I got Shingles. For those of you who don’t know what it is, think of it as a second helping of Chicken Pox, a very painful second helping of Chicken Pox, emphasizing the “pox” part. I can tell you from personal experience when someone declares a pox upon you and your family, he means for you to be hurting.
But even with this, I have to say that all comes from the hand of God, either for correction, for training, or for strengthening. While it hurts and makes it very difficult for me to concentrate (excruciating pain usually has that effect on me), it forces me to lean on Jesus Christ and His power in my life (1 Cor 12:9-10).
Hey, I’ve used up most of my leave (I only have three days left) and that will disappear as soon as I move to the new Company. Oh. Didn’t I tell you? The company I work for declared bankruptcy and sold the segment I work for to another company. I start more or less from scratch on Monday, 11 May 2009. Oh, and I have to change health care plans, which means I’ll no longer be able to use Kaiser. Of course some of you think that’s a good thing. But my wife likes the neurologist she visits.
Why am I telling you about all these things? Obviously it gives the WoFers out there a chance to start nattering on about God repaying me for my evil ways, putting my moutn on the Mend and Womend of Gawd and all. But I’m sure most of you see God as much bigger than that. And I hope they will too.
One of the Reformed confessions says:
God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge, and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy.
In other words, all things that “befall” me are ultimately to the glory of God and I am to rejoice (Heb 1:2-4) in them.
Of course, if you’re the average sheeple, you jump up and start telling the Devil he’s a liar (something he already knows). Either that or you will start stomping on Satan’s head. You’ll natter on about “not receiving that illness” even as you scurry to the clinic to get your medicines. And all the while missing the benefits of God’s hand in your life, and on your life. But most importantly, you will be calling God a liar. He says He brings these things in our lives for our good. You say they are tricks of the devil. Which one of you do you think is right? God or you?
Of course, when I think about Josh’s mom, shingles seems pretty trivial. I’m going to get over this in about a week, a painful week, but a week none the less. And should the anti-viral work the way it is supposed to, I will be left with nothing but some minor scarring on my back and the unpleasant memory of my left side being sporadically flooded with pain. I have my meds and they only cost $30 (plus my monthly membership fee, or course). She is spending thousands of dollars to survive and will spend years recovering. And even then she will never be back to where she was.
And speaking of Josh’s mom, think about helping him out some more. This is an opportunity for you to do more than pay a weekly tithe bill. And since you’ll get zero recognition for it, the giving can only be from a pure motive. Go back, click on the link, and send them some money. If you don’t I will declare a pox upon you and your family.
You’re so right, Melvin, about suffering being from God. And just because it IS from Him, that doesn’t mean it’s automatically a bad thing. Just like you said, He can bring/ allow bad things to happen to us for a variety of reasons: we can be strengthened by our suffering; we can be a great witness for Christ by how we deal with our suffeings. And like you said, sometimes He’s just trying so hard to get our attention and get us back in line. Instead of the WOFers’ rally of “rebuking” the suffering, we should instead be handing it over to God and praying for the strength to endure it.
Why “endure” something that Jesus paid the price for? (1Peter 2:24; Isaiah 53:3-5)
Do you think that someone would want to get to know a God who puts sickness on folks to teach them something? I think not.
Suffering, contrary to many beliefs, isn’t sickness, but persecution. Christians suffer persecution for Jesus’ Name sake. Question…if what you state is correct, how come believers in the book of Acts didn’t get sickness put on them as a suffering?
You said, “we should instead be handing it over to God and praying for the strength to endure it…”
This is one of the #1 reasons why folks don’t get healed….because they want God to do all the work.
The NT doesn’t say pray for healing. Jesus said,”speak to this mountain”….”YOUR faith has made YOU whole”….”by Whose stripes ye were healed”….etc.
No where does it say pray/ask for healing. When you go to a fast food place you make your selection from the menu, place your order, & go get it. Why pray for/request something that is already available to you?
The doctrines of man have made THE WORD OF GOD of none effect in many peoples lives. That is why many will appear before Jesus and see what they could’ve had and be wheeping because they held onto what his/her pastor or parent taught instead of the word of God.
Rickey,
Your comment was absolutely, biblically the truth!
And clearly what is truth evades you like a tenant who owes six months rent and is trying to dodge the landlord…
Hello, Douglas:
Careful: do not put your mouth on the mawnd of god’s assistant!
Yeah, you noticed the lowercase ‘g.’
Stay weak in Him,
Peter.
Bro. Melvin I thank GOD that you have the right approach and whatever work he may be doing in you, I pray that you receive it…………to his glory!
Righter is praying for Melvin’s speedy recovery and for all the best in his new career
(MN: Melvin appriciates Righter’s prayers and best wishes. )
Shingles? Ohhh! No Fun! What would Kenny Copeland say Melvin? Wheres the beef? Er,faith? Actually when doofs like Copeland get sick (and he does) they go to the finest M.D.’s money can buy! The WoFer’s also hide their health status as best they can. Gotta keep their phoney baloney images intact!
(MN: Baaaaaa! Sheeple alert! Sheeple ahead! Sheeple alert!!! )
Let’s be scriptural about it. What was Paul’s thorn in the flesh according to scripture?
Well 2Corinthians 12:1-10 make it plain as day. 1st it shows that he was in the third heaven, got revelation, saw thing he couldn’t describe with natural words…..etc.
Thorn in the flesh wasn’t sickness. Read verses 7-10.
It was simply persecution for the name of Jesus. (MN: What? Paul was persecuted because he was weak? )
God isn’t double-minded is He? Sickness doesn’t discipline a person. Honestly, if God ever put sickness on me I would have nothing to do with Him. (MN: What was that David said about straightening up and flying right because of sickness? Let me guess - that was on the other side of the cross. )
(MN: Ladies and gentlemen, as I have said before, one of the outstanding characteristics of WoFers and Arminians is their incredible arrogance. He would have nothing else to do with Him? Wow. It almost sounds like “Curse God and die!” )
Another thing is that Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law; sickness, poverty, & spiritual death.(Galatians 3:13; Deuteronomy 28; 1Peter 2:24; Isaiah 53:3-5; Matthew 8:17; 2Corinthians 8:9; 3rd John 2; Philippians 4:19)
Christ redeemed us from being sick. Not saying we won’t get sick, but that we have a right to be healed.
Jesus’ lashes accounted for every class of sickness. Therefore, we have a right to be healed all of the time.
Don’t knock what I am saying just read the scriptures. God can’t lie.
True GOD does not and can not lie it is not in his character.
But a person can be totally blind and totally misinterpret the scriptures. Question, how can you or I a mere creature of God Almighty’s creation demand a right to anything? Really? a RIGHT to be healed ALL the time. If you ever get SICK you are setting yourself up for a BIG disappointment. I think God’s response will be the same as given to Paul in 2 Corinthians 12:9. And if you truly believe that having nothing to do with God will somehow circumvent his sovereign will you are sadly mistaken. Please read the book of Job, I suggest you pay special attention chapters 38-42, God response to Job. And perhaps you will hear too.
We can demand anything that God has promised in His word from Him. He said, “Command ye Me…”
Matthew 7:7 Jesus said , “Ask and it shall be given ye….”
Ask comes from the Greek word Aiteo(Ahee-teh-o) which means, “to demand for something due/owed/promised”.
God has promised healing(Psalm 103; Isaiah 53:5; Matthew 8:17; Acts 10:38; 3rd John 2; 1st Peter 2:24)
We can demand of God because His word said we can.
When we “ask” of God. We aren’t supposed to be coming to Him saying “will You”, but “Father do….because Your Word said that You would”..
He is looking for someone bold enough to demand of Him.
If I don’t have a right to be healed then God is a liar. If I don’t have a right to be healed then the Gospel of Jesus Christ is a false doctrine.
2nd Corinthians 12:9 is stating that God put sickness on him or was not going to help Paul in that situation. If so He wouldn’t have given him the grace to go through the tough time.
God’s grace for Paul in the situation was sufficient enough to cause him to glorify God and be triumphant in preaching the gospel coming out on top. (Psalm 34:19)
To have nothing to do with God…..would you serve a God who lies??? If He made a promise & didn’t keep it He wouldn’t be reliable. Couldn’t serve a flakey/wishy-washy God.
I have been sick. I had liver & kidney failure. God was required to heal me and He did.
He was required to do so because of what He HIS OWNSELF SWORE…(Psalm 103:3; Exodus 15:26)
The word of God is the will of God(1John 5:14-15) Therefore, when they prayed His word He was required to do it. He watches over His word to perform it. (Jeremiah 1:12; Isaiah 55:11)
His “sovereign will” has nothing to do with me being healed. It’s a settled fact that God doesn’t put sickness on folks…..if He did He would be a liar.
Read through all of the gospels & the New Testament & you’ll find not one account of God putting sickness on folks.
Do you have kids? Do you love them? Would you put sickness on them?
(MN: I guess you might call Rickey a Hyper-Arminian. We have rights, God has limitations, and God can ONLY do what we permit Him to do. I wonder if God can allow a person to go to hell if that person doesn’t want to. I suspect this is the last posting for Rickey as well. )
Yes…a blood bought right to be healed all of the time! When you ask a question like that it makes me wonder if you trust God & would take Him at His word.
The people Jesus healed while on earth were not born-again, they were not the righteousness of God….they simply believed Jesus. We as heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ have a right to be healed all of the time.
Salvation or SOTERIA isn’t just “fire insurance”; it includes healing, deliverance, safety, wholeness, welfare, & prosperity.
Rickey, here is why your theology doesn’t make sense.
Here you said: “The people Jesus healed while on earth were not born-again, they were not the righteousness of God….they simply believed Jesus. We as heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ have a right to be healed all of the time.”
Fine..so how do you reconcile that comment with this passage?
2 Timothy 4:18-20
“18And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
19Salute Prisca and Aquila, and the household of Onesiphorus.
20Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum SICK.”
Ok, so who was Trophimus?
Acts 20:4:
“4And there accompanied him into Asia Sopater of Berea; and of the Thessalonians, Aristarchus and Secundus; and Gaius of Derbe, and Timotheus; and of Asia, Tychicus and Trophimus.”
Acts 21:27-29
“27And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,
28Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.
29(For they had seen before with him in the city Trophimus an Ephesian, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.)”
So according to what we know of Trophimus, he was a Gentile believer, from Ephesus, and a companion of Paul during his time in Macedonia and Rome. But according to your theory since saints are not supposed to get sick, then we would need to conclude that Trophimus was a nonbelieving companion of Paul? Or maybe he fell away from God’s grace when he got sick? I don’t know, its not really adding up.
Please slow yourself down and simply read…
I said that since we are heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ we have a right to be healed all of the time. You quoted me yourself. No one said we would never get sick. Jesus didn’t even say that. If He did it was pointless for Him being whipped.
Reading the context only shows that he was sick, but since he was born-again he had a right to be healed. God didn’t put the sickness on him.
My question is this, why do people knock the fact that God is the Healer always has been and always will be? Why do people knock the fact that Jesus heals? Jesus paid for us to be healed…etc.
Why debate about a simple thing like that?
Do you want to be sick? You want cancer? You want AIDS?
Jesus paid for us to be healed.
Rickey, lol….No one is contradicting God being a healer, but Jesus didn’t die for the health of our physical bodies, He died for our sins, plain and simple.
You said… “Why debate about a simple thing like that?
Do you want to be sick? You want cancer? You want AIDS?”
No I don’t like getting sick, that’s besides the point. But my question for you is, how do you then explain sickness that leads to death? Why do we need to die then? I don’t think you fully understand that God is sovereign and is in control of every situation, (try reading Job 42). Do you believe that?
for the scriptures say…
Hebrews 9:27
“And as it is APPOINTED unto men once to DIE, but after this the judgment:”
Ricky - His grace is sufficient. It becomes not so simple when folks say it is not, no?
Yeah yeah Rickey, I’ve heard it all before! I was in the WoF for 20+ years! I suppose you also believe we are “little gods” as well? Copeland would have you believe the Bible teaches that! Hey Rickey if God can’t cause sickness where did Moses get leprosy from when God told him to put his hand inside his cloak? (Look at Exodus 4:6,7.) You WoFer’s amaze me! The same God you supposedly worship commanded the Israelites many times to wipe out entire nations of people. Including all the children and animals! But I guess with you clowns God “draws the line” when it comes to sickness! Do yourself a favor and stop following Copeland,DuPlantis and all the “WoF” wolves!
What type of church do you go to now?
I went back to my childhood church,The Church Of The Brethren. Admittedly this church is not Calvinist. There are really no good Reformed churches in my area. We do have a few people who are into Reformed Theology in the Brethren church. I have a family member who is a Rhema (Hagin’s school) grad. He has since distanced himself from “WoF” doctrine. WoF teaching is very man centered. Mr. Hagin and Copeland’s teachings are very questionable. Hagin has taught that “the believer is as much the incarnation as Jesus was.” I say poppycock to that! Do yourself a favor Rickey and leave this movement. Listen to men such as R.C. Sproul,John MacArthur,Mark Dever,and many many others. If you don’t believe me go to any (like this one) apologetic websites and read the many quotes from heretics like Hagin and Copeland.
I can’t knock what you believe. All I can say is please don’t go by what someone else says, but just make sure that what your pastor teaches lines up with the bible. Jesus said it best when He said, “doctrines of men have made the word on none effect…”
That is so true. Because of little schisms & useless debates in the body of Christ many nonbelievers are resistant to coming to churches.
Even baby christians turn away due to useless debates.
Funny thing about the body of Christ is that there is even a useless debate about salvation. Some say you have be baptized, some say you have to confess every sin you’ve ever committed, some say you have to be baptized in Jesus’ Name other say in the Name of the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit.
It’s little things like that that are hindering the gospel being preached.
All right Rickey since I told you what church I go to tell me what church do you go to? I wasn’t going to write back but I still think you don’t understand what sovereignty means. You have stated that God can’t “override” our wills. This makes mans will sovereign then. You’d better look at Psalm 135:6. Contrary to what you’ve been taught Rickey,God is indeed in total control of this universe. God is autonomous (a law unto Himself.) Yes we make choices but we have a limited freedom. Yes the devil is the “god of this world” but even Satan is under the sovereign rule of God. Again look at Psalm 135:6 He does as He pleases.
I see what you are saying…but, again, God’s sovereignty doesn’t mean He is in control of everything. He isn’t in control of your will. Take Romans 12:1-2 for instance, we are to present our bodies as a living sacrifice to God and to renew our minds; but we don’t have to. We can simply choose not to.
Folks did it in the bible. Galatians 5:19-21 shows some of the stuff that the Galatians did out of their own free will and God was right there when they did it.
When Eve sinned God was right there. His sovereignty doesn’t allow Him to override any person’s will. If He told you not to go to this site you can choose to or not to go regardless of what He says.
Sovereign simply means “Supreme; highest in rank; superior”.
Look it up.
Take our salvation for instance, God desires that all be saved, Jesus paid for ALL to be saved, but not all will CHOOSE to get saved. Has nothing to do with God choosing them to get saved, has to do with a person’s will.
Romans 10:9-10 is another example.
I go to a nondenominational church/bible-based.
(MN: Actually, I suspect it’s a Word of Faith, Pentecostal/Charismatic church. Either that or they have no idea what you believe. Give us a name. For instance, I am a part of Reformation Alive Baptist Church in Temple Hills Maryland. Bible-based. )
I suspect you’re right Melvin. That’s what I like about WoF/charismatics they’re so specific! Rickey as for me I’m done debating with you. You want to follow your false “health and wealth” junk be my guest! You still don’t understand sovereignty. BTW I’m being far more Biblical (I like the smug little way you tell us to be Biblical!) than you’ve been! You say you’re were healed? Fine and dandy! But only by the mercy of God were you healed! God, my friend doesn’t “owe” you,I or anyone else anything! I just hope someday God shows you the light and you get away from your false doctrine! Goodbye! P.S. if you’re part of a oneness pentecostal church led by men such as T.D. Jakes or Tommy Tenney then you’ve more problems. You’ve been indoctrinated well I’ll say this much for you!
To Ex-WoFer,
Amen!
It was simply persecution for the name of Jesus
Actually, it was most probable Paul’s opponents, perhaps the leader of the false teachers.
Honestly, if God ever put sickness on me I would have nothing to do with Him.
Holy smoke stacks! I guess that means His grace is not suffcient? How could you miss that when you actually asked us to read it?
Paul in these verses makes it abundantly clear; not all suffering or the obstacles of life are without purpose. More importantly, such obstacles are not from Satan himself, for Satan is always under God’s sovereign control. No man would ever rise victorious over a direct attack from Satan, absent the power of God.
Paul’s opposition had a message that was derived from Satan to corrupt the true gospel that Paul had preached to his beloved brothers and sisters in Corinth. Paul’s opposition was indeed preaching and teaching another gospel; they were “ministers of Satan” and “deceitful workers” 2 Corinthians 11:13. Taking into consideration Paul had experienced such unique divine revelation, God reminded Paul that it was He who would defeat this “thorn,” for the flesh is weak but is made strong in the spirit. The theological implications that pervade this letter and particularly these verses, is nothing less than man’s natural wisdom verses the sufficiency of God’s word; the abundant life verses God’s will.
What the Corinthian church was failing to realize is common today; the wisdom of God is foolishness to the world - 1 Cor. 1:18-25. If the fastest growing churches are those who teach a message that does not confront and “crucify” the flesh as Paul clearly proclaims is necessary in Galatians 5:24 and Romans 6:6, then it is these churches that have been lead astray. When living the abundant life becomes the goal of men, there is little room for the unseen and that which is of the spirit, and the flesh becomes man’s “king” and or Lord. Paul was not “well content” in living the abundant life thorn free; he was “well content” in all those difficulties for the sake of Christ.
I am in no way arrogant, I just know what God has promised in His own word. God, in His covenant with us through Christ, has promised us many things. God cannot in anyway go back on what He has promised us.(Hebrews 6:13-18)
If God ever did anything opposing His word He would have to cease from being God.
God’s “sovereignty” doesn’t mean that He can do whatever He wants to whenever He wants to. If He could all would be saved & healed…etc.
When Jesus said, in Matthew 6 in the Lord’s prayer, “…Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven….”; He was letting us know that God has to have our permission on earth in order for Him to operate in the earth. That is why prayer is so important.
Question….why is healing such a debate? Either take God at His word for your healing or not. It isn’t complicated & shouldn’t be debated. In Job, God didn’t put sickness on him. The thing that Job feared came on him.
Also, Jesus redeemed us from the curse of the law…sickness, poverty, & spiritual death. (Galatians 3:13)
Jesus bore our infirmities(sicknesses) & carried our sorrows(sicknesses and diseases). (Matthew 8:17; Isaiah 53:4-5; 1Peter 2:24)
Salvation itself includes healing. It comes from a Greek word, SOTERIA, which means, “healing, deliverance, safety, wellness, wholeness”….
Hosea 4:6 shows why many don’t get healed:
1) Because they don’t know that it’s God’s will for all to be healed.
2) Because they reject what the word of God says.
3) The word “DESTROYED” literally means “cut off; excluded from”.
4) It’s easier for non-christians to believe God for healing than it is for many christians because of debates these as well as erroneous teachings that God puts sickness on folks.
Rickey you’d better look up the definition of sovereignty again! BTW that verse out of Isaiah 45:11 is not telling us to command God to do anything! Your God may not be “wishy washy” but you’ve made Him far worse, into a cosmic bellhop! Fred Price has said many times,”God the Father can’t do anything in this earth realm unless He gets permission.” That Rickey is a damnable doctrine if there ever was one! Your views on God’s sovereignty are really screwed up! As well as your views on faith! and no,faith is not a literal substance as your “WoF” buddies teach! I hate to burst your “WoF” bubble but God can indeed do anything He pleases! Daniel 4:34,35 is a good example of His sovereignty! Your “god” is a helpless buffoon unless “anointed” guys like you give Him “permission.” But then guy’s like you believe you’re created in “God’s class.” Another damnable doctrine!
God cannot do whatever He wants to do ever…He has bound Himself to His own word.
Take salvation for instance, He desires that all be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth(1Timothy 2:4)
Just because He desires it doesn’t mean that all will. Many will/have chosen not to accept Jesus and His finished works..
Sovereign simply means, “supreme; most high”. It doesn’t mean that God can do whatever He wants to do whenever He wants to.
Remember in Matthew 6:10 where Jesus said in the Lord’s prayer, ” Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven…..”
It’s simply showing that in order for God to get involved in most situations we have to give Him permission.
Our prayers give God permission to get involved in things.
Forget about WOF…be biblical. What does the word of God say about a thing?
Just be biblical…not WOF, not Catholic, not Presbyterian, not Lutheran, not Methodist, not baptist, not Apostolic….etc.
Just be biblical.
My dear fellow… nothing and I do mean NOTHING happens unless God allows it. How would you explain Duet 32:29. In our church, we had a brother who was stricken with cancer, the saints prayed, and God healed him. Later a faithful sister was stricken with cancer, and we prayed, but God chose to take her just this past Feb… and I don’t know if anybody could have been more faithfull or had a better attitude than she did right until the very end. I went to minister to her at her home the week before she passed, and honestly she did more for me than I believe I did for her. Also please expound on Romans 9:18 through 20.
Regardless of how faithful or good of an attitude a person has it still doesn’t mean they will receive anything from God.(Hebrews 11:6)
If a person isn’t willing to use his faith then it does no good to pray for them. God cannot override a person’s free-will.(Deuteronomy 30:19)
In Romans 9 Paul is not referring to the church, but Jews. They, because of their hardness of heart, resisted the gospel when Jesus was here. They are still going to have another chance though.
God cannot override our free-will in no way.
(MN: Rickey, give a read to some of the postings that have been made in the recent past. Especially GaryV’s latest article. Do a search on the word “sovereignty” and read the articles. Everything you say in this comment and the previous are addressed. Read them and respond to them. Don’t simply repeat your position again. That’s pretty pointless.
I have to admit though, that I have a great deal of trouble seeing how a person who views God as nothing more than an invisible me, suffering from all the same limitations, as God. You may as well change His name to Zeus, or Saturn, or Jupiter or something. He’s just a god made in the image of man, not the creator of the universe. )
So now I know why Hurricane Katrina pummeled New Orleans, and Hurricane Ike all but obliterated Galveston, and pummeled Houston… because we didn’t “demand” that God not do it. God had nothing to do with that huh? Do you hear what you’re saying?
Rickey,
And since God can’t do anything unless we give Him permission, I guess Adam and Eve WANTED to leave Eden. Otherwise God would not have been able to show them the door. Of course if they wanted to leave, I’m still not seeing why God had to put that angel with the special sword at the entrance.
Oh wait - that was before Jesus died on the cross and gave us all the rights of God. Right? Before He died, we couldn’t ask for anything. After He died, we have a right to whatever we demand, because we are heirs with Christ.
So I should be able to demind that I not grow old or that I get a really well paying job. Or I should be able to demand that my atheist child renounce atheism and become a Christian.
Wait - who’s will get’s priority? Does my will, as a child of God trump my son’s will as a child of wrath? Or are we equal? If we’re equal, then why to the unsaved get sick when they don’t want to?
Melvin, I’m disappointed in you. You should never have claimed shingles. If you hadn’t, you’d be healed by now. Don’t you ever learn?
Just had to say that I get ever so frustrated whenever I hear someone say, “don’t claim that” to someone with an ailment. Don’t claim what? How am I claiming a headache by saying I have it. Give me a break!
(In case you missed it, the first part of my post is dripping in sarcasm or irony; whichever is more appropriate in this instance.)
Oh, and if you speak pox on me, I’ll rebuke it and speak it right back on you.
(MN: I definitely detected the sarcasm. It was delicious. )
Hello, BD:
Yeah, so is Peter. Now he has something–specific–to ask of the Father for you, Brother Melvin. Proverbs 15:29.
Thank you for sharing!
Love,
Peter.
PS: And thank you for the reminder.
Dang Melvin,
I was going to speak healing over you and declare your divine healing. Then, I was going to stomp on the devil’s head (while declaring that he is a liar) and speak in tongues while bent over at a 90 degree angle (shamamama…robeo tatata…yeah gawd…).
Then, I was going to sow a seed of faith for your healing (all the while expecting my 100 fold return)…but your faith is obviously too weak to receive my ministry efforts.
And you just had to throw in that Reformation stuff about God’s sovereignty and His will for our lives, and how even in our suffering He get’s the glory…:roll:
I guess I’ll go play the lottery instead…
…hope you feel better soon
(MN: No, no! Send in your money to the “Heal Melvin’s Shingles Ministry.” I won’t get healed but I’ll at least have some extra spending money once this thing passes. Remember, I going up to New Jersey next month and I’m going to need money for food and stuff. You can’t expect me to eat at McDonald’s. Right? And do you really want me to be staying at Days Inn instead of the local Hilton? And besides, God probably WILL bless youa hundred fold; maybe even a thousand fold. You should have faith even if I don’t. )
OK, I guess I will send a few dollla…wait…I’m not sending a “plug nickel” (as my grandma used to say) until I’m added to your blog roll.
Come to think of it, I’m gonna march around this website 7 times until I…ah forget it.
You’ll get your “seed offering” when I can actually “speak those things that be not as though they were”
Thanks for the add to the blog roll, Mel. I will now declare healing over you. Just sit and wait for it…
You disappoint me Melvin, because your faith is soooooooooo weak. You have to keep rebuking the devil and those shingles will leave. Regarding your new job, you don’t have to start from scratch, just march around your work space 7 times to declare walls are falling down so that you can go right to the top!
Even writing this stuff, I can’t believe that I bought it hook, line and sinker. Books, tapes, cds, videos and magazines-I had it all. Thank God for His amazing grace and the precious blood of Christ. I once was blind, but now I see.
Thank you Melvin for honoring God in the midst of your illness~
(MN: It is definitely an amazing grace. Don’t tell anyone I said this, but I thank Him everyday for His graciousness and kindness. )
I profound apologies folks. I just accidentally erased six or seven comments. Several were by Robert - especially the response to Tee Jay referencing the woeing and John 6. Brenda reminded me about the Blood Red Jesus cloth and someone provided what sounds like a really good remedy to the general pain the shingles themselves generate. Gary also had a response to the fellow who resisted the idea Arminianism is works based.
Again, I do so apologize for the error.
Some one also rebuked GaryV for a comment he made in the Juanita posting.
I’m not sure what happened, but when I came back to the homepage to check on the comments, they were all gone.
Mr. Jones,
O’ ye of little faith. Whatever happened to life and death are in the power of the tongue, speak life. By His stripes you are healed. O’ ye of little faith. Oh well let me pray for you: You foul shingles demon, I rebuke you and you are cursed back to the pit of hell. You shall have no authority you foul spirit. Melvin is the head and not the tail, above and not beneath.The Lord will restore what the locust and the cankerworm have destroyed. I proclaim that you are blessed and highly favored. I speak with all authority because the keys over death and sickness are in the LAWWWD’S hands.
But seriously, I pray for a speedy recovery and that through all of this, God shall be glorified.
- Michael
(MN: The first prayer was much more exciting. But thanks anyway. )
That’s OK Mel……….I get rebuked all the time, and J has yet to answer my questions, or show me where I stated that Arminians work their way to heaven as he defines it.
Anyone wanna try again, post away.
Yeah right…another lie by a Calvinist to cover up his beliefs in a man-made system!
Busted!!
LOL!!!!!
Melvin,
It’s been awhile since I’ve tuned in and then I come back to find this out!!!! Boy, you turn your back for a minute and all kinds of stuff goes haywire.
On a serious note, I’m sorry to hear about your illness. I’ll be praying for your healing and wellness. In the meantime, keep hanging in there and trusting God to do what’s best for you.
Peace…
ru
(MN: Welcome back Robin. May we get into a big argument as soon as possible. )
Hi, Melvin:
I’m logging on again for the first time since I wrote this.
I almost fell out of my chair laughing at your reply. I promise I won’t start any arguments.
Peace & blessings to you.
ru
Hi Melvin. The remedy comments you referred to were probably from me. I had shingles years ago. I used Acylovir (an expensive anti-viral). Also, a couple L-Lysine capsules on an empty stomach a couple times a day. Arginine-rich foods like nuts, seeds, soy products should be avoided, as arginine excites the growth of the herpes virus. Also, bromelain capsules (from pineapple).
(MN: Interesting. My wife has Multiple Sclerosis and we have removed all foods containing gluten, soy, other bean products [legumes], most grains and the such. I had settled on nuts and brocholli as relatively harmless comfort foods. And now you telling me I ought to drop nuts as well. I have to wonder which is worse - the excruciating radiating pain or not getting any nuts. )
Some topical help: Aloe plant sap applied directly to lesions. Grow some indoors. Fresh is better. Also, grind up plain aspirin (not exedrin or any brand that is compounded with other ingredients) in a mortar and pestle as fine as possible. Mix it about 50/50 with a neutral ph skin cream or oil and apply. Tea Tree oil (which I use for many things) is a strong astringent and antiseptic. It can be cut with witch hazel or just water. Try a small area to test efficacy for each of these topicals. Hope some of these things can help you.
Ask your elders for prayer too, of course. May the Lord heal you speedily.
Stan
I see I forgot my name in the header (puzzled expression). Maybe its’ because I used my new Chrome browser.
Anyway, from what I know of the balancing act between those two amino acids WRT Shingles, it’s just that you have to have more L-lysine in your diet than L-Arginine. Both Lysine and Arginine are in most foods including the nuts and seeds. You want the ones that have a higher ratio of L to A. Check out this link for more info and a pretty good selection. http://www.herpes.com/Nutrition.shtml
You’ll see most nuts at the bottom of the table where the ratio is not very poor for shingles (as for well as other herpe caused problems). If I eat too many nuts, I get canker sores in my mouth. I am sure it’s the overload of Arginine.
God bless you. And, you have my prayers (2 Corinthians 1:10b-11) in whom we trust that He will still deliver us, you also helping together in prayer for us, that thanks may be given by many persons on our behalf for the gift granted to us through many.
Correction on this sentence above: You’ll see most nuts at the bottom of the table where the ratio is not very poor for shingles (as for well as other herpe caused problems). Should read “is not very good for shingles.”
Mel Man,
I touch and agree with every one else (who agree with me) to rebuke that sickness
All jokes aside my occasional sparring partner, here’s praying for you, your wife and Josh’s Mom.
It’s certainly good to have a “God’s grace is sufficient” attitude (without it we would all be out of mind when ever we have a thorn in our flesh, shingles or any other inconvenience).
And the laughter ministry certainly helps
Peace and blessings
(MN: Thanks. I do appreciate your prayers. )
Hey what’s up Melvin, I hope you do get better and the life of the professing Christian is never easy especially in this life!
My dear brother Melvin,
All jokes aside, I hope that you, your wife, Josh’s mom and my aunt will be able to overcome your afflictions and that God gets all the praise and glory from you all. I will keep you in my prayers my brother.
I too am hurt to hear that you have this issue (I have an Aunt going through it as well) before I lift you up in prayer I want to make sure this isn’t like an “Oral Roberts” moment twenty years revisited. And if it’s not then, I will call Pastor Kearney Thomas and ask him to pray one of his powerful prayers and use my annointed prayer cloth to help deliver you from this. I figure if he couldn’t heal that lady whose elbows were hurting and after his prayer, she couldn’t move ‘em then surely he can do te same for you.
Oh, Brother Melvin…
My, my, my. I feel your pain. Actually, I “felt” your pain when I had my OWN case of shingles over a decade ago. I still cringe when I think of how PAINFUL it was. I didn’t have the benefits of antiviral medications either…(boo hoo). I did use natural remedies, especially Tea Tree Oil (as mentioned), attempting to ‘dry’ up the spots…
SO STOP YOUR WHINING and sow your best seed NOW into MY ministry. That’s the only ‘cure’ for sinners like yourself who bring on The Devil’s Rash!!
You must repent. Shingles is the bane of heresy hunters (I am the only exception to my rule).
Each one of those excruitiatingly painful blisters marks the spot of your past criticisms.
Out damned spots! Out, I say.
Now, send me your next paycheck and we’ll call it even.
Seriously, mine lasted for over 6 weeks. I pray yours don’t, but they will if you don’t send me that ‘uncommon seed’ of $1,000 (thank you, Rod Parsley, for the suggested amount. It’s pocket-change to Melvin, the mega-blogger that he is.)
As ever, sack cloths and ashes for you…
L
MN,
I guess you need to mention that your shingles were “predestined” and that you’re one of the “shinglelect” because you’re not getting nearly the comments about your…uh…condition, that you would get on a “sovereignty” post.
Brother Melvin,
It occured to me today, while pondering your pitiful plight to cast off the Devil’s Rash, that this may indeed be a physical manifestation of God’s annointing on you!
Consider what it did for Dr. Nasir Siddiki, who was “miraculously healed” from “the worst case of shingles ever admitted to Toronto General Hospital”.
Dr. Nasir K. Siddiki
This could happen to you, too!
I think you’ve found your true calling. Forget that “new job”. You have real work to do!
(MN: THAT’S who that guy is. I’ve seen him on TBN during some of the beg-a-thons. He has one of the smoothest presentations I have seen in ages. I love watching him work the crowd and twist the gospel. I have to admit he is a pleasure to watch [it's always great watching a pro at work and he is truly a pro at shearing the sheeple.]
And you’re right. I’ll put Boom Boom Parker to work on working up an outline of a story and flesh it out over the next couple of weeks. You might want to send in a little seed money so we can get things going. We’re going to need some pretty good make-up artists and Photo Shop experts. And those people don’t come cheap. )
Oh, Benevolent One, I hope you will feel better very soon. My boss had shingles a couple of years ago and it was nothing nice. I am praying for you and your wife’s healing. Bells may not ring and angels may not sing, but I know the LORD still hears and answers prayer. Thank you for reminding me to patient and faithful, even in your suffering. I needed to see that modeled. I have not seen it in a long time.
I pray for your health MJ. You are a good dude and I appreciate your sincere efforts over the past 4 years.
Brother Mel
I’ve been peeping out pp from afar of late my schedule doesn’t allow me much time to surf the web. I’m glad to see your still representing the Lord with sound doctrine. Sorry to hear about your shingles I’ve had many pts with that and as you know it hits harder than John Hagee’s lips on a pork chop.
I will be praying for you and yours. Let me know if you ever make it out here to Hawaii.
Goodness gracious sakes alive!!! Here I was quietly and intently reading, when all of a sudden my eyes hit the part where John Hagee’s lips hit the pork chop and it forced a laugh outta me so loud it was fixin to blast the paint off the walls!! It was quite unexpected, mind you and totally surprized and shocked me, but worked wonders like a medicine! Thank you JCrep32 for yanking such an emotional response outta me like that … it was much needed!
My prayer for you brother is that God will use this painful time to not only draw you closer to Him than ever, but also to accomplish things that could not have happened otherwise.
And that this could be as brief a time as possible!
First off, hope your getting better my brother…Shingles sound like a thorn in the flesh if I’ve ever heard of one.
I once had a torn ligament in my finger. When I was in church, I had people telling me not to claim the injury but since I was healed by His stripes, I should just take off my medically prescribed brace…lol
The funniest part was that all the while, they were popping their high blood pressure pills like they were skittles…LOL
Feel better my brother, to God be the Glory.
The blind leading the blind…….woooooow.
Rick, please take time to study the purpose of miracles. Notice kind sir that a LIMITED number of CHRISTIANS did. Those who Jesus laid His hands on and personally represented Him, and those personal representatives who laid hands on the 7 men to help serve tables.
Brother Mel- Be strong in the Lord and the power of His might.
Healing is availble to all believers. We have been given authority over sickness, poverty, etc.
The words of our mouth either bind us or loose us.
For example, if a person is sick and professing that they are going to remain sick they will remain sick. If a person acknowledging he/she is sick, but confesses the word of God over his/her body they will have healing.
Working of miracles are for nonbelievers not believers. They are one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit used to minister to nonbelievers. We, as believers, don’t need miracles we need faith.
Rickey,
Man oh man….I can’t just let this one go…it’s too much..
Pray tell, what do you have (scripture wise) to back up that amazing claim?
And of course…abide by the groundrules…don’t just “proof text” it…exegete it.
You must be kidding right?
Please; let us in on this little secret…
I Peter 2:24; Galatians 3:13; Deuteronomy 28; Isaiah 53:5; Exodus 15:26; Matthew 8:17
Christ has redeemed US from the curse of the law…sickness, poverty, and spiritual death.
Every believer has the blood bought right to be healed. God is no respector of persons.
(MN: Rickey has committed the ultimate sin of mindless proof texting and mindless repetition. Rickey, there fore, has posted his last set of comments on this particular thread.
See ya, Rickey. )
Melvin,
I was wrong in my observation in the first few comments…evidently your shingles are just as popular as God’s foreknowledge!
Now THAT’S something to boast about!
Boy! How did I miss all of the great comments by Rickey? Maybe they posted out of order?
Where to begin…
I’ll let Scripture answer that one:
These verses would seem to disagree with you.
Next:
Rickey; you DO know that words function inside sentences right?
You DO know that word etemology is NOT the way to find a word’s meaning right? Context is king right?
After all δυναμόω can mean “official” also…as in a governmental official.
Are you saying that God is just a government official.
Context.
What do the verses I supplied above paint a picture of:
1.) A god who cannot do anything without our permission; who is timid and impotent and not able to “override a person’s will”?
2.) The supreme ruler of creation; able to do whatever he wants, get’s whatever he wants, and no one can override him.
Which do they describe?
This is not just limited to humans but animals also:
Really Rickey, the evidence is overwhelming; God is in control of every minute atom in the universe and nothing in creation even continues to exist except that He decrees it to be so…
Jonathan Edwards said that God “recreates creation” every millisecond of every day…
The god you describe vs the God of the bible…
I’ll take the God of the bible every time….He’s worth worshiping!
Again, God’s sovereignty does not override a person’s will.
Jesus said it best in Matthew 26:39, “…nevertheless not as I will, but as You will.”
(MN: So let’s see - - Jesus is God and the Father is God. God can’t tell God what to do and God can tell God what He won’t do. Yeah, I guess that particular verse really proves your point. )
Jesus had to submit His will to the will of the Father. He, Jesus, had to line His own will up with the Father’s.
(MN: How about He wanted to. Which is the majority of the issue anyway. )
God didn’t force you to make Jesus the Lord of your life. Daily you have to choose to submit your will to His.
Is God in control of Satan’s will. No. Satan, himself, goes to and seeking whom he(satan himself) may devour.( 1st Peter 5:8)
He can only devour those who allow him.
The Bible says, “Thou shall not kill”…correct?
Well go get a gun and shoot yourself.
Although God doesn’t want you to He cannot override your will to do so.
(MN: Folks, anyone want to make book on this guy’s view of Jesus Christ?
Rickey, is God trinitarian in nature? Or does God appear as the Father in creation, the Son in salvation, and the Holy Spirit in sanctification?
Ladies and gentlemen, I’m betting Rickey is going to answer “yes” this question. )
Yes…God is 3-in-1. Genesis 1:26 & 1John 5:7…
While Jesus was on earth the Father still remained in Heaven.
Quote:
That might be the most twisted thing that I’ve ever read. Congrats.
If 1 Peter 2:24 is a promise of physical healing, why didn’t Paul tell Timothy that instead of prescribing wine for his “often infirmities”??
Why didn’t Paul tell it to the Corinthians who were weak, sickly, and dying because they refused to discern the Body of Christ in the Lord’s Supper??
In fact, how come a direct guarantee between Christ’s Passion and physical healing is never made in either the narrative or didactic portions of the New Testament??
Yes, healing IS in the Atonement, but we have no promise that physical healing is guaranteed until this mortal has put on immortality. Not a single time in the Epistles are we told to “claim” our physical healing because Jesus freed us from all sickness here.
BTW Ricky………Jesus’ prayer that “They will be done on earth as it is in heaven” CANNOT in ANY MANNER be twisted to refer to God asking our permission to do His will. (MN: GaryV, Rickey CAN twist it to make it say that…or anything else he wants it to say. Remember, he’s constrained by his bad doctrine, not the context of Scriptures. Will you never never learn. )
WHERE do you get that?? WHERE is man’s will even ADDRESSED in there??
No, Rick, HOW is God’s will done in heaven?? GLADLY………JOYOUSLY……..without reservation…..without resistance.
How is God’s will done on earth?? Grudgingly. With murmuring. with resistance.
Jesus is praying that God’s will no longer be done this way on earth, but the way it’s done in heaven.
Again, man’s will isn’t even MENTIONED in this passage.
Rickey,
You are like the baskets of fish that Jesus multiplied; just when I thought I’d carefully read your posts and caught all of the cockamamie things you’ve said, you come up with another one!
Where in the world did you get that? You must be smarter than Job OR his wife…
Job:
Job’s wife:
I’m siding with scripture on this one too…
(MN: Robert, you better be careful. You are talking to a star student of the Apostle Frederick K. Price. In the book “How Faith Works” Freddy (who has shredded more people’s faith than Freddy Kreuger has shredded throats) clearly says that Job’s words (”That which I have feared”) is what caused all the bad things to happen to Job. Ken Copeland says the same thing. It has nothing to do with all the Bible says was going on behind the scenes - you know, that discussion between God and Satan, and the rest of that foolishness. Robert, you have got to get with it. )
Also look at the covenant that Job was under. We are not under the same covenant. We are under the covenant sealed by the blood of Jesus which includes healing. God cannot put sickness on a person. If He did He would be contradicting His own word.
Why knock the fact that God has promised healing to those who believe? Why knock the finished works of Jesus?
When you say that God put sickness on a person or that it was God’s will for a person to be sick you are literally cursing Jesus and what He did on the cross.
Why focus on a covenant that has nothing to do with you…the Old Covenant?
In the New Covenant we are promised healing…(1Peter 2:24)
In the Gospels there are many examples of healing. (MN: You do understand that if you are going to talk covenants, the Gospels are all under the old covenant, right? Maybe you want to rethink your position. )
Rethink your position…1Peter 2:24 is under the New Covenant.
(MN: But the healings in the Gospels are not. )
To flesh out what Mel is saying, I ask you a question, Ricky.
When does a will come into effect? While the testator is still breathing or when he assumes room temperature (also referred to as dying)? Answer that in reference to the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31 and maybe you might begin to see the problem with your system of thought…
(MN: I had to end it with Rickey. His comments are totally repetitive. If he wants to continue the discussion with you, send me your e-mail address and I will forward his address to you. )
I am a little late to this particular party, but did not God put sickness on Paul? And He did not do it to chastise him, but to keep him from becoming conceited. I would think that if SOMEONE were able to speak healing to themself it would be probably histories greatest Christian missionary…no?
(MN: Ladies and gentlemen, I hope you don’t think I’m halt between two positions. Yes, I said Rickey was banned. But reading his stuff is like watching a really bad accident. You know it’s going to be awful, but you just can’t look away. Rickey is proving to be such a rich and obvious illustration of how not to prooftext and of the need to understand what Scripture is actually saying. )
Galatians 3:13 is another example.
The curse of the law can be found in Deuteronomy 28.
Hebrews 13:8 shows that Jesus never changes. Therefore since He healed all who would believe during His earthly ministry then healing is available to every believer now.
(MN: Jesus never changes. Let’s see. The Word was with God (and He was a spirit). He was born as an infant, flesh and blood (a change). He grew (changed) into an adult of flesh and blood. He died (a big change) as a man of flesh and blood. He took on a resurrected body (another change). For someone who doesn’t change, Jesus sure did change a lot. Oh wait - maybe the change the writer of Hebrews is talking about doesn’t deal with different ways of doing thigs. Maybe it’s talking about His character, His attributes. You may want to rethink the “He’s the same yesterday, today, and forever. )
Acts 10:38 says that Jesus went about doing good and healing ALL who were oppressed of the devil….
Since Jesus is the same now as He was then then He is still in the healing business.
The healings He did through out the Gospels are examples/proof of what He is willing to do for those who would believe Him. Believe Jesus according to the word of God.
You still haven’t looked at my question, Rickey? Here it is again to refresh your memory:
When does a will come into effect? While the testator is still breathing or when he assumes room temperature (also referred to as dying)? Answer that in reference to the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31 and maybe you might begin to see the problem with your system of thought…
I know! I know! I said I wasn’t going to respond to Rickey anymore! Rickey’s comments have moved from ridiculous to pathetic! So Rick, the Old Covenant has NOTHING to do with us? Am I to assume that you are exempted from the Ten Commandments? Using your logic I guess you could go out and rob a bank,perhaps? Remember that the Ten Commandments were given to Moses where? That’s right! In Exodus! Where is Exodus? That’s right! in the O.T.! I once heard a saying, the Old Testament is the New Testament concealed,the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed. Melvin I think ‘ol Rick’s train has done derailed!
Ex-WoFer,
This is what happens when you fail to see any continuity between the covenants of God. God isn’t changing up his mind every 1000 years or so - we have a progressive revelation of God’s plan throughout history.
Rickey, I recommend you pick my man O. Palmer Robertson’s Christ of the Covenants and quit this nonsense of dividing up what God ain’t divided up.
Mel,
If he’s referring to Job 3:18 then he’s off his rocker!
That phrase comes in the middle of Job’s “wish to die” and his lamenting his situation.
Not only that; the sentence
begins with a conjunction “ki” a “marker of causation” or reason…Job is connecting this sentence with the previous ones! Not only is the subject matter not what our friend Rickey assumes, but this phrase just cannot be twisted into service that way…
How a person can isolate this phrase and build a whole “healing” theology around it is just lunacy!
(MN: With all due respect Robert, lunacy is continuing to expect a critical thought process from these guys. They know what they believe - Copeland has told them over and over. There is no point in confusing these poor fellows with the facts. )
MN…
Do you mean it’s come down to this?…
Ok…
Here we go….
“I speak intelligence into your brain!! Come out oh demon of stupidity! Claim your healing!! Hallelujah!”
Ok…I’m waiting
And now we wait for the results.
Melvin and Robert……….I’m surprised at you both. You know you can’t get no kinda deliverance unless you bring de Mand-O-Gawd a gift.
Someone mentioned that your shingles sounds like a ‘thorn in the flesh’ a la Paul…..do you agree with that Melvin?
(MN: Sure. I can go with that. )
So now that the shingles are gone, thanks at least in part to modern medicine……..do you still agree that this was a “thorn in the flesh” a la Paul? and why?
(MN: Did God bring the shingles into my life to humble me? I’d like to think not. )
I hope you’re feeling better Melvin! My mother had shingles and I could see that it was a horrible experience to say the least.
What do you mean you’re not “speaking those things that are not as though they were - shandomuhhonda”!
Seriously though, isn’t is a wonderful thing that our Lord is sovereign and omnipotent? Let’s thank Him that His grace is sufficient.
Saints,
Thanks again for your prayers and comments. The malady is healing up nicely. The rash (that seems like something of misnomer for shingles) has dried up and has scabbed over.
I did, however, make the mistake of pulling one of the scabs off. It was a mistake I won’t repeat.
Aside from a mild itch I am pretty much symptom free. It’s good to have shingles in the past.
And may God never make me one of the Shinglelect again.
(Yes, that was as bad as when Robert mentioned it the first time)
Give thanks that the Lord has delivered you. After your initial post on shingles, i did happen to look it up and I didn’t know it was so serious. I’m sure now that you are healed, you will get Rickey’s acceptance as a true saint.
(MN: It’s definitely serious. Though I could milk it for a lot of pity, mine was actually relatively minor. It was a small patch on my back [near my spine, or course], and it only lasted about two weeks. The pain, though significant, wasn’t too distracting. I worried more about the fact that I was infectious [I really didn't want my wife to contract it] than anything else. All in all, I think I escaped with a rather light case of the scourge. )
Righter is glad that Melvin is feeling better-:-)
(MN: So is Melvin! )
Righter smiles-:-)
You agree with Righter and you are also glad that Mel Man is feeling better (2nd person point of view
)
Righter smiles again-:-)
Shingles huh? Yeah, you must have REALLY done something Jeebus thinks needs correcting.
He also probably wants you to slow down (in a VERY PAINFUL way) to think about some aspects of your life.
Or it could even be this:
“Shingles is a skin rash caused by the same virus that causes chickenpox.
This virus is called the Varicella zoster virus (VZV) and is in the Herpes family of viruses.
After an individual has chickenpox, this virus lives in the nervous system and is never fully cleared from the body.
Under certain circumstances, such as emotional stress, immune deficiency (from AIDS or chemotherapy), or with cancer, the virus reactivates and causes shingles.
In most cases of shingles, however, a cause for the reactivation of the virus is never found (See Jeebus).
Anyone who has ever had chickenpox is at risk for the development of shingles, although it occurs most commonly in people over the age of 60. It has been estimated that up to 1,000,000 cases of shingles occur each year in the U.S.”
http://www.medicinenet.com/shingles/article.htm
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Man, I’ll bet you wish Jeebus didn’t “love” you so much that he’d (give/let you get) shingles to prove it.
(Why can’t Jeebus EVER find a non-anguishing way to “love”us?
(MN: Maybe I’m just a little slow, being one of those followers of Jeebus, but I do believe I and others making comments that Shingles is exactly as you described it. The rest of your comment is somewhat indecipherable. )
Righter is a lil slower than Melvin because she’s confused too by this post
Mel,
I THINK what the poster is trying to say is that because science can explain HOW something works (shingles) then there must not be a God behind it.
God cannot USE MEANS TO ACCOMPLISH HIS ENDS.
As we learn HOW things work, we eliminate God each time because all those superstitious cretins who wrote the bible weren’t nearly as smart as modern scientists.
Yeah right….did I accurately state what you were getting at?
Written by MELVIN:
“I got Shingles. For those of you who don’t know what it is, think of it as a second helping of Chicken Pox, a very painful second helping of Chicken Pox, emphasizing the “pox” part. I can tell you from personal experience when someone declares a pox upon you and your family, he means for you to be hurting.
But even with this, I have to say that all comes from the hand of God, either for correction, for training, or for strengthening. ”
ME:
“Man, I’ll bet you wish Jeebus didn’t “love” you so much that he’d (give/let you get) shingles to prove it.
(Why can’t Jeebus EVER find a non-anguishing way to “love”us?”
That’s just it. You ARE confused. And if I have to explain this, there is no point in “explaining it, because you’ll never “get it”.
(Until you break free).
(MN: I guess the reason I was confused is Jesus certainly has non-anguishing ways to love us - and the unsaved as well. Every breath you draw is evidence of His love [or at least His patience]. WIth respect to lousy things happening to us, it is, as Robert noted, the means He uses to work perseverance, patience, and a host of other things in our lives. Those anguishing things also give us the experience and ability to help others in the same circumstance.
But if being loved by Jeebus is something I need to break free of, I will, as the writer says in Romans 6, remain a slave to righteousness. )
Hello, Benevolent Dictator:
I have to applaud you, brother. You are handling our newest Internet Tough Guy, Yeah Right, with the love of Jesus.
I am praying that your buddy, Yeah Right will change his tune—and repent of his sins—before he gets his shot before the Great White Throne.
Regards,
Peter.
yeah right…
Are you telling me that I was wrong about what you were getting at??
Darn…I thought I had it.