2 John 1:9-11 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

How can we do what the scriptures says without judging or discerning?

Here is what scripture says NOT to judge:
We don’t judge the person Romans 14:10
We don’t judge by appearance John 7:24, Isaiah 11:1-3
We don’t judge their motives Isaiah 11:1-3
We don’t judge from our opinions John 12:47-48 We don’t judge those outside the church. 1 Corinthians 5:9-13

We DO judge their FRUIT Matthew 7:15-23. Fruit does not mean how many people attend their church, how much money they can bring in (steal), how many times they are on TV. It means, Do they stick to the Word of God at all times? Do they deliver the message of repentance and Christ only as our Savior? Do they confront the evil in this world with the truth? When is the last time you have heard a message from either of these people on sin, repentance and the Grace of God.

Some of this content comes from a class that is going on at our church right now on discernment. The leadership of the church realized too many people did not realize it is commanded of God to discern/judge those who say they speak in His name. Some were even falling to some of these false teachers.

Rw, I pray that you will study what the word says on judging the spirits and what our responsebility is to sound the warning.

God Bless.

The sheeple NEVER use scripture. If they do it’s the usual misquoted drivel to justify the Pocket Picking Pimps.

Wait! PocketPickingPimps.org

I think I just may have created your sister site. Hmmmm! Let me see if it’s available.

Kyle

for these people to come from behind their pulpits and hit the streets is wonderful . and if bishop jakes was here you know what he would say? “God prepareth a place for me in the precense of my enemies, keep on talkin!” lol

(MN: The only trouble, rw, is that when they were in the presence of what I assume is their enemies, THEY NEVER MENTIONED GOD. When Doctor Phil says you’re wired to be homosexual, T. Dexter doesn’t say anything. )

these people know that they have critics. they know critics are good. it enhances your daily self examination process. you do have one of those don’t you? lol
i mean come on saints we don’t sit and judge and criticize, hop from one vicious circle of imperfect people (let us tell it) and expose their nakedness without sitting under God’s microscope so that we can be told what needs to be fixed in us. do we? of course not!

(MN: rw, what you just said makes little or no sense. Please try again. )

“I made this posting before. However, there is a difference this time around. If you click on the book’s image, the link will take you to the book on Amazon.com. In other words, if you are interested in the book, you can buy it, easily and effortlessly. And if you buy it through this site, I will get a bit of a small commission. That commission will either begin help pay for the site or help pay for my new SR22, which ever comes first. The SR22 is only $250K, standard.”

Are you serious, NOT YOU! You must have a little pimp in you too. Don’t by the books people, Melvin is a pimp, he is just trying to get his 20cent commission to go toward the upbuilding of his stupid self-serving, character defaming website. BEWARE of the disgruntled pimp!!!

(MN: Eddie G, you’re wrong. I’m not trying to get the twenty cents to go toward my stupid self-serving , character defaming website. I’m trying to raise money for to get me a fully pimped SR22. The price of the plane is approximately $450,000. And I want to take delivery of the aircraft in a debt free position. If you want to contribute some money, send it to:

But remember: In God we trust. All others pay with cash, certified check, or money order. )

I couldn’t let that one slide. So long, that was the last of my wasted moments.

Truth is, Hilliard is a good guy, you are wrong about him and the fact that you don’t know any of these people personally nor have you sat down to talk with them, is reason enough for you to keep their names and faces off of this site. Your issue is with John Jenkins, deal with him, leave everyone else alone.

(MN: I used to attend FBCG(otK). And the first time I heard of Donnie H. was there. During that time, John K. Jenkins had Donnie H. in as a speaker and as a revival leader. They were friends. Since I left, he appeared in the same capacity. At the grand opening of the Mausoleum, Museum and Memorial (that $55 million dollar building John had built) Donnie H. attended and left what, according to John, was a hefty check. You can hear the exchange on the Wednesday night celebration. The date is September 23, 2007, the evening worship. Donnie H. was there and said wonderful things about John K. Jenkins. Oh, and I did sit down with John on several occasions. And each time he used the worthless say “We just interpret it differently. And I’ve been pastoring for twenty five years.

But again, the only things I put out here about the pimps is the stuff they teach and the things they do. By the way, you still haven’t addressed the issue of Donnie H. becoming an EXECUTIVE life coach, selling tickets at $175 a pop and hawking his paintings at the events. What about what I have said is wrong? )

Unfortunately, you have me mistaken, my church doesn’t breed a bunch of Sunday only saints. That’s the problem you run into when you generalize everyone with a large church because your little feelings were hurt by John Jenkins. I am so sorry he hurt you little buddy.

(MN: And I’m sorry you still don’t get it “little buddy.” It’s not safe to generalize absolutely since there are exceptions to every rule. But I do not believe I have been inaccurate in my estimation of the general spiritual life of the members of large churches of the ilk of FBCG, the Ecumenical Cathedral and Club New Birth. The fact that your pastor has a close tie with John and other like him says a lot about Donnie H. )

I hope it doesn’t take your wife another three years to decide to submit to the head of her household. (MN: Me too. But if it does, then such is the will of God. ) All your bible study and devotion time with her and John Jenkins teaching still has a stronger grip on her than you do. It’s sad that your house is divided like that. (MN: It’s even sadder that John has made it clear that he is more interested in a personal apology than the unity of my household. ) How can she be so committed to a person and an institution you hate so much? Interesting. (MN: I think it’s quite interesting as well. But primarily I see it as an opportunity for me to learn to deal with her as the weaker vessel [take a look at some of the previous comments], and for me to grow in understanding. As I have said often in previous postings, originally, as I was growing, I washed her with the water of the Word. Unfortunately it was a high pressure hose. We are now recovering from that huge mistake on my part. But of course, you would know this if you had read previous posting and not simply make assumptions and try to take little digs - while sounding pious. )

Thank you for your prayers! I appreciate them. Hey, don’t discredit the prayers of the Donnie H. saints, perhaps they will be valuable since your prayers have you on a three year waiting list for your wife to agree with you. (MN: Abraham waited twenty-five. No one ever responded to Jeremiah. And God never gave Paul what he was asking for. I am, it would appear, in very good company. Besides, surely you don’t believe the time frame of answer to prayers has anything to do with the effectualness of the prayers. I trust you understand that prayers are answered as they conform to the will of God. )

Perhaps that is something for you to examine as well. your wife wasn’t even in agreement with what you had done. I guess if I was standing out there on a limb and not even my wife was with me, I would be bitter too.

(MN: I’m not bitter. And I wasn’t standing on a limb. I AM, however, standing on the Rock. Consider Luke 14:24 - 26

So what are you doing to wash your wife in the water of the Word? Or do you just go with her to church service every Sunday and turn to your neighbor and say [fill in the blank]? Instead of that, I am selecting Bible verses - the two I just quoted for instance - for us to memorize together after we go over the meaning, implications, and applications of the verses.. And she is doing an incredible job of it. She even beat me getting one memorized. )

Thank God for the marriage counseling I got from the counseling center at Donnie H’s “Church of more power and money” I learned that a house divided can’t stand.

(MN: And I thank God for the counseling I got at the hand of John Jenkins and the other counselors there as well. It gave me great insight into who these people are. I learned from the Bible that the house must be built on a solid foundation since a house built on false doctrine can’t stand. And if I do my job right, with God’s blessing she will see people like John and Donnie H as mere spewers of religious cotton candy. )

I will pray healing for your marriage too. In fact, I will submit a prayer request on our website for you.

(MN: My wife and I will pray for you since we don’t need someone to pray for someone for us and are quite capable of doing so ourselves. )

I am not trying to cover John Jenkins, I have never met him nor have I ever heard him preach. (MN: Then I suggest you listen to him before you try to psycho analyze me. Perhaps there is a basis for the things I say. ) In fact all that I know of his church, I read on this website. I am simply saying that I hope the Lord would heal YOU and that you would have peace. That didn’t have anything to do with Bishop Jakes, John Jenkins or anyone else. (MN: I have peace. Being obedient to Christ tends to bring peace. You seem to think that speaking out against something means a person doesn’t have peace. I’m not sure where you got that idea from. And if you’ll remember, his association with Jakes is one of the reasons I left. )

LOL…I have to ask, have you ever wacked your little toe? When you did, was that John Jenkins fault too? (MN: Yes. He was hiding in my closet and turned the light off, making me bump my toe on my furniture. HAven’t I blamed him for everything? ) Perhaps you are the one that should stop with the emotional attempts to use Jenkins as a smoke screen for your own issues. (MN: What issues am I smokescreening? )

(MN:By the way, if you are going to comment, please put a tag in the “Name” block. That way I differentiate you from all the other nameless anonymii. )

I do pray God’s peace for you and that wherever and however you were wounded by Pastor Jenkins or the First Baptist Church, the Lord would begin to heal you completely.

(MN: Since you bring it up, I now have the opportunity to review the occurences. They are as follows:

The bottom line: I am not in need of healing. However, John K. Jenkins is in need of repentance. )

Church hurt is deep, which is apparent by the vigor with which you go after him and those connected to him. May the peace of God be yours, may joy, wholeness and everything you are in need of be extended to you through the grace and mercy of God.

(MN: Again, address the issues. Does he associate with oneness people and bring them into preach? Does he associate with WoF folks and bring them in to preach? Does he preach that you can’t teach yourself about the Bible?

Please stop with the emotional attempts at covering his behavior and abberant teachings. )

Farewell…

By the way, why is it that so many pimp defenders hide behind the name “Anonymous?” … it’s not like anyone would know who you are any more than you know who I am with a name like BooBoo’s Dad!!!! The Lord doesn’t give you a “spirit of fear” … so why are you afraid???

Maybe you do not realize it but we are in a battle. Not only are we called to be children of God, but also to be soliders of God. We are to fight the advances of satan and help people to see their sin, repent, and accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior (the GOSPEL). Anytime someone trys to add to the Gospel we should point it out and warn people against it.

There is the idea out there that to love each other in the church we are to never point out errors. I have grown in my years as a Christain, because people were willing to talk to me about errors I was making. Studying God’s word has been critical in keeping me on track. So, why does it cause discord to point out men and women who have built churches on false teachings and are leading people down the wide path?

Bottom line is, when it is all said and done, if these preachers are wrong, they will have to answer to God. you will also have to answer to God for the discord you have planted concerning them.

(MN: But if they are wrong, should we warn people to be stay away from these people? Or are you saying we should have unity even at the cost of the truth? )

Remember these verses when you measure success from the number of people:

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.” Matthew 7:13-14

I do not think that large numbers of people automatically quailify a ministery as being from God. By the way these verses appear right before Jesus warns of false teachers. Many will be mislead in the end and these false teachers are taking them there.

I am certainly nowhere near taking the stance of a kicked puppy, just simply trying to see what your goal is and where it fits into God’s agenda. The agenda you claim to have the greatest understanding of.

(MN: I’m sorry - where have I claimed to have such a great knowledge of God’s agenda. As far as what I hope to accomplish, take a look at the “Why This Site” link. Oh, and the number of people who turn from the pimps is not my business. My “job” is to warn them, and you, and thus remove your excuse for staying with the pimps. )

(MN: Welcome Donnie’s son/daughter. Glad to have you here. )

I am saddened that you have nothing better to do with your life and gifting than to create discord and defile the names and reputations of other people. (MN: I don’t defile the reputations of other people. I quote their public words for all to see. If their public words are defiling, why in the world are they saying them? And why in the world are you defending them?) Since you have such malice toward Christian leaders, what is your take on discord among Christians at large?

(MN: First, a correction. I don’t have malice toward Christian leaders. I have malice toward Christian leaders who pimp the sheeple. I have no idea what your question means. Are you asking me to give you my opinion of why there is discord among those who name the name of Christ? )

Do you feel that your name slinging is serving the purpose of God in the earth? If so, more power to you, if you feel that you are impacting the world and you can sleep at night, that’s great. (MN: What, exactly, is name slinging? Is that similar to mud slinging? )

Just remember that while you are dragging people’s names through the mud on the internet, they have families, children, and even “Sheeple” who love them. (MN: Yes. And it’s those sheeple we are trying to warn about them. ) How would you feel if your children were exposed to your face on some stupid website led by a very opinionated person who is probably just angry that their passion in life yielded them minimal success and for that reason, their envy for those who have happiness keep them swaddling in misery?

(MN: I’d feel fine about it. My children would be able and willing to defend my actions, my behavior and my conclusions. How about you? Do you want to defend the folks your dad hangs with? Or how about the deal with charging folks $175 for so-called mentoring? Does it bother you that he associates on such a close basis with John K. Jenkins, the pastor of First Baptist Church of Glenarden on the Kettering? Or are you going to play the kicked puppy who can only respond emotionally? I suspect, from the tone of your comment, it will be the latter. )

Have you ever read his bio? This is BIG PIMPIN.

http://www.cephas-library.com/evangelists/evangelist_morris_cerullo_fraud.html

Kyle

You think that is bad. Have you heard what Morris Cerullo ( You know, the guy with the black shoe polish on his hair) is barfing up during these hard finacial times? Apparently Morris has proclaimed 2008 the year of breakthrough during these hard financial times.

Check it out.

https://www.helplinetv.com/offers/product.php?productid=70&cat=0&page=1&featured

Kyle

Fishermen. A tax collector. A political revolutionary. All led by a carpenter.

Hey, by any chance did the same guy who told you they were well off tell you that you were a god too??