the Bible says that we as His children, whatever touches us, touches Him, He said that we are the apple of His eye. He said if we hold our peace, He will fight our battle.
You better know what you are doing. And as a sister in Christ to Juanita Bynum, I come against that spirit of Lying and Error (show me the lies, show me the errors) in the Name Of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I bind that lying spirit, I bind the spirit of error and I loose the spirit of Truth, I bind that spirit of jealousy and loose the Love of God in the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Lord God you said whatever I bind on earth will be bound in Heaven, and whatsoever I loose on earth will be Loosed in Heaven. God will not be mocked. I plead the Blood of Jesus over Juanita Bynum ministry right now in the Name of Jesus Christ, I plead the blood of Jesus over her life right now, in the Name of Jesus Christ, and I decree that no WEAPON that is FORMED AGAINST her shall PROSPER. Lord you said whatsoever a man decree, it shall be established unto thee. Lord you said that you would make our enemies our footstool. Show yourself strong in this situation, oh God, this is not bigger than you. Because you are God, the Great I AM.
Get you some Glory out of this, and what the devil meant for bad, make good oh God. I’ll forever give you the Glory, Honor, and Praise that is due your name. Thank you Lord Amen.
(Melvin’s Note: Wow. I’m impressed. I believe this is the first comment that has used all of the cliched knee-jerk responses in a single posting. Outstanding! And congratulations!!
Ladies and gentlemen, do you see why the profitess is able to to continue to skim money from these poor people? Pray for them. And maybe even pray for Ms. Bind’em (although I think she knows better). )
A couple of things: by no means do I desire to be comprehensive but I would l comments. If I repeat one of the points made earlier with regard the truth please forgive me; it is hard to read everything said on here and remember what is said.
1. “Touch not my anointed!”
I find it interesting that people tend to use this scripture in reference to our contemporary situation. As far as I know, people in scripture made comments against “anointed” people all of the time. The Old Testament prophets spoke against KINGS. That was the ultimate disrespect. They, like Saul, were also anointed but were called to the carpet when God was rebuking the nation. We also know that according to Romans 13, God appoints leaders of nations and yet Jesus spoke against Herod and the Pharisees OFTEN, God’s anointed to lead the people. Hmmm, let’s look at an example:
Matt 23:
1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: 3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
They were so anointed that they sat in the Seat of Moses, only Jesus replaces Moses. Sounds like we can speak against wrong at anytime God calls us to do so.
2. When did Jesus ever pull a Pharisee or even the head Pharisee aside to have a conversation about changing? As far as is recorded, Jesus NEVER went to a Pharisee personally and asked them to repent for their sin. Instead, He called them out publically in front of everyone. This “be nice,” “don’t judge,” nonesense is a reason why people choose not to repent. The word of God was sent to divide (Matt 10:34-35).
I have a lot more to say. I will speak more later.
God Bless,
Marcus
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul; but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Dear Child of God:
God has not given me the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
In obedience, I JUDGE all things according to the Word of the Living God which is righteous judgment. He that is spiritual judges all things yet, he himself is judged of no man. We are not to believe every spirit but, commanded of God Himself, to try them so as not to be deceived by false prophets/teachers of our day.
Understand! My allegiance is to the one True and Living God, and Jesus Christ His only begotten Son!
May be that the Lord will lead Mrs. Jaunita B. Weeks to Melvin’s website “Pulpit Pimps.” My prayer O Lord is “not” my will but, thy will be done.
In the love of Jesus, my Lord, Savior, and God!
Deb
I’ve told you before and I’ll tell you again: I am a pimple on the side of the pimps’ buttocks. I doubt they will ever take notice of me. And that is good because that means I can continue to bring to light their gimmick, heresies, and schemes. (Romans 16:17-18)
Marcus Lamb: President of Daystar Christian Television Network
2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first that there shall com in the last days scoffers walking after their won lust…
“And God is saying, ‘Move today.’ It could be that you need a new house! It could be that you need a better car! It could be that you need a promotion on the job…It could be that you’ve been praying for that son to get saved…You’ve been praying that God would restore your marriage…I say to you today, ‘Don’t just throw your seed. Sow your seed!’ There is a difference. You can call up today and make a pledge and that’s great! And I say, ‘God bless you.’ But if you don’t have an intended purpose for that seed then all you did is throw that seed instead of sow that seed.” (Melvin’s Note: In other words - if you have a problem, send us some money and God will fix that problem for you. So now God is for hire? This is no different than the selling of indulgences when Luther was around.)
(Marcus Lamb, “Daystar Spring Share-A-Thon,” March 11, 2005)
“I can tell you this for many people who have never done it. It’s a different level of faith. It may seem like something beyond what you are able to do. That’s when you know it’s God. Because, it’s not something that you can just do naturally. It’s not something that you would do in the flesh. It’s not something that you would do of your own accord. It’s a God thing. It’s bigger than you are. That’s why God tests you by going to a level like this. He’s wanting to see if He can trust you. Can He, He’s wanting to see if you can recognize His voice. Can you act uhh, on faith upon what He says? And when you do, God can see that He can trust you with a $1,000 gift then He can see that He’s going to be able to intrust you with so much more. But if He can’t trust you to give $1,000, how can He trust you to receive $100,000 or $250,000. It’s a trust thing. It’s a test.”
(Marcus Lamb, “Daystar Fall Share-A-Thon,” September 14, 2004)
Jude 16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lust; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.
Jude 17 But beloved, remember ye the word which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jude 18 How that they told you there shall be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their won ungodly lust.
Jude 19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, have “not” the Spirit.
In the love of Jesus Christ,
Deb
God’s Child,
The fact that you quoted “God is not mocked” while defending the prophetess speaks volumes to me. I would never mock God, for I am His humble servant. (even though in our sin, we all have mocked Him a time or two) I have never seen God mocked on this website, but I see PJB-W mock His Holy Word almost every time she is fleecing people like you on TV.
You will soon find that Melvin Jones, and the “followers” on this site, will hold up quite well even after your shallow curses. (James 3:9-12) As for if the “prophetess” finds this website, the only thing that would happen would be that she could use it to her advantage and get at least another million, maybe just in time for her to have a great wedding anniversary. Do you have the wedding in DVD?
Luke 6:37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned.
I believe most of those defending the Wolves are those too ashamed to admit that they support them financially with all that they have and most of the time they themselves go without, jusitifying these acts by saying “I am being obedient.” Defenders, do you read the word of God with revelation and decernment or do you soley depend on your Pastor or televangelist to interpret the word of God for you? Your private time with God will reveal many things that this website or any other venue won’t, but you have to have an ear to hear. Try the spirit and see if it be of God. If your spirit bears witness to those of a false prophet and it does not line up with the true written word of God, then what does that say about you? This website is merely pointing out what was said….YOU STILL HAVE TO TRY THE SPIRIT! Are you too afraid to admit that maybe you were following a false prophet? I hope your revelation does not come when you stand before the judgement seat of God….it will be too late then.
Signed,
Spoken
Melvin’s Note: Well said, Spoken.
It’s a shame how everyone wants to find fualt in what the people of God are doing. You want to bash a lady who has dedicated her life to Christ ans s trying to save souls. How many souls are you saving? (Melvin’s Note: None. Neither I nor Ms Bynum-Weeks saves anyone. That is God’s role, not mine.) It seems to me that you are turning people away from God (No. I’m turning people away from a pimpette. She neither preaches the gospel nor associates with those who do.) . No one’s perfect but God judges by our fruits (And her fruits are terrible).
Maybe if you guys were not so busy trying to find fualt in Juanita and actually listened to what she was saying some of your lives wouldn’t be going through so much hell (It’s because I listen to her that I say what I say. Do you listen to what she says and what those she associates with say?).
All this is, is an attack of the enemy on God’s People. The Bible says love covers a multitude of sin (So Jesus was lacking love when he called the Pharisees hypocrites and Paul was lacking love when he called the false teachers wolves, lazy beasts, and liars? If so, why would you read a book about or by haters?). So even if she did do something that you didn’t think was right, who are you to judge her. There are bigger sins then asking for money. But you don’t want to talk about that.
People like you guys are only interested in finding fault in someone becuase your life is in fault. Its easy to sit back and make judgments but I bet none of you are trying to step in her shoes and take her place. What have you done for God lately other then criticize his children? (I run this site and teach sound doctrine. And I’m not that certain that she is one of His children given her willingness to follow after false teachings.) Juanita Bynum should not be the focus of your life getting to heaven should be (My focus is to warn those who would follow her to recognize that she and those she associates with are preaching a different gospel, thus engangering those very people you are so worried about). Maybe if you listened to what shes really talking about you would know that.
Calvin, you do realize that when you ask “who are you to judge” you are in turn judging yourself. So either Melvin, and the rest of us have the right to call out the wolves, or you dont have the right to call out melvin.
Who are you to judge is a self-refuting argument. Follow me.
You told melvin that people like us are only interested in finding fault in someone because our lives are in fault, now let me ask you this.
“WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE US” Who are you to say our lives are in fault???
You see how that argument doesnt work on your behalf,, because as we used to say as kids,
“everything you say goes back to you” LOL…
Relativism is the basis of your argument. And relativist have no ground to stand on.
Pick up a book by Greg Kokul, of Stand To Reason Ministries. Titled “Relativism” Feet Firmly Planted in Mid Air. It will better help you critically think about what you say before you say it.
binks
Great book there Binks…………I recommend it as well.
WOW Calvin…..do you know the Bible explicitly outlines the qualifications of each office? By her lifestlye, is she QUALIFIED to speak? Is she qualified to teach outside of the home?
Are YOU listening to HER words?
Do you compare her words with the Bible? Do you compare what the Words illustrates with regard to the roles of men and women? Do you believe the Bible? Or do you believe her?
The contradiction is pretty serious.
The Bible says that a man (such as her husband) whom marries a divorced woman commits adultery (Mark 10:12, Prov 6:32), then who is right? These are public people with pulic lifestyles who teach in public, but yet when these matters come to light this must be dealt with in private.
If you were investing in a stock, and it went belly-up but it attempted to make a come-back, wouldn’t you want to know beforehand?
You may want to pull out before the flop for fear of losing the entire investment.
Isn’t it the same here? If there were things that violated the standard in which you live by, wouldn’t you want to know? Or will you leave once it all flops before you?
Whom do you believe? Are they (a divorced, then remarried couple) then qualified to teach you?
Are they coming up front with a confession to the people who follow them so closely? Or is this just a market, and we have to keep our business just that…OURS.
How about Elders (Bishops)? If they have unruly children then they cannot be appointed. Thats Bible. (Titus 1:5-7)
How many Elders/Bishops hold the title wrongfully? Her husband is a “Bishop” (or an Elder however you want to call it).
And by holding this title in this state, doesn’t the Word say they blaspheme God, simply because those under their subjection are to bring honor to them, but that can’t happen when the Elder/Bishop doesn’t bring honor to the name of God and his doctrine themselves by the abuse of the title they have been wrongfully appointed? (1 Timothy 6:1)
They are in agreeance one way or another (Amos 3:3)
Now I am not saying that these people cannot be saved eventually (2 Peter 3:8-9)….but I would wonder about the conscience of many teaching the things they teach.
Outside of the glitz of the rockstar Christian lifestyle, there appears to be little or no regard for their own lifestyle in contradiction to what is preached.
Divorce & (purposely) re-marry? Doesn’t this bother you? Isn’t the truth of God’s word ABSOLUTE?
They are up front, so their wages will apporpriate their deeds if there is no repentance. God is merciful and patient, giving time for it to happen.
(James 3:1).
My brethren, be not many masters (teachers), knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
HELLO MELVIN,
MAY GOD CONTINUE TO BLESS YOU, YOUR MINISTRY & WEBSITE…IT TAKES “DIVINE BOLDNESS” TO SPEAK UP & OUT AGAINST THE DEARLY BELOVED TELEVANGELISTS & TO COME AGAINST THE “ALMIGHTY DIVA-PROPHETESS BYNUM WEEKS”!!!!…I CLICKED ON TO “COLEMAN” IN ONE OF YOUR ARTICLES & ENJOYED THE “RAM BROADCAST”…I ALSO ENJOYED THE “SHAME ON YOU DEACON’S HALL OF SHAME” ARTICLE…YOU HAVE DEFINITELY KEPT IT REAL…AGAIN IT’S MY PRAYER THAT GOD CONTINUES TO SHOWER HIS BLESSINGS UPON YOUR WORK FOR HIS GLORY!!!! SISTA KATHERINE
I don’t know what it is about this that bothers me, I was wondering if you all could help me out.
Turn your speakers up and then go to:
http://www.bishopweeks.com
and please tell me if I am tripping or if there is something wrong w/ this web site and their ministry.
Thanks,
PL
No, you are not tripping there is something very Demonic about this site. I was trying to find when Juanita Bymun’s next Conference was (and I’m still going) And Santan is trying to distract me (good one though, but it won’t work) All this uproar about her only shows me how anointed she really is. There are only a few people that gets talked about like this. And Jesus is one of them. So surely, she is His chosen.
LEt me make sure I understand - the fact that we say she has questionable tactics demonstrates that the Profitess is anointed. Man! YOu must really think Reverend Ike and his protege Master Prophet Bernard Jordan are off the ecclesiastical chain. And you must be a real follower of Mary Eddy Baker and Mrs. White. ‘Cause those ladies definitely introduced some trash and called it Christian.
Please go to the next conference and get your next fix. Sow your $1000 dollars and keep expecting God to do some miracle. Continure to chase these people around and continue to buy their books, believe their lies, and defend their ministries. The best Melvin and the rest of the posters on here can do is give you clear, biblical, accurate information. You can lead a horse to the water but you can’t make them drink. You will get fed up sooner or later, if you don’t become one of them by starting your own false ministry. So either way (if this site is still around and I pray that it is) you will be back here trying to liberate others from the same foolish mistakes you made or you will be back because you will be one of the blogs. God bless RaShida and I pray that the above two scenarios are worst case; however, I don’t believe they will because you have been brainwashed to believe that these individuals are God sent. And I feel really bad for you.
I agree
This website is a devine blessing. Talk about confirmation. I believe the “pimps” and the “pimpettes” appeal to the church because the “real” church is not trying to hear what the Spirit is saying to the church. Once my eyes were opened up to what was really going on, I could not believe how people spend their hard-earned money every year to attend the MegaBeast festivals sponsored by T.D. Jakes. Come on, people! You don’t have to pay money to discover that Jesus is willing to loose you and set you free. Just pick up your bible and actually read it. My son’s daycare director closed her daycare for two days so she could attend the MegaBeast festivities. This left a lot of parents in a bind, scrambling around trying to find a backup plan for childcare. (Note: The parents still had to pay for the two days that the daycare was closed.) Now that the conference has come and gone, the enemy’s attacks on this woman’s life have not decreased. Her burdens have not become any lighter and she has not grown any spiritually since the conference.
Because I am such a strong willed individual, when I discovered that I needed to be healed of my issues, I didn’t run to any preacher. I didn’t find the most popular ministry of that day and become a ‘partner.’ I never asked the saints to “pray my strength in the Lord.” I didn’t wrap myself in some other person’s “prayer shawl,” pin a piece of “prayer cloth” to my clothing, or coat myself in some prolific “anointing oil” that had supposedly been handled by some well-known preacher. I didn’t conjure up some magical potion based on the Word(s) of God. I didn’t spend my money trying to reserve a seat, or even attend, a conference, seminar, convention, etc. in hopes that some platform guest would toss their handkerchief to me, or look my way and deliver some “generic” prophecy. And, I surely didn’t “gather my best seed offering and sow it” into any particular ministry, hoping that someone affiliated with the ministry had a direct line with God.
No, in lieu of those things, I turned off the phone, closed the blinds, withdrew from people, went on a 40-day fast, and made my bedside into an altar. I knew of only one ‘resting place’–the hallow of the Lord’s hands. Having been saved and walking aimlessly through the mechanics of the church, I discovered that Jesus was the only one that knew where I was and how to get me beyond the pain and disappointment. So, I climbed into His arms and found shelter there while the storms continuously raged against me.
There has never been a question of whether or not I was called to carry the life-changing, elevating Word of God. Although I am ordained and licensed by the organized Church (for legal purposes only), what I share with the people of God cannot be regulated by man. I will never allow another to dictate what I preach, to whom I preach, where I preach, or how I preach. Trust me, I cannot preach anything that I have not lived. I cannot preach anything that I cannot feel. (That’s not to say that I preach out of my emotions. Don’t get it twisted! ) Thank God for Melvin.
Some people have made the mistake of expecting me to move throughout the kingdom of God according to their designs and expectations. I advise you not to hold your breath, because that will never happen. I am who I am, and I do what I do because I live outside of the “spiritual box.” I purposefully opted out of seminary. Instead, I became filled with the Holy Ghost, took on the whole armor of God, became endowed with every spiritual gift God felt I was ready to possess, and used the schemes and strategies of the devil for fortification and direction. Now I can truly say that, “No weapon that is formed against me shall prosper.” (Note: I do not use that scripture as a shield to ward off any questions, comments or concerns about my mission.)
Throughout my ministry, I’ve tried to make it clear that I am not impressed by titles, positions, ecumenical collars, grand edifices (church buildings), mega ministries, spiritual pageantry, Church fashion shows, cliques and rosters. Unfortunately for the Church, many of her members have not arrived at that point. Sadly, they sought liberation from Jesus outside of the Church–only to find bondage within the Church. This is the main reason why the Church is being swept away by a deluge of ‘pimps’, ‘pimpettes’, jealousies and insecurities. Believe me, “an enemy has done this.” While the Church was being lulled to sleep by selfish, undelivered, insecure leaders, the enemy was busy sowing discord within her borders.
People do not fully understand that they do not have to be jealous of anyone. What God has for you, it is for you. I can never be you, and you can never be me. When God needs me, He sends me. When He needs you, He sends you. Let’s pray that the people of God will be delivered from low self-esteem and leaking hearts, so we can be about our Father’s business and do away with such childish behavior.
In order to be “fervent and effectual” in the things of God, I cannot care what people say about me, or think about me. (That’s one of the things that’s so motivating and attractive about Melvin and his ministry.) As a matter of fact, when I become weary and feel like I’m not being effective in the things of God, I go and sit at the edge of the enemy’s camp and just listen to the gossip. Since my heart is pure and I have no hidden agendas, I come away feeling revived and refreshed. Nothing that the enemy does or says surprises or discourages me.
In essence, I not only know who I am, I know whose I am: I am a child of the King. “Born into the world to inherit the kingdom. I am equipped to handle anything. I am creative. I am anointed. More importantly, I am alive.”
My prayer is that you will remain (or learn to become) “steadfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord.” Remember, only you can do what God has called you to do. No one else can do it, and if you don’t do it, it’ll go undone. To those of you who still are playing the role of ‘harlot’ for the pimps and pimpettes, acting like you’re deaf (dumb) and numb; not wanting to answer the tugging at your hearts: Step beyond the shadows, open your eyes, turn from your wicked ways and take your rightful place within the army of the Lord. It’s much easier to ride out the storms of life when you’re connected to the Controller of the waves.
Melvin, I don’t have a lot of money, but if the need ever arises and you need an offering to meet a need for the ministry, please count me in. (Note: I know you’ll never ask, but I wanted to offer. LOL)
P.S. I haven’t gotten around to touring the entire website. Hopefully you have some information on Benny Hinn, Paula White and TBN. (I’m still trying to figure out why Jan Crouch’s hair is pink.)
Your comments are very interesting and that is all I will say. I will pray that you continue to be steadfast, unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord. There is a place for everyone in the kingdom and I pray that wherever the spirit takes you, that you will walk worthy of the calling…
Love you to life…
First of all I don’t know why her hair is pink but, pink represents female rebellion and feminity, but maybe that’s her favorite color let’s stop being so judgmental for the same way we judge others that same measure will be used on us God bless U
pink represents female rebellion??
Ive noticed that TBN is playing a lot more prosperity preaching lately, I thought I was the only one. Hmm…
I want to be frank with you. It is wrong on the part of the owner of this sight to try and criticize men and women of God who are doing what God has ordained them to do. Who are you to question God’s call on their life. Romans says “Who can lay hand to God’s elect? Is it not Jesus Christ who justifies?”
Hommes, I can’t be Frank with you, my name is Melvin. But seriously, go back and read that section in Romans. I believe you will see that WE are the elect, and Paul asks, in Romans 8, “Who will bring charge against God’s elect (as opposed to the unsaved). It’s talking about you and me, as well as any other saved person.
Hommes….uh, how about Brethren for better clarification? Anyhow, that Scripture that you just butchered in your rendering is exactly what this site is about.
Romans 8:31-36
“31What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be[h] against us? 32He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 33Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died–more than that, who was raised–who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.[i] 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 36As it is written,
“For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”
Like Mel said this scripture exegeted properly has not thing to do with us Criticizing a person’s teachings. It deals soley with God’s Sovereign justification of those he elected. Not this,”nobody better criticize my Pastor or favorite teacher,” notion that your trying to use it in. People are always trying to quote some verse in the Bible that VAGUELY or in no way deals with what they don’t agree with; majority of the time they quote a King James Version Bible verse erroneously out of Context. Brother I pray that you don’t fall for the 100 Yard Dash Christianity when this race is a Marathon. Feel me…
Grace and Peace
seal
Hey Hommes, “WHO ARE YOU TO QUESTION” what God has told melvin to do on this site.
I gonna continue to address the who are you comments until people who use that see the error of it.
How do you know God didnt call melvin to do what he’s doing, either you are going to follow truth or not which one is it.
binks
Hi Frank………..I’m going to be Gary with you, OK??
Tell me, was Jesus wrong to call out the false teachers of His day publicly, calling them hypocrites and children of hell, among other nasty things??
How about Paul?? He called false teachers wolves, evil beasts, and suggested castration for them.
What do you do with the Scriptures that DEMAND that false teachers be called out PUBLICLY??
You say we are wrong. Prove it. With Scripture, not your opinion, or appeal to your wounded sensibilities.
Prove it………….I dare you. I double dog dare you. Anyone for the Triple Dog Dare, or do I wait until he responds??
What I want to know is why haven’t any of you that stand up for her responded to my qustions about this short audio clip? I can give you
many others as well but let’s start here. I hallenge the next defender of her teachings to listen to and respond to this!
here is the link again!
She is talking about Jesus casting out demons. First she states that the demons said they have to be in flesh or they are illegal. Were does it say that in scripture?
And if all demons have to be in flesh, what about angels? Do they have to be in flesh as well? After all demons are fallen angels.
Then she says the Bible said, “When Satan had finished his course.” I could not find that in any Bibles! Can you? Then she goes off on the fact that Demons have a course they have to go through and we are to see to it they finish their course!!! Can you find that in the Bible?
She then says Satan does not always come against us but he comes to teach us. I thought Jesus said the Holy Spirit would teach us all things. Is she right or is Jesus? It cannot be both!!!
Then she say’s we are to channel the workings of the evil sprites. I do not think any true Christians believe in channeling spirits!!